The Buddies close out Brandon Sanderson’s epic Mistborn trilogy with book three: The Hero of Ages. It just felt right being back in the Mistborn world and revisiting old friends Vin, Elend, Sazed, TenSoon, and (our favorite) Spook. The Buddies got into deep conversations about the book and the ending of the series, as well as deeper more meaningful conversations about life in general. They discussed topics like if it’s normal to drink milk regularly, clothing metaphors, and why dictators can be good sometimes. So stock up on your metals, read up on your political theory, and join us as we burn through the final Mistborn chapter.

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 Love/Hate (28:24-39:15)
 Conclusion (39:16-43:31)

 Next Book: WRONG PLACE WRONG TIME by GILLIAN McALLISTER

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here with the cold loss of clout Keith what’s up buddy the podcast of the ages right here buddy book club nice did you write that one down I did but I just switched it there’s no gun at the podcast of Ages is it Hero Of Ages yeah it’s here of Ages uh I always thought there was a that well here’s the Buddy Buckle we’re breaking down some best sellers and this week we’ll be discussing the hero of Ages I actually have thought written down the hero of Ages the third installment of the mistborn trilogy by Brandon Sanderson this is like mistborn Trilogy one there’s mistborn trilogy two there’s another book that’s kind of like started a different Trilogy and then he plans to have a mistborn Space Opera where you spend the amount of time building this world you might as well suck at dry for everything possible but yeah we’ll be discussing Hero Of Ages if you’d like to recommend a book for us to read or make fun of us for where we put those or reach out to us about any past episodes you can visit our website buddybookclub.com or sign into our DMS on Twitter or Instagram buddy book club podcast you can listen to wherever you get your podcast so please download And subscribe Keith this is the first Trilogy we finished we’re like the opposite of George RR Martin now what’s the other guy that uh refuses to finish the guy that wrote the both Patrick rothfuss Yeah Brandon’s Anderson is the anti-epic fantasy writer he’s just like I’m gonna crush it in three years and I’m gonna write it longer than anyone else writes it it’s like insane yeah you couldn’t read his books fast enough before the next one comes out it’s like he just can’t do it yeah that’s exactly right I remember when I read Game of Thrones and I was like oh my God this is incredible I gotta I gotta catch up so I can like get to the ones as they come out and this is before the TV show and the TV show was coming I was like oh this would be sweet like I’ll kind of be able to watch the TV show and then read the fifth one like as it’s happening and right everything just blew up in my face everything just blew up in my face but we are not here to talk about Game of Thrones we’re here to talk about the hero of Ages Brandon Sanderson we got Vin we got Ellen back like we got to say is it you know what what else do you really need oh we need spook that’s what we need and we’re gonna we get a lot of spook in this one all right well let’s get into a keyboard here for stock up for the hero of Ages stock up Lord roller All Things Considered he kind of turned out to be not that bad of a guy right like he kind of he was creating these storage caches where like he was writing down all the stuff he knew providing food and water for everyone kind of the right side of history when you look back at things I was trying to think is there any villain that you like think is the worst of all time and then by the end of the book or the end of the movie you’re like I guess that guy wasn’t that bad I’m thinking like Darth Vader kind of even though I still think his character was pretty terrible and so is the Lord rulers but I think the Lord ruler is better than Darth Vader in my mind Vader kind of had a are coming to Jesus moment at the end he was a horrible person and murderer before that we could say Professor Snape you know Severus was never bad though right he was probably bad when he was a Death Eater you know but he was kind of like uh just kind of really into death metal and got in with the wrong I just like got into the wrong crowd and then yeah yeah and then it was like a spy yeah but maybe somebody that we thought was terrible throughout the whole thing and it turns out you know he wasn’t at all but yeah no I can’t think of anyone that’s done that kind of like uh opposite of a heel turn whatever that is yeah he’s not like he’s a good guy but at the end of the day you’re like all right I get that guy’s point of view he’s not the worst you know it was funny that you said that because my first stock up was dictators in general because that’s a better one in mine yeah so well I had actually had the Lord ruler and then moved it over to dictators but yeah because sometimes it works it’s not it’s not often but sometimes it works and it usually doesn’t work in the sense that they’re murdering tons and tons of people to save a bunch of others I mean so he got the powers at The Well of Ascension and then he started to try to fix things but he like didn’t realize how exact everything to be like he legitimately pulled the planet like too far away from the Sun and then from there he was just trying to make up for all of the issues that then arose it’s like oh [ __ ] we’re like too close to the Sun so we gotta like start blotting out the sky or else we’re all gonna die and then it’s like [ __ ] nothing can grow it’s like well we have to make humans able to eat terrible Brown vegetables it’s like all right well whatever we’ll figure that one out he got the raw end of the deal here and he was just trying to figure it out the whole time unfortunately he wasn’t a good communicator because I feel like this could have just been discussed once Vin and calcia were doing their thing he could have just he could have just talked about it you know sit down have a moment say but actually you can’t talk about it because ruin would know so um yeah that was a weird wrinkle that you can’t say or write anything down because ruin will just [ __ ] everything up I mean it makes a lot of sense super frustrating at points reading this book because I was like just talk about it I know you can’t but it’s just so frustrating Vineyard you learn some [ __ ] like anytime anyone would learn something it’s like well I gotta keep this close to my vest and then do like some wink wink nudge nudges what else did you have for uh for stock up stock up Goodwill Hunting the movie yeah so Ellen and then go to the ball and Ellen chats with the ruler of the city but they’re sieging so the obligator Yeoman I think his name is all right Yeoman they basically get into the like you know the discussion of the bar where they’re at the Harvard Bar and uh the one guy trying to like how about that yeah he goes up but he’s like like you’re your first year ruler you just got finished reading the Lord’s rulers history book what are you getting to Pete Garrison probably some some Gordon Wood as he’s basically doing back and forth with them and I was just like is this Goodwill Hunting that Good Will Hunting him right now Captain just arguing about philosophy and like he’s like yeah I read that page that’s thickest page 66 I read that too kid I was like what the hell’s going on here so I just thought that was funny and I was just imagining that the whole time yeah there you go that’s a good one it was two people on par intellectually and just trying to like discuss philosophies of their ideas back and forth all smart folks doing smart people stuff Goodwill Hunting for sure if only he had said how about them apples my next stock up are magic boards like uh the ones where you put your hands on it and you move around and they like choose your letters or whatever what’s that a Ouija board yeah that’s a Ouija board is that magic what is that no it’s like talking with talking with dead people you could talk with vin and Allen at the End of This Book hey is that Magic Spoilers I don’t know no a magic board and I think that’s what they’re called remember when you were we were kids the early 90s and they had those writing things where it was like a stylist and there was like a white background and when you wrote on it it brought up some like metallic stuff and then you would push the lever across and it would erase what you would just oh yeah okay so I pretty sure that that’s metal what they’re using because it’s a magnetic right that’s right yeah it’s a magnet thing so if only these existed in this universe then everyone would be able to talk about whatever they wanted yeah everyone would carry one of these around ruin would have no idea you could just write your notes say hey ATM is ruin’s body let’s get there and destroy it all right cool erase swipey erase thing super easy couldn’t they just use lead paint too like in that metal I think lead paint has like Trace six amounts of number two pencils you ever get stabbed one of those guys those things those things uh they left a mark felt like metal you know what I mean oh yeah oh for sure do they have number one pencils I still never understood why they look and also milk one percent just means it’s one percent fat removed what is it and two percent two percent and then fullest 100 no it was like five percent or four percent or three percent or something like that I don’t really care for the branding also people who drink anything less than whole milk I don’t really understand you well I like drinking milk just to drink it do you drink milk I love milk yeah not chocolate milk just like straight milk have a glass of straight milk there’s nothing better than like a I got a sandwich that came with a cookie and you pouring out yourself a nice cold glass of milk with it like what are we doing here that’s the best thing ever what do you do just eat it like in a neanderthal and just [ __ ] eat it straight no I already wash it down with like water it’s gross like turning that milk into ice cream and I eat it I would have water yeah I don’t eat milk although I did love a good chocolate milk you’re just not experiencing you’re just not experiencing a good time if you don’t like that I don’t know tell you I just think it’s so weird that people drink milk for some reason I don’t know it weird to me it just it’s a it’s an odd thing your bones have you broken one all right damn it because it has a lot of calcium so that’s good right but I also only broke a bone because I punched a refrigerator it’s a long story but they mean like there was no we have time there’s no amount of milk that was gonna save me from that compound fracture that’s for sure I can’t imagine you getting angry is that why you did it was an angry punch I did it in Anger yeah yeah or were you like looking for the milk and you didn’t you forgot the refrigerator door was closed and you punched through it you’re like oh yeah that’s what it was no and and honestly it was uh it was a moment of weakness I was I was attacked I was attacked outside the refrigerator no outside of uh a friend’s apartment and then I was just frustrated that this random person had attacked me and so I punched the refrigerator and I ended up with the guy that attacked you I don’t believe in human human violence I don’t believe in uh attacking appliances but maybe yeah we just have different philosophies I guess also they could have used those um you remember those other pads where you’d like write on it and then peel it up and it would erase you could yeah yeah so either one of those we just need more of those and Vin and Ellen could have been on the same page we could have ended this a long long time ago that’s that’s my opinion yeah uh did you have any other stock UPS last one Monday slow jams stock up I think I’ve talked about this before and slow jams with a z so I ended with a z but avant-gard of you coming off a long weekend you know you got that two-day hangover kicking in you got Sunday and Monday hangover you can’t be playing the d-man country music you can’t be playing good Fields you can’t be drinking a 20 you’re just kind of a little down in the dumps you know you’re having the case of Mondays and you gotta throw in the slow jams that’s just a playlist of like r b hits and some some good feel music where you’re just kind of slow and relaxing and my guy sayazad was just playing these the whole book just a constant repeat because he was in the he was the case of Mondays oh yeah I’m like I need my guy I need my guy says it back he’s the best character like I need him I need back and but he was he was throwing some like air Clapton LP not the jazzed up Eric Clapton but the the downer Clapton I don’t want to say my joke because it’s terrible but Google Eric Clapton and you’ll probably figure out what time of his life was the down time I think everyone’s aware of that that’s not like you’re not revealing any secret uh do you have a specific playlist here that you’re referring to yeah because I’d like to yeah I’d like to follow it yeah you may I had a buddy whose car I was in you know back in the day when you made your own CDs oh of course and he listens to like hardcore rap and all this stuff and then he just had a AC slow jams with a Z on it and I was like what the hell is this we popped it in and it’s all like slow RMB and we made fun of them forever and then I was like secretly I was like yo bro that’s the best list I was so into it after that throw that in your burner and burn me a copy I want you to stop it I had I had one called emo feels and that that’s what probably what seized

Welcome to the Buddy Book Club – we have a light-hearted comedic podcast that covers a variety of books. Mistborn: Well of Ascension by Brandon Sanderson is the second book in the Mistborn series. We typically don’t read books this long or read sequels but the first (which we covered on our podcast in two parts 1 & 2) was just too good. The series currently sits at #2 & #5 in our rankings. You can check out the podcast, on the Well of Ascension here or check out our take on the potential movie adaption.

Our book club questions try to be a little more outside the box/comedic than your typical book club questions – hopefully you enjoy them.

Book Club Questions – Mistborn: Well of Ascension by Brandon Sanderson

-> Who was your favorite character in the second book? Who were your favorite new characters?

For us, it was the same answer for both, Tindwyl is awesome.

-> Who did you have pegged for the spy amongst them?

I for sure thought it was going to be Spook – he seems like the butt of all the jokes in this book and the last.

-> Who are the most underrated characters in this book?

We had the unheralded chemists/metal workers who help Vin discover Duralumin.

-> Why were the Skaa not trained to defend the city?

What exactly are they doing other than hiding in their homes ready to get slaughtered.

-> If you couldn’t be Mistborn, and only could posses one of the powers, which one would you choose?

Liked the idea of Breeze constantly soothing everyone around him, be a great guy to be around, would love to have him at parties making sure everyone was having a good time.

-> What did you think of the Elend’s sudden turn from a guy that preached diplomacy one second to attacking Jastes the next?

Seems like he went 0-100 pretty quickly. He follows that up by next attacking a Koloss.

-> In some ways are humans already Terrisman? 

We “store” knowledge by studying and doing research, we “store” energy by eating right and sleeping well, we strain our body and become weaker by slightly tearing muscles in order to gain strength.

-> As a big fan of Kelsier in the last book, do you think some of the hate that was aimed at him in this book was justified?

The dude died to free the slaves, seems like that should be the focus and not some of his character flaws.

->What did you think of Zane and his relationship with Vin?

Seemed a bit forced, but not surprising that Vin, who fell in love with Elend in 2 seconds, would also fall in love in Zane so quickly.

-> Is TenSoon saying, “You’re too smart to think that” to Vin the best way to win an argument?

Yes, impossible to lose an argument saying this.

->What did you think of the ending? Is Sazed going to turn evil after seeing the love of his life and everything he believes destroyed?

I love Sazed, but it would make for a great villain origin story.

-> Would you recommend this book to a friend?

We like the first one better, thought this could be a bit shorter, but still was a super fun book with a great ending.

-> Who would you cast in a Mistborn movie?

Need some inspiration, we got you covered, check out our Make it a Movie blog.

Did we miss some questions? Reach out to us or check out our podcast.

Welcome to the Buddy Book Club – we have a light-hearted comedic podcast that covers a variety of books. Mistborn: Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson is one of our favorite fantasy novels or really books in general. It currently sits at #2 & #5 in our rankings. Amazing world building, great story and pace make made this book of our favorites. You can check out the podcast, split part 1 & 2 if interested. Or check out our take on the potential movie adaption. 

Our book club questions try to be a little more outside the box/comedic than your typical book club questions – hopefully you enjoy them.

Book Club Questions – Mistborn: Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson

-> Who is your favorite character in the book?

Sazed was ours, someone that doesn’t get a lot of the credit but is crucial in many ways to Kelsier and Vin.

-> If you couldn’t be Mistborn, and only could posses one of the powers, which one would you choose?

I think burning Pewter and getting enhanced physical capabilities would be great when you’re young and being a soother burning brass would be great when you’re older.

-> Mistwraith take the qualities of the things they consume, if you were a Miswraith what or who are you eating to take on the best possible form?

I’m eating a mix of cheetah, The Rock, an owl, and a whale.

-> Is Yeden the real villain in this book?

First he’s hires Kelsier, but basically refuses to get his hands dirty, just complains the whole time, then he takes all of the potential troops and gets them killed. He was worthless.

-> Why haven’t we created trains similar to how Mistborns travel between cities?

I want to see flying trains!

-> Does the Spook and Vin relationship remind you a bit of Forrest Gump and Jenny relationship?

Spook basically is saying this throughout the book.

-> Did Kelsier pull a Bugs Bunny from Space Jam and pump up his guys, but in a negative way?

Instead of beating the Goon Squad after the pump up speech, the fake confidence he instilled led to all the soldiers being slaughtered.

-> How did Marsh kill 7 steel inquisitors so easily?

Marsh just got his powers and was able to seemingly easily take down 7 steel inquisitors (after finding out their secret), how do you think he pulled that off?

-> Kelsier martyring himself the ultimate sacrifice or an egotistical move to become a god?

We were a big fan of Kelsier so we leaned more towards the former, but both cases could be argued.

-> Do you think the new government formation made sense?

I think the nobles shouldn’t have remained in power, they should of had to live as Skaas for a couple of years to understand the plight.

-> Who would you cast in a Mistborn movie?

Need some inspiration, we got you covered, check out our Make it a Movie blog.

Did we miss some questions? Reach out to us or check out our episodes (1 & 2)!

The Buddies take down another Mistborn book as they continue onto book 2 The Well of Ascension by Brandon Sanderson. The Buddies are talking chemistry (actual and romantic), dogs (actual and people), and the medical maladies/misunderstood of Koloss. They sprinkle in some Star Wars, Aladdin, and beach book talk as well. Flare your metals or pull from your metalminds and join us on this ride.

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Love/Hate (36:56-47:41)
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Beach Book Blog (53:16-57:40)
Conclusion (57:41-59:45)

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All right. Welcome to Buddy Book Club. I’m God here with Keith and telling the murder everyone. What’s up, buddy? How are you doing? How are you doing? This is God murder. Everything you have got in your head tips. Just me, I thought I actually do hear God. Well, we have to get into that because I didn’t really understand it. But either way, we’re breaking down the best sellers. And this week we’ll be discussing the well of Ascension, the second book of the Miss Born trilogy. If you’d like to recommend a book for us to read or reach out to us about past episodes, visit our website buddybook.com. Sign to our DMs on Twitter on Instagram buddy. Book Club podcast. You can listen to us on itunes and spotify. So please download and subscribe. Keith well of Ascension. Brandon center. Crazy to think. And I keep forgetting this when we read Miss Born. And then this one that this was like his first book, definitely his first series because he somehow didn’t get this greenlit and got another one greenlit before this. And then this trilogy came out right after. So technically, this is like what he wrote first, but pretty wild to kind of have this giant story in your head. Very Tolkien esque. Although obviously Ll OTR has its own place in my heart. But yeah, phenomenal. So well of Ascension, we’re going to get into it. I think we’ll probably just dive right into it with some stock up. Stock down, right? Yeah, let’s do it live. Well, in that case, let’s jump in with some stock up. What do you have for stock up? First stock up for me is Metalworkers Chemists. Stock up. Okay. So I think this is maybe the most underrated aspect of the whole universe here, of the whole university bills is that the Al Man series and Miss Borns constantly need metals in order to basically do their magic, right? And if they don’t have the perfect metals, they’re going to get poisoned basically by it. So we have this kind of need for this person that’s able to provide pure metals to them, but they don’t have them just ready to go. They don’t have guys like that just like on the side. They’re just baking this stuff up with them. This whole book. The most important thing, or one of the most important things that occurs in this book is that Vin benefits from or discovers derivative dural mine. And like, she’s the only one that knows this, but it’s really not Vin that discovered it. It’s this chemist that’s, like, randomly that’s on here. This is the most important guy in the book almost, right? We don’t even know they’re working together. She was sending him ideas. He was doing it. It’s a little Wozniaki jobs kind of situation, right. But that should be her right hand man. He’s traveling around with him all the time. Yeah. Why isn’t he part of the entourage? And also Ellen’s dad had a brothel, and one of the girls in it is like, yes, I’m good at chemistry. So he just hires her off the street. In reality, she’s just poisoning him the whole time. But he’s like, how are we not investing in chemists and metal workers? And these are the most important things in this society. What are we doing? Yes, Stress Ventures Loaded can do pretty much anything, and instead he has Jesse from Breaking Bad as his chemist. But yeah, it is interesting, especially because a lot of them are alloys and stuff, so they have to have certain percentages. She even says it’s not pure metals. Like, they need X amount of percentage of all these different things. But yeah, these people are not given the credence that they deserve, and they should probably unionize, right? We need the metal or just union to come out and be like, we’re not making any more metals for your missings your elementors until you guys help. Although then probably the terrorists might just take it over. You don’t want that kind of situation. Well, all the unions actually in this book are kind of suck. Yes, they are pretty terrible. But the Contra formed a union. They’re like, here’s what we’re going to do. We’ll be slaves. I’m like, Wait, what? That’s the union’s goal. What are you doing here? Yeah, I’m going to have more on that myself. So I guess I’ll get into that too, because my first stock up is contracts. Normally you hate contracts. You hate them. If someone hands you a contract, it’s terrible. You don’t want to read the fine print. More often than not, you just don’t, and it’s just super long. Plus, then contracts are so easy to slip in and out of. With getting lawyers involved, it’s all terrible. But with a contract, there’s no need for the fine print, there’s no need for lawyers. Those things are ironclad, and they’re extremely simple. It’s like, I have to listen to everything you do or else I got to go jump off a bridge. Like, what? That’s the deal. That’s what we agreed upon. That’s what we’re going to do. So contracts in this universe, I’m into it. If all the contracts were conduct type contracts, it’d be great. You would never have a problem with Best Buy. You could bring Best Buy back into your life. Thank you for bringing that up. Yeah, buy a TV, they’d say, do you want extended warranty? Yeah, sure. When you call them for a warranty, boom, new TV comes. It’s not evading. If they’re like, oh, we’re not going to send you the TV. You say, okay, well, Brian is the guy that gave me the contract. I’m going to go shoot him. And they’re going to say, okay, fine. That’s totally cool. He did not uphold his end of the contract. Yeah, that’s the rules. Yeah, them’s the rules. The rules. So, yeah, we need more contract contracts in our life, although I still don’t really understand how they came about. It was like they built them for themselves to kind of preserve them. Right. So the Lord ruler can’t just kill us all off because we have these contracts. I didn’t really get it. I think they’re like genies from Aladdin where someone needs to grant them the third wish to set them free. That’s what I was getting the vibe up. I was like, oh, this is genie? Yeah, well, it’s just like a term limit. So you have the contract for a certain amount of time and then it’s over. Well, then I thought I was going to do was take the contract and say, your contract now is that you have to be free. Yes. I kind of thought that thing, too. I thought it was going to be like, I wish you to be free, Jeannie. Although didn’t he use the three wishes? How did that end up working? I forget. In Aladdin, first one is becoming a prince. The second one was to save him from drowning. And then the third one I can’t remember the third one was to free him. Right? That was what it was. Because the first one was to get out of the cave at the beginning, and he was like, all right, use your first wish. But he didn’t actually wish it. He just said, like, I bet you couldn’t get me out of this cave. I don’t know, go rewatch Aladdin or play the Super Nintendo video game, which is great. What else do you have for stock up? Stock up the ultimate way to win an argument. Wait, what? This was dropped in the book, and I want to test it out on you because I think it was Osir talking with Vin. And Ocean says, Why do you hate me so much? And Ben’s like, well, because you use Kelsey’s body. And then the argument that comes after that is the best argument I’ve ever heard. So let’s test this out. You say something that I think is wrong, I’m going to correct you and win the argument automatically the way Osiris won it. Okay. Jesus is our Lord and savior.

Participant #1:

Listen, you’re too smart to think that that can’t be right. You know that? You’re too smart for that. See what it does there? It’s like a backhanded compliment. No, I like 480, or I don’t know what it is, but it’s basically saying you’re really smart and therefore your argument is stupid. So you can’t possibly think that because that’s a stupid argument. It’s such a good way to argue that it’s really good. It’s so condescending, and I love it. So check this out with your GF tonight. See how that works? Let me know. Yeah. So we’re actually planning on finishing she’s never seen Star Wars, so we’re finishing Return of the Jedi tonight. Wow. So she might say something along the lines of, like, I think Phantom menace was better. And then I’ll be like, well, after you break up, what do you do then? You can’t break up with me. You’re smarter than that. She’ll use it on you. Okay, all right. But it’s a great argument, right? It is a great argument. I’m a huge fan. Yeah, because if you disagree, continue to disagree. You’re just dumb. You’re like, well, now you’re dumb. You’re proving to me. Now you’re just admitting you’re dumb. Yeah. So my second stock up can’t top that. I don’t think. Oh, actually, this one might. Speaking of or sir is dogs. Stock up for dogs and dog stock super high, as we all know. We both have Freddie. You got Freddie, I got Bear over here. We both love our dogs, actually. We both love our girlfriend’s dogs. Which is even better. Or sir or Tensoon. He’s a conjurer, so he has to adhere to the conjurer contract, but then gives him a dog’s body, which one? Genius move. Like, absolute genius move by Vin. And the fact that this hasn’t been experienced before, or sir tensoon is at first he’s like, I’m not going to do that. But that kind of blows me away that they wouldn’t have tried taking animal bodies, because mistrace take on anything they find. They’re, like, kind of related to misread. Why wouldn’t they have tested out? Why wouldn’t you get the most exotic predator and have that be your conjurer? It would be amazing. Talk about aladdin. It’d be like having Raja at your side. Who would want a tiger? Great job. We couldn’t remember the three wishes, but you can. Jesus. That was all that I’m a big fan of the Disney animals, but the second she gets him the dog’s body, not only does he, like, start to help her out more and has these cool ideas. I’ll just put these vials inside of me and speak the secret password, and I’ll open up my shoulder blades and you can take it out. But the loyalty aspect, I think that because he was a dog, he took on some dog abilities. Not only the scent and sight and all those other things agility that dogs have, but also the more important one, which is loyalty, because in the end, he kind of fudges the contract a bit to save in when she’s fighting my boy Zane. There Zane’s talking to God and the conjurer is like, no, you know what? If you kind of hints at her if you do this, then try that thing. Remember what I told you. Boom. Loyalty. At the end of the day, even though we had an ironclad contract in which he would die, he took on that dog loyalty, and he stood up for Bin. I respected it. But what did you think about the condre as a whole? You know, we saw, obviously, Or Sir at the end when he took on Kelsey’s body, and we figured out that whole thing. But were you a fan of them, were you not? Because we get pretty much two new beings in this book, being the condra and the cows. We got the co loss. Everything else, we’re pretty familiar with. What do we think about Contract? I didn’t get how Zane knew that they were using a conjurer. And then the Contract allows him to not kill humans, but they can kill a condra. You know, I’m saying how they basically like, oh, the condor is impossible to find. They’re impossible to find. Nobody knows what a conduit is. And then all of a sudden, they’re like, yeah, this person is a contra. We knew that. It was like, Wait, isn’t that against the whole premise of the book? Yeah, it’s interesting. And then they were like, oh, we can just kill it, too. It’s like, oh, and Zane didn’t know how to kill the condo. Right. So I don’t get no or sir did it, right? No, I mean Tensor. So tension is allowed to kill his own kind, I think. So you just can’t kill humans. Why would that be? Well, you can’t kill humans because that’s, like, the rule that they said in their contracts. Kenton wouldn’t tell Vin any of the secrets or anything like that, and she had openly been like, Help me find it. And he’s like, Nah, I guess it was itself. Yeah, it was himself. What’s he going to do? It’s me came over. This book is now only 100 pages. He just killed himself. Yeah, I kind of liked that aspect. I thought Tensoun was, like, a really good character I’m actually interested to see, because he leaves pretty much after the whole thing within and goes back to his people to kind of get their judgment on the whole situation. And it seems like he’s going to have to tell them, like, everything that went down. So I guess I’m kind of interested in that. And also, just like, how it works in general, he gets a contract from the group, and then you have to go out as a slave and be a slave to people. And then once your contract is done, you go back home. Maybe they get the money. I don’t know exactly how it works, but I thought the relationship, too, between him and Van was one of the more enjoyable dialogue aspects of this, because the first half or two thirds of the book is not a ton is going down. Very dialogue heavy, which I enjoyed. I thought it was good stuff, but I thought the conversations between them are really good and the way they kind of, like, played off each other. And they also had the most humor, I think, between them in the book with their not so hidden vitriol for each other, even though they end up becoming like biffles. Did you have any other stock up? Well, to tie it back to the Star Wars reference you made earlier, stock up, anakin skywalker’s. Turn. Like, turn to the Dark side. Turn to the dark side. Yeah. So I always thought the turn from Anakin was pretty crazy. 1 second he’s just, like, following the Jedi code, the next second he’s murdering little kids off. But then we go to this book and we have two of these turns. We first have Ellen, who is never fighting. Everyone doesn’t believe in fighting. He could have assassinated these leaders, had been go in there and just kill them, and the war would have ended. I was like, why don’t we just do this? You kill two people instead of killing thousands. Yeah. Going to Mustafar and killing the whole Truth Federation. It’s like, what are you doing? We have Ellen, who has this principal, like, that just walks into the colossal camp stupid. And then attacks Jasties for no reason, somehow survives that. And I’m like, holy shit, that was stupid. What a dumb move. Then he attacks a co op. He never fought before. He fights a co op. So the death kills a Colossal, which I was like, wow, okay, that was pretty crazy. Then a second later, Ben, who’s been like, oh, I could just go kill these leaders, but Ellen doesn’t want me to decide. I’m going to go kill 300 foot soldiers. Mostly Scott probably just go murder them. And then I’m going to get to a leader and then not kill that. I’m like, what are we doing here? This doesn’t make any sense. Both those turns were just, like, so abrupt. And this is after Too that she’s been sitting on Kelsey this whole time, which I fucking hated. Don’t you talk about my boy Kelsey like that. He’s dead, sir. All right, Pete. That’s the savior. Yeah. And so? I don’t know. Those turns were just out of nowhere. Well, Ellen was somewhat foretold that Tindwell was trying to get him to train more, and he was, like, training a lot more with the sword. He said he was filling out that suit more. I like how he went from being, like, disheveled dress philosopher to looking like the prince in Little Mermaid like big white suit or the king from Cinderella, whatever. You pick them. Pick your Disney movie. But the big white parade suit kind of thing, I was like, okay, okay, Alan, you do you. But then he started training. I was like, okay, something’s going to go down, and he’s going to actually fight someone for real. Because we get a little bit of that in missborne. But he just stood there with his sword, whacking it around like a little boy just found his penis. Now he’s actually going in and having a mission with that thing. But when he killed that Co loss, I was thinking about it because the coal, they grow really fast or whatever. He’s like, yeah, I picked one out that was, like, a little bit bigger than me. He really just killed a Co lost baby. Like, that’s all he did. He just murdered a co lost baby and picked the fight. And then the other colossal is like, he stole my horse, or something like that. Or he killed my horse. Okay, I guess they just yes, that they’re just like, yeah, that checks out. Cows and don’t get enough love in this. I’m going to get into it. Yeah, co ops are great. Colos are really treated not in a good way. I didn’t like that. His turn, I felt like, was more akin to what was going on. But yeah, Vin is spilling gallons and gallons of blood and then gets to my boy in the wheelchair and just like, pushes him down off his wheelchairs, like, fight me. He’s like, I’m crippled. And she’s like all of a sudden she’s like, oh, damn. Yeah. Stockup, handicap rights. You got to treat them equally. That’s why you got to kill that guy. That’s kind of bullshit in my mind. Yeah. I don’t know what Ben was thinking there. She should have just killed the guy. But hey, at the end of the day, he ended up pretty much turning the tide for them in the war. So she made the right move. They would have been led by the daughter had you just killed him and the hare, the daughter would have came in and took over the army and helped fight. That’s true. Yeah, maybe. But she kind of did like her dad. Actually. This conversation is kind of reminding me. Did you ever see the deleted scenes in the original Austin Powers movie? I’m sure I have. So one of them is the henchman’s family. So the guy who gets run over by the steamroller, do you remember him? For the first time by the steamroller? It’s a very interesting and I think hilarious take that they go for because there’s all this killing and all these movies and whatnot and books. And they just take a henchman who is just kind of doing his job and gets killed by the head, the lead Austin Powers in this situation, but it could have been Vin and goes back to his family. He’s like, Where’s dad? Dad’s not going to be home today. And I was actually thinking about that when she was killing all these hens. Like, they got families. Vin, what are you doing, girl? That was actually a good part of the book. I felt like the whole idea that she’s just like a weapon for Allen and it’s not this, like, mutual relationship. It’s just like she’s the tip of the sword. And you can kind of dictate where she goes and what she does. And that’s how she decides to do it, be like, okay, well, if you don’t want me to kill all these people, I’m going to go and kill 300 people. Now you’re kind of just feeding into that, which then it turns later when she starts killing all the Colos, she’s like, oh, I feel really good now because I like killing these other things and not humans. Granted. I’m Team Colos over here. My next stock up was being cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. Okay, normally that’s not a good sign, but Zayn here my boy zayn absolutely cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. I know we’re talking cereal. You’re talking about being crazy. I’m being crazy. I was talking about Cocoa Krispies. That’s what I fuck with. Is that the chocolate chip cookie one? That’s like the Rice Krispies but with chocolate. Got you. No, I’m talking like actually Zane being cookie. Okay. So Zayn really has no relationship with Vin besides the fact that they fight at night. They just kind of spar to check their powers. One time he saved her wasn’t really clear, but they haven’t had any interesting conversations outside of him just telling her that Alan is using him. And he’s really not macking any good. He’s not spitting any good game out there, but he’s crazy as you can get. And Vin is actually thinking about leaving Ellen to go off with Zane even though she’s had this huge relationship with Ellen. They’re like potentially going to get married. They spent countless nights together. But she’s like, no, this guy’s giving me the crazy eyes so I might leave to go with him. Make very little sense to me. But I just realized, like, oh, chicks just love the guy’s a little crazy. And Ellen is just a nice guy. It’s not surprising that the girl that fell in love with Ellen in 2 seconds is also falling in love with some other dude. Wow, she’s 17. We’ve all been there. Yeah, you fall in love when you’re that young. I get it. Yeah. Also it seemed like the relationship I’ll get into it later, but did you have any other stock ups? One quick one was early bird catching the worm stock up. Shane and Van are just fighting dueling and just tossing coins everywhere, like across the whole city. Just leaving coins on the ground. And the sky don’t go out during the mist at night. But when they wake up early, whoever gets up early is just making a fortune. Vin even mentions she’s like, I’m carrying around a bag of coins that if I had this when I was a SCA, would be like, set me up for a couple of years. But I’m just tossing on the fucking ground. Like I don’t give a shit about them. I’m like, oh wow, it must be nice. Yeah, you’d have to be in a very specific spot. But yeah, I can dig that. I can take some early bird getting the worm stock up. My last one also quick and it’s going to tie into my stock down, but autocracies. So this whole book is a lot of it is political drama, political intrigue, what have you. And it’s all because Ellen set up this very intricate government where there’s balances of power and checks of power, all those kind of things that you’re expecting from a developed government, a developed governmental system. But at the end, Vince like, oh, I made you emperor. And Alan’s like, yeah, that probably makes a lot of sense. He spent years writing up his ideas on what the perfect government is going to be. And then at the end it’s like, no, just give me all the power and I’ll figure it out. I’m a nice enough guy. So stock up to autocracies because we might need one of those from the right person. What did you have for stock down? Stock down? Military tactics. We’ve had this as a stock up in past episodes, but now I’m selling. I think that the stock is a little bit too high. So, I mean, I get that the SCA aren’t fighters, right? They’re not used to being in wars or fighting, but they do manual labor. They’re normal people. They’re like, well, we can’t use them. The alternative is them just to sit at home and get killed, soldered. Why aren’t we not having them build defenses and train them and build trenches? Yes, make them do stuff. They’re just literally sitting there doing absolutely nothing. And they’re like watching why they fight. I’m like, pick up a fucking sword or maybe build a bow and arrow. Take that. Like in Ellen. At one point, I was like, oh, this is when they’re going to start. I was going to start figuring out and being a leader. He was like, we’re going to go in all these houses. We’re taking down the firewood. And I was like, oh, shit. This is the Montage in the movie where they’re like training and then they’re building defenses and they’re like, we’re going to actually defend the city because we got a leader to look to now. But he does that one thing and then we don’t hear from them again the next time we see them. They’re all just watching. It’s a great point, and I had the same thought because it made me think of Kevin Costner in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves, one of the greatest movies ever made. There’s a point where he goes out and he basically rallies all of the peasants to build this treehouse city in the middle of Nottingham Woods or whatever. And the Montage is them building this treehouse city and then also him training all of these peasants on how to shoot bows and arrows. And obviously it starts off with everyone missing and whatever. But then towards the end of the Montage, they’re honing in and they’re shooting these things straight at the dummies or whatever they made up. Why can’t you do that with the sky? I don’t understand. You’re able to empower them. You have soothers. Don’t just use Southern for the battle time with your soldiers. Use them to get Scott, like the confidence they need to actually do things. They’re like, ewoks. Kids star wars. They’re like, ewocks. Yeah, who cares if they’re physically less superior or haven’t been trained. You can still use them. Yeah, we can get the two logs that cross that chicken walker or whatever. Use the two logs on a colossal they’re also colos. Like yes, they’re beings that don’t have a ton of intelligence, so you might as well dig pits and all sorts of traps. Yeah, right. Take a page out of the Viet Cong book and have some crazy Bouncing Betty all over the place. Do whatever you need to do to keep these colos out of your city. Instead, it’s like, no, let’s put them in their house and just see if they die. Makes no sense. I’m with you there. My first stock down is being king. Yeah, it sounds good. You get the crown upon your head. But Ellen is terrible being king. He’s got a terrible time. One, people are trying to I mean, probably the most important is people are trying to kill, dethrone you left and right. Ellen just like, is getting all these assassins coming after him from different parties, and people inside and outside are trying to dethrone him. On top of that, you think, okay, you’re king. You get respect. At least you’re the top of the pecking order. You can just lop heads off when you want. Now people are going around calling him Kid, calling him Elle. Hey, Elle, what’s going on? I’m your fucking king. Show me some respect. But now people don’t even treat him with respect. He’s got his girlfriend who won’t even marry him. She won’t even marry him. He can’t go out and get anything else if he wants to, even though he could, but he’s just this soft king. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. Oh, I was just going to say that. Wow. Ellen’s head is dragging on the floor. Which one? Oh, you got them. Maybe his balls, considering it’s probably quite pent up. What else do you have? A stock down. Not stepping on throats. Stock down. I guess that’s a double negative, but I had too many stock ups. But we have Strath who has like a chemist, right? The girl that he just brings into. Yeah, I think she’s one of his women slaves, where he’s a disgusting creature, by the way. Strap venture. Yeah, he’s not a good dude. Good evil guy. But she gets to the point where he’s basically about to die from not having the medicine or the drug or whatever. Right. He’s basically ready to die and she doesn’t step on throats. You got to just continue to keep the role until he’s literally dead. She just feel like, start bragging. This is like a very similar to the Game of Thrones duel where the guy has him down over in Martell or whatever, has him down ready to die, and he’s like just bragging. Cross the finish line, finish the game, step on throats. Literally in this instance, You should have stepped on throats and finished them and not fucking bragged. Be better. Yeah. Some of my favorite YouTube or Reddit clips are people in bike races or marathons that pulled their hands up and start celebrating and then someone passes them. I just love that stuff. Makes me so happy. My next and last stock down is pituitary gland issues. Not enough light is given to pituitary. I know what that is, but what is it? What’s the word? Pituitary. Yeah, I have very layman’s understanding, but it’s a gland you have that it has a lot of regulates hormones and whatnot. Sometimes kids have issues with pituitary glands and either they’re not producing enough growth hormone and they can be like stunted, or in other cases, like the movie Jack featuring Robin Williams, they’re producing too much growth hormone and they can age a lot faster. Those kind of things. Granted, that’s not exactly what happened in the movie, Jack, so please don’t send me any listener email telling me that that’s not exactly what happened. I know. Okay. I hear you. Fritz Ford coppola. Good for you. Can’t believe you directed that movie. But get back to my point. Pituitary gland issues. Not enough talk about pituitary gland issues. And in this one, they actually victimized the victim because all the colossal there’s no sympathy for them. It says that they increase in size and it’s until their hearts can’t take it anymore and pretty much explode. Or like, that’s how the colossal life. So they have some seriously overactive pituitary glands. They just need some help. They just need some medicine instead. People are like, no, these things are animals. They need to be killed. There’s no understanding for the plight of these people. Yes, they may be a little warmongery. Okay? I understand that. They’re not the brightest lot. They accept wooden coins because they’re that dumb, but they don’t know any better. Teach them. No, instead Vince, like, I’ve never felt so good killing, massacre and all these coal. I felt so great now that I’m not killing people instead of genocide in all of these co ops, it’s like, holy shit. These are Tusk and Raiders. They’re people, too. They got families. What are you doing? I thought they were about to be zombies and that’s why they were like, they look like humans, but their skin is peeled back. And then every time they kill someone else, they may get bigger and the skin pulls back more. Yeah, well, it’s also like they’re just shaming stretch marks to this whole bunch. If someone’s got some stretch marks, it’s like, EW, gross. Your COLOSS terrible. You haven’t had, like, skin that’s dry and cracked and bleeding all the time. My hands in the winter, I felt heard. I felt seen like, look at this disgusting humans. Like, Jesus Christ. All right. Yeah, exactly. All calls have is just a bunch of medical maladies and no one’s taking care of that. Instead of just murdering them. It’s terrible. What’s going to favorite scene here. What do you have for your favorite scene? Well, I think you pointed to it earlier. It was kind of a slow grind, which was fine because I think we had the stage set in the first book. But it was interesting kind of to get the background. I do think there are some probably areas that could have been cut a little bit. There’s like a scene where they just go get dresses and I’m like, what are we doing here? I’m like, all right, enough of this. But it did build up to the big war, which I think would be amazing if it was portrayed on a TV or movie where you have the co ops attacking and then you have the other group attacking and then you have kind of like four different armies coming together. You’ve been running back, you got Season going all Hulk on the Colosse. It was kind of like a Game of Thrones where you have four episodes that are like building backstory and then you have a big war and it makes the war way better than if you had a war every episode, right? For sure. I did appreciate that. Obviously, that final climax was pretty good. Yeah, the first book was really a heist book set in this world, so built the world up. But it was really about this heist. So you were introduced to the characters a little bit, but it didn’t get a ton of character development, really outside of Vin. So I thought this was a good especially because it’s the middle book, it’s a good character development book. They kept it going with some interspersing battles with Vinfinding assassins and whatnot. I like all the political stuff, so I thought that was fine. But I did think that I agree with you that the build up to that battle was sweet. If you saw it on a big screen or whatever, it would be cool. Battle Helms Deep kind of thing with Vin being Legolas and just taken down Urkai, aka COLOSS, left and right. Also, maybe they’re understood. Not understood either. Yeah, maybe that’s another thing we have to dig into specifically within that battle. I loved when say that, like you said, go and all Hulk on everyone and then starts losing it and he’s like, about to die. And then it’s like, Wait, is that Vin’s music? Like Season? The background is all these lights glittering and realize they’re coins. It’s like flying through the air, shooting coins at colossal left and right. It’s great. I also liked Vin crushing the assassins at the assembly. I thought that was a good fight. I mean, even alone. Then just talk about fighting video games using that Mortal Kombat style finishing move on the guy and just head butting him until his head explodes. Yeah, let’s see more of that. What about your character? Do you have a favorite character in this one. Tinuewell obviously really tiny. Oh, yeah. Loved her. I mean, what this book is, if we don’t have Tinuel, is a Ya book. That where a leader and his girlfriend just don’t talk to each other and argue and think like, does she like me? Does he like me? That’s what the book is. And Tyler comes in. He’s like, hey, Alan, stop being a huge bitch. And he just starts calling him out and everything. I was like, yes, this is what we need. This is what every Ya book needs is someone to come in and just say, the world doesn’t revolve around you. You’re the main character in this book for a reason. Start acting like it. And I’m like, Holy shit. This is fucking awesome. Yeah, she starts calling everyone out. And I do like that she’s like, certain people need to be shit on because they haven’t had a hard life. And certain people have had a hard life. They don’t probably need to be shit on anymore. I’m like, yeah, that makes sense. Yes. She was like the best coach, right? She was your Bobby Knight or whatever and doesn’t shit on just everyone. But she’s like a bobby knight. But Bobby Knight, some people. That is like a father figure to other people. Exactly. She was doing it because Allen even says it’s a boy. Like, why didn’t you say that to her? And it’s like, well, one, she’s not king. Like, she’s not the Michael Jordan of this group. So you need it a little harder than everyone else. And also, she’s seen some shit. So you haven’t seen no shit. So I’m going to do whatever I need to get you ready. I appreciate Tinderal. I was very surprised that she died. Very surprised. I also was 100% felt sad. If I’m sad that I’m done unless I have no faith, I’m gone with everything. Because everything he believed in and the only person he’s never loved or just done or gone. Yes, it’s going to be a fascinating move in the next one for Season. Because I think Ham asked him, you know, all these religions, which one do you believe in? He was like, I believe in all of them. And then at the end, he’s just like, I believe in none of them. He’s thinking like, maybe I never did. What would be amazing turn would be if he’s the bad guy. That would be the best making of a bad guy ever, where you’re like, use your favorite character, book one and book two and then book three. He’s like, everything’s dead to me. I’m going to kill everyone. He did tell Vin, like, give her a fake map or whatever. He’s doing some shisty shit on his own. But you forget that we didn’t have any say that POVs in Final Empire because he was such a great character in that. But it was just his interactions with Vin, really. So it was great to get his point of view in this book because it was very different, very interesting. I liked most of the stuff, except for when he was in farming villages. At the beginning, I was like, okay, get the fuck out of there. Go back home. Yeah, right. Yeah, I’d say that was up there with me. Definitely a not for me. Not my character was l. Excuse me, Your Highness. King Venture. Definitely not. He was scared of Vin. When she smashed that guy’s head in, he was like, oh, shocked. And he was like, I can’t believe that she did that for me. It was gruesome or whatever. It’s like, Dude, this is your girlfriend and also your bodyguard. That would be awesome. Talk about sending a message to the entire League. Smashing someone’s face in front of an assembly with your own head as being a little girl. Like, no one’s going to mess with you. That’s when you get excited. Maybe sexually, not backed in horror. I hate that. And also, he’s too nice. He could have easily stayed king. He wrote the rules for this government, and then no one reads the rules. And then he’s like, okay, now it’s actually in the rules that I can’t be king. So you guys can change your view. Yeah, but no one read it. That’s their fault for not reading the fine print. Talk about contracts. It’s their fault when they turn to them and like, what’s the rule here? It’s like, hey, listen, buddy, go read your fucking self. I’m not telling you this is a political we’re about to do a vote here. I’m not telling you everything that needs to be done within this thing. That’s not your job. Your job is to write the rules. Everyone else can use them as they want. If you’re looking at me to answer your question, then obviously I should be king. Very simple, right? Exactly. Yeah. If you don’t know the rules he doesn’t know the rules, then I should be king. Simple as that. Good night. Now you’re going to the gulag. Let’s get into the blood. Hate what we love about the well of ascension. Did you fart? Love? Yes. Farts. It’s being a breeze. You did that on purpose. Nice. Anyways, breeze. I didn’t realize, I think, in the last book how powerful or how much he was suing and how kind of a good guy was in terms of what he was sushing. Oh, yeah. And they were even said at one point, they were like, he’s the most powerful missing in the known world, or something like that. I’m hiring this dude out for weddings and for events. All he was doing is bringing good vibes to everyone. He’d be in our room, and he’d just be like, Good vibes, good vibes, good vibes. I’m like, Shit, let’s get this dude. At, like, events that I’m hosting or being a part of. In the last book, it almost made it seem like he was being manipulative. In this book, they show like, oh, no, he’s just doing it to make everyone feel good. He wants everyone to have a good time around him. I was like, that’s fucking awesome. So I love that. Yeah. Imagine him in a bar mitzvah. I mean, people will be throwing people up on that chair. No, that’s just a wedding. Wedding. No, I think it’s bar mitzvahs, too. No, I’m almost positive they do it at Barnes. I mean, it’d be the most epic. Havana. Gila that’s for sure. Yeah, I was a big brief fan, too, and I liked his character development throughout this. Once again, just like all the characters for the most part. Actually, that’s going to get me into my next section. But yeah, for the most part, all the character development I thought was really good, whether it be Brand, I mean, clubs, my boy, clubs. Rip. Indeed. Clubs, I feel like, was great in this book, considering he was like nobody really in the last one. He was just like the guy who they did their shop. But then when seasons talking to him about his religion and how it would be like this part of this artisan religion and kind of broke into clubs is tough exterior there. Got into that warm, squishy interior. I like that. One of the things I loved, though, was I already talked about it, but the political intrigue, there’s a lot of, at least from what I understand about the reactions to this book, is there’s a lot of like it’s a little political, it’s a little slow, but it’s a good middle book for the series. I totally disagree. It’s just a different vibe. If you wanted to read Miss Born all over again just after you’re done with the first one, pick it up and read it again or go somewhere else. But it’s a world building, character driven story. So you’d want to get more out of these characters specifically, because the first book wasn’t any of that. It was just mostly, here’s Vin, here’s Kelsey, or here’s some crazy Heist thing that’s going on. So you get this more of how this world works. Who are the power players involved? What it’s like to try to build a government from nothing, or at least like different weird pieces that then you have to use. I thought that stuff was really good. And how it also tied in with the assassination attempts and the power struggle. I thought that was really good. Ellen growing into a full fledged character, not just this bookish loser like us and the whole Tin dwell versus Ellen thing and helping him grow like we talked about. I thought that was really fun. So people go in there saying, like, oh, if you don’t like politics, don’t go into it. It’s not like a politic book. It’s a character book that has politics involved. So I like that. What else, Jill? I did like the condor stuff, even though I think we talked to that already. But I just like that being nice paid off. It’s cool to have kind of some of the double crosses you, but at the end of the day, because you’re a good person. Oh, I guess we don’t really want to double cross this person. Yeah, I mean, the part of the book is just how relationships matter. And, like, building relationships is super important, whether it’s with a condo or coal OS. God damn it, I want a co lost guy. I also thought for sure that Spook was the one that I was like, oh, it has to be him. Nobody loves this. I was like, it’s got to be Spook. Spooked is not going to love the first one he tries to hit on Vin. She’s like, now pass. I’m going for this bookish, loser. And then he’s like, did you see, too, the comment from in the book where she’s like, Ollarine comes in and Spooks, like, looking her up and down, and Ben’s like, Spook would do that? That piece of shit. Yeah, that’s a poll. Look at it. I’m like, what the fuck? This dude was just, like, proposed to you last time, and now you’re like, what a piece of shit this guy is. Yeah, I’m sorry that an attractive person came in and he looked at her. I’m sorry, Vin. He tried to be super nice to you and, like, wing your hand, and you turned him down. When he goes out with Vin and Ellen, and he’s like, I’m a coward. I left the city, or whatever, they’re not really like, hey, man, it’s tough. It’s tough to be human. Like, things happen. They’re just like, sometimes people are cowards. All right, what’s up next? Like what? There was something that I forgot to put a note, but there was just something where it was like, yeah, that sucks. And then they don’t. Other loves that I had was Vin just being a superhero in this one. I thought that was important. It was a great part of it. They didn’t really explain how she had gotten so much better or assumed her powers so much more. And a lot of it, I think, is probably just comes to her naturally. But I did like the idea of just like, she’s completely unbeatable, and no one’s, like, blown away by the stuff she’s doing, which is like, not only the 300 people that she kills in what’s his name, the guy’s household, but when she’s just killing the colossal left and right, it’s just like, holy smokes. Those superhero scenes were super badass, especially considering it kind of opened up with her against those assassins. And it showed it was a good stage center to show how much more powerful she’s become since we last left her. But it wasn’t just outright murdering, which I would love to see on the screen, her just flying around doing some crazy misborn stuff. And I think with the lower moments, where it’s more conversational, to have those superhero moments was really good. I loved it. I loved every second of it. All right, what do you get for hate? Calling an outfit a costume was one thing. I don’t know why, but they kept on being like, Ellen is putting on his costume. I’m like, Bro, you’re never going to think that your king if you call your king outfit, like the outfit you’re wearing as a king, a costume that just shows that word literally means it’s your make believe. It’s like dressing up. It’s not a real thing for you. So I just thought that was kind of interesting. They kept on calling a costume in there. Well, interesting because my mom, who’s a flight attendant or retired now, and my step dad, who is a pilot, they both referred to their uniforms as costumes. You just said uniform. You should have said they both refer to their costumes as costumes, right? No, but it’s not on me. I went with the pilot. Yes, I went with the pilot on a plane. I’m flying to be like, oh, this is my costume. All right, where about tickoff? Yeah, that was a quick one. The other thing, I thought once they found out there’s a condra amongst their missed, this should be the most important thing. Like, you literally have someone that’s secretly giving away everything you’re planning in your mist. Right? When you find out that there are certain people that are doing Alamancy, that you should loop them in. Hey, we’re looking for a condra. Keep your eyes open, things like that. Where they’re just, like, kept it hidden. And they’re like, I guess we have been too busy to focus on that. I’m like, what does that fucking even mean? Yeah, it should be focus. No one is getting the sky and everyone ready for defending the cities. Book number two is finding this condra. That’s it. You shouldn’t be going to get dresses. Honda’s in the group. Okay, well, there’s five listings, so it can’t be one of them, but we don’t know if they’re going to use their powers. So you just get those five missing, you say, okay, everyone use your powers. Okay, got them. Next up. That’s it. I’m like, Why are we making this some sort of secret boy? The guy who they thought it was, you just grab his childhood friend from first grade and you’re like, who is that? And be like, I don’t know. It’s like, well, then you’re a contract. Yeah, right. They do such extensive research. Like they’re the guy from Lincoln, daniel Day Lewis. They’re DDL. He’s just like, he knows everything that this person has ever done. Like, no, it’s just not how it works. They can’t do that much research for my hates. I hated the Dachshund storyline. It could have all been taken out. It made no sense whatsoever. I thought he hates the whole situation right now. He was like a Kelseier purist. But I was, like, not how happy Kelsey died. And he’s such a good guy in the first one. And, like, Kelsey’s right hand man. You think he’d have more of a role in this new empire, but he doesn’t. And then he just dies being like, Was it all worth it? Wait, is he the one that’s doing the books for them the whole time? Yeah. And then the other thing I hated was Vin and Allen’s relationship. I just thought he says early on that he like, ask her to marry him, and she said no. And I know that she’s still young and they don’t really know each other that well in the sense, so he knew her as valet. I get there. Still getting to know each other, and I’m not, like, dying to get some, like, 50 Shades of Gray action in the pages, but I would like some level of intimacy between them where I knew they were actually cared about each other on more of just this. Like, we know each other. We’ve kind of had this thing for each other level. I wanted it to be more not necessarily physical, but if they had some physical aspects in there, I’d be like, okay, cool. These people are actually attracted to each other and want to be together. Not like her slipping in. And I’d be like, oh, you’re still reading books? He’s like, yeah. I’d be like, Cool. I’m going out to the mist. It’s like the dad who goes out to the bar that comes home from work. It’s like, I’m going out to the bar, so the meatloaf’s in the oven when you get back. I’ll be in bed watching my stories, so yeah, nothing wrong with that. So yeah, I just thought that there at least it wasn’t, like, super great. The last one. I already brought it up. But the Kelseier hate that just angered me every time they’re like, well, Kelsey went out and killed people. Like, hey, Kelsey Freed, you yeah. None of you would be here trying to think of someone that was a revolution. It would be like George Washington moses. Or Moses. Yeah. Anymore like one of these dudes that was solely responsible for bringing the independence and then criticizing them because that freedom has allowed you to criticize them. You see what I’m saying? Yeah, I know. It’s feeding somebody an omelet and then crying over the cracked eggs. Let’s jump into listener mail. We got Murphy from Twitter. You got mail. Thanks, Murphy. I’m not sure male or female, but either way, thanks for writing in. Would you rather be a Miss Born or a Pharaoh chemist? So, like a keeper, like season. Would you rather be, like, a Missborn or Keith or anything? Here’s the thing. We’re already kind of a terracement, right? How so? You want to be less tired. You store up sleep. You sleep longer. You take more naps? Yes. Okay. Anyways, let me go. You want to be more knowledgeable. You read more, you do more research. You try to gain knowledge in that specific area. You want knowledge. You want to have more endurance. You want to be able to lift things more. You have to struggle. You have to literally hurt yourself by lifting weights and running and doing all these things in order to get all those things right. That’s what he’s doing. He’s reducing his like, he’s doing the opposite in order to gain more stuff. Yeah. So I think that’s the part you missed is that he’s doing the opposite. But okay, go on with your story. But the opposite of being able to run fast is being able to run slow. The reason you’re running slow is because you’re basically hurting yourself in order to be able to run fast later. Okay, yeah, I see what you’re saying. You’re training, so that’s what you’re doing. And you’re, like, reading a ton so that you can have knowledge that you can just pull from later. You’re storing stuff up like that anyway, so that’s where you are. That’s humans. I want that. I’d rather just drink some metal and deal with superpowers. That’s an easy answer. It’s super easy. Yeah. So I disagree. What they do is like, the opposite, which is why it’s exciting. If you’re a Miss Born let’s just go with this. If you’re a Miss Born, everyone is hunting you are trying to use you to their advantage. So there’s very few of you. They know who you are. It’s like being super famous. It’s a paparazzi all over you, but instead they’re actually trying to kill you or use you to advance themself in some way. Yeah, you can push and pull metals. You can use superhuman strength and all that jazz, but how practical is that for our daily life? Okay, you can carry all the groceries in one trip and open the door with a little push pull action and maybe impress your life. But I’m going to go with ferrochemist, because you need to cram for a test. Just read the material, save it into a copper mind. You can pretty much forget it, because that’s always the problem, is you cram and then you forget it, and you got nothing left. But no, just save and do a copper mine. No need to memorize that. You still just study. Yeah. You’re allowed notes and things, and this is only for, like, access. Okay, fine. And also, we’re not in high school, college anymore, so what’s the benefit? You’re like saying groceries if we’re using the same analogy, I’d be in the NFL right now, right? Like, in college, I’d be, like, the best running barrier. Okay, sure, we’ll give you that one. But let’s say you’re underage. Here’s the thing, d man. You’re too smart to think that we’re back. All right? You’re underage, but you want to go to the bar to watch those NFL games that you’re talking about on a Sunday. So you store some boyish good looks in your gold mine and all of a sudden you look older and you get to go to the bar. Oh, now you have to go into the men’s room where the drunk heathens have pissed on the floor and upper decked all the toilets. So put some extra smell in your tin mine so you can’t smell anymore. And you have olfactory intrusion right there. You don’t have to have it. Not only that, but then you get better smell later from when you’re doing something that you would want to smell more. You’re eating that hot dog afterwards and not a real one. Or hey, what about this? What about this? I’m going to that bar, I’m pulling the lever of the metal of the beer tap, filling up a beer for myself, pulling over to me, drinking that and it’s easy to and then I’m listening in on people’s conversation and going over and talking to them, knowing what they’ve been saying and then I’m shaping their emotions while I do that, I’m killing the bars. You’re pissing while at the bar. What about this? You’re headed to the beach for a day of spike ball. You use some of that pewter mind to get jacked at the beach for the day. You got your beach bod for the day. You’re ready to go and dominate spike. Because normally in your everyday life, you don’t want to work out, you don’t want to do this. So instead you get jacked for the beach. Get that beach by going people are pulling the sun, the glasses down, having a peek, oh my God, look at that guy. But then the best part is the next day you can sit around watching movies all day and the wife can’t give you shit because you’re like, hey baby, sorry, I used to bump my pewter yesterday. I got arrest and restore my pewter mind. All of these things are wonderful if you want to get strong, you don’t have to go and work out like you were saying earlier, you just sit there and do nothing and that gets you strong. It’s almost perfect. You have to do the opposite, kids. I’d rather take a performance enhancer and be able to be strong. Whatever I want though. Yeah, but then the problem is you always need those metals. You always need you always need this. That’s why I have my right hand man who’s a chemist that just walks around with me. You get the worldwide peace to your LeBron. I don’t want worldwide on me all day. I want to be my own man. I got a couple of medals on me and I’m just living my life. Oh, I don’t want to run today, but I want to run tomorrow. So don’t run today is you do already have all those earrings in that navel piercing where. You can store all that stuff. So that’s good.

Participant #1:

I don’t think I knew what Prince Auto was until it was podcast, and you’ve mentioned it like six times, so I had to bring it back. Okay, well, before we get into recommend this book, I’d like to take a quick moment to talk about the recent blog post you had about summer book reads. So on Buddybucklub.com, you can go there. We have a bunch of different blog posts out. They’re all quite enjoyable. They’re quick reads. They’re great toilet reads, as I like to tell my friends, and in a good way, like stuff you want to read on the toilet, not like their trashy toilet things. That’s all right. But you had the most recent one was about summer book reads, and you did your best to point it in the direction of books we had read, which I think is appreciative to not only me, but to Buddy Book Club listeners out there everywhere. Unfortunately, you had some I have some qualms. You had books like Station Eleven on there. I knew you’re going to not like that. But first off, you didn’t add any. I couldn’t have, like, three other books on there that list. I had to add more in there so it looked like I read all yeah, that book was terrible. It’s not a bad beach. Let’s first define what a beach book is. That’s the most important thing here. Okay, sure. So I think I summed it up well in saying that the elements need to have is easily digestible. Meaning, like, I don’t need to reread it ten times to figure out what sentence that was. Yes, fast paced. I can’t be sitting there zoning out. It needs to be fast paced, light hearted. It cannot be dark. I’ve read some dark books on the beach and they’re not with the room. That’s hilarious. And then entertaining is kind of encompasses all those things. Obviously, if it’s fast paced, I just light hearted. It should be entertaining, but that sums it up. So Station Eleven is none of those. Station Eleven, though. It might not be fast paced, but I think it’s easily digestible and it’s like, entertaining. I think it fits at least two of those. Well, it also fits one of the other qualifiers didn’t make. Some people like to nap at the beach, and so that’d be a good book to read and then want to immediately take a nap because it’s so boring. All right, whatever. You haven’t brought anything. You’re allowed to criticize mine, but then you have to actually bring some. I feel like you forgot about the number one book read. What is my opinion? I’ll add it right now, which is the DaVinci Code. I didn’t actually like the DaVinci code. What I’m adding, it. Dan Brown books in general are beach reads, I feel like, because they’re not. I don’t think the DaVinci Code is by any means like a stellar whoa book. But it’s super fast paced. It’s extremely easy to read. It’s really easy to follow. You also mentioned, like, Harry Potter on there, which is, of course, Harry Potter is good in any setting. But for Harry Potter, for me, I want to be like Sequestered in a room. If someone’s like, hey, you want to go play spike ball? Which is one of my favorite activities, I would say no, I have to reach this Harry Potter chapter. Like, I’m not participating. That book is too good for the beach. Okay, here’s the thing. Any list that I make is going to Harry Potter. It doesn’t matter what it is unless it’s bad books. It’s like, what’s a great book to recover from a funeral. I’ll be like Harry Potter. I don’t know. I’m just trying to think of what Lisa wouldn’t have. I like the idea of recovering from a funeral. I thought you were going to say some sort of surgery or something, like recovering from a funeral. Okay. No, I thought it was a good blog. I really appreciate it. I like other people’s feedback. I do find it kind of funny that when you go to the beach and I live in a beach community, I’ve been to the beach a few times this summer. Everyone’s reading the same book. It’s actually quite interesting. They’re reading the same five books or something like that. And usually it’s like every summer or something different. And I think maybe those Dan Brown books plugged into my head because I was on vacations that summer and everyone was reading it. There’s a reason people bring magazines to the beach, right? Yeah. It’s supposed to be like social media stimulus, brain stimulus in a book form. I thought your list was good, though, overall. Overall, I thought it was very good. Thank you. Yeah, I’d like to hear other people bring in some recommendations. Well Of Ascension would be a decent beach book for nothing else to hold down the corner of your blanket, because it’s like, 750 pages. So if it’s a high wind day, granted, I think it’s a good book, but not a really beach read. All right, well, let’s get back to welfare sentencing. Keith, would you recommend Well Of Ascension to friends, listeners, good reads, whatever you go for? Yes. I liked it. I think in the context of the last book is definitely good to continue the adventure and journey. I think if I had just started on book two, I don’t know if I would have been like, oh, this is good. The context of the first book kind of made this one better. So I don’t think it was nearly as good as first book. But I still liked it. I still enjoyed it. I think if it didn’t have that climax at the end, I would have been like, all right, what are we doing here? But I think it ended up being pretty solid. I’m pretty sure your girlfriend does the same thing. Well, I don’t know if she’s ever experienced last part. If you got issues, I know guys I would recommend it to. I think all the points you said were great. It’s a good middle book for a series. It didn’t blow me away. It set a good scene for the next book. I think it did a good job summarizing the last book at the beginning. So if you are one of those people who doesn’t want to read backtoback 800 page books, which I totally understand, then this would be a good book to kind of get you back. You don’t have to reread, miss Born to now fall into Wellscension. They did a good job of kind of guiding you the way through the first part, tying back in Missborne, if I’m saying that with any sort of understanding. And then I thought, in general, it was just a good character development book that’s hopefully setting up for something really special in Bureau of Ages. I think we’ll probably do that at some point, considering we’ve done the first two. This would be our first trilogy, right? We haven’t even read Mitch Rap trilogy. That’s embarrassing. We’re reading something similar to that next, which is Terminalist, correct? Yes. By Jack Carr. Yeah. Terminalist by Jack Car. Just came out on Amazon Prime for the miniseries with Chris Pratt. Come give us a listen and then watch that miniseries on Amazon Prime. Get your beach reads. And if you have any other ideas for beach reads, definitely send us a message. Cool. Well, that’s it, keith, as always, it’s been great. I’ll catch you for Terminalist in a week or so and we’ll talk after that. Alright. Bye.

In our Make it a Movie section we play the role of movie producers and map out the movie production. Currently Mistborn: The Final Empire sits as both Dylan and Keith’s #2 & #5 books, respectively. Mistborn is an epic world building fantasy novel with great characters and story, yet it has surprisingly not been made into a movie or TV show. 

Production Notes:

On January 27, 2017, Deadline Hollywood reported that DMG signed F. Scott Frazier as the screenwriter for an adaptation of Mistborn: The Final Empire. Brandon Sanderson has also spoken about the adaptation posted here. Doesn’t look the movie is coming anytime soon, but we’ll help the production companies with their casting.

Based on: Mistborn: The Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson

Genre: Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Thriller

Logline: An Oceans 11 crew enters a Star Wars world 

Set in a far off world, all are governed under The Final Empire, which is led by an immortal tyrant, known simply as the “Lord Ruler”. The vast majority of the population is enslaved and known as Skaa, with the ruling class, the nobility, controlling them with the support of the Lord Ruler and the powers (allomancy) they possess. 

Kelsier, a Skaa born who possess powers himself, gets the ol’ thieving crew back together, for their biggest job yet: to take down the Final Empire. With help from a young prodigy, Vin, they attempt to accomplish an impossible feat. It’s a story about deception, revenge, powers, and overthrowing a corrupt society. 

Main Characters/Casting:

Kelsier– Beaten down and betrayed, you would think Kelsier is full of piss and vinegar, however, he actually has a quite sunny disposition. Similar to that of Kolya from City of Thieves, Kelsier is cocky, confident and always the man with the plan. This disposition does not stop him from enthusiastically killing off any noble men he comes across or make him any less lethal. For this role we need someone that can both bring some levity to the role as well as be a serious leader and inspiration to the Skaa movement. We went with Daniel Kaluuya who is only 33 (which will be good in capturing Kelsier’s younger side), yet has shown he can pull off the leading man/galvanizing figure.

Vin – Vin is 17-year old beaten down Skaa street urchin who unknowingly has powers of her own. At first a timid and weak character, she learns to use her powers, trust those around her and transform in more ways than one. She also takes on the role of spy, assuming the role of Valette Renoux a noble woman. Her character is basically a mix between Aladdin and Eleven from Stranger Things.

Which is why we’ll stick with another British actor and go with Millie Bobby Brown, this role would be right up her alley and allow her to show off her considerable range.

Sazed – One of the best characters in the book, a loyal Terrisman Keeper, armed with the ability to store powers of his own. He is part guardian, part scholar, and helps save Kelsier and Vin on numerous occasions, while getting very little praise for doing so. Needs to be an actor who can pull off the role of being both wise and a physical specimen when called upon. Djimon Hounsou fits the bill here, as he seems to play this role in numerous movies.

Lord Ruler – An indestructible, incredibly powerful god of a man, the Lord Ruler seems to have no weakness. He doesn’t show up to often in the book, but when he does his presence is chilling. We’ll go with Thanos himself, Josh Brolin, easy peazy lemon squeezy.

(He also happens to be part of my favorite, least favorite scene in movie history; I laugh out loud every time I watch this).

There are a lot of other characters we could cast here but for now we’ll stick with these. Let us know what we got wrong and who we’re missing!

Check out our 2 episodes on the book here. 

The Buddies flare all of their metals and burn through the second half of Brandon Sanderson’s Mistborn: Final Empire. They chat about the benefits of reading, debating, religion, and of course face tattoos. The deep discussion also had the Buddies drawing parallels between the book and Forrest Gump/Jenny’s relationship, discussing the science behind being a eunuch, and reconsidering Bugs Bunny’s motivational tactics. We welcome Buddies, Mistborns, Feruchemists, Eunuchs, and everyone else to listen in as we discuss the second half of this epic. 

Intro: (0:00-1:29)
Stock Up/Down (1:30-22:44)
Favorite Scene (22:45-27:06)
Love/Hate (27:07-40:54)
Audit/Questions (40:55-47:03)
Casting the Movie (47:04-51:01)
Reader Email (51:02-52:29)
Conclusion (52:30-56:38)

Next Book: LORD OF THE FLIES by: WILLIAM GOLDING

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All right. Welcome to Book Club. I’m Dylan here with the high prelude of the pod. Keith, what’s up, you Maladroit? Deutsche sob. Please bring up some. I don’t know. You didn’t notice how Brandon Sanderson used Maladroit. Goddamn, I can’t say it. Maladroit, like seven times in the book. No, let me use my Latin here. Mallow means bad. Nice, good job. Droid means like, Star Wars. Droid. Bad robot. Bad robot. Exactly. Just like the production company. No, it’s like clumsy, I think. But he kept saying maladoitrus, this, that and the other thing, and it wouldn’t be a big deal. I wouldn’t notice someone using words if it wasn’t something as absurd. Either way, we’re breaking down some best sellers. In this week, we’ll discuss Miss Born, The Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson, first novel of the Miss Born trilogy. But our second podcast on the book. If you miss part one, you can find it where you found this one. So give it a download. And while you’re at it, click and subscribe. Click that subscribe button right there. If you want to be part of Listener Mail, manipulate your metacarpals and head them over to Buddybookall.com. Drop us a line. We got reader mail coming in from all places of the world. Yes, we’re getting it physically sent to my house. Really? Keep those stamps. There might be some fun stamps, like Cesar Chavez on them. Let’s get into Ms. Born part two. We’re going to jump right in with stock up. Stock down. So, Keith, start us off with your first. Stock up. Yes, stock up. Reading and debating. Alan and Vin end up falling in love with each other. Right. And this is after three meetings. Those meetings can best be summarized as one, Ellen reads in the corner and ignores Ben. That was our first meeting. Two, Ellen comes to Vin’s table and reads. And three, Vin confronts Ellen about ignoring her. And then they debate, like, ethical, like stuff around the sky and she cries and stuff like that. And then they fall in love. That’s the three meetings. So know what that breeding and debating is like? That’s like the Buddy Book Club. So basically, we formed a lovely relationship to you, man, and all of our buddies out there. We’re just a big group of people that love each other and reading and debating, and that’s what we do and stock up for that. And yeah, I just thought that was beautiful. I think what you’re saying is the next time we see each other, we’re going to hook up or something. Well, you’re going to be saved. Hopefully you’re going to come to my defense or hook up either one. Which one saved the other one? Because they both kind of saved each other. Yeah, exactly. Wow. That’s deep, man. Not physically. You mean like mentally and emotionally? Both, actually. Yeah, exactly. In several meetings. I can dig it. Although I think there is a period of the book where they skip a few months because Valette has been a K. Vin has been going to a bunch of balls. So I think it’s to be assumed that throughout those balls, she’d, like, seen Ellen and chatted with him. I thought he was ignoring her and stuff during that whole period. She was like, oh, I haven’t seen him. Or he’s like, kind of been. Yeah, Aloof, I think so. But at the same time, you’re still like, stop and chat, right? You got a curb enthusiast to stop and chat fair. Yeah. My first stock up is face tattoos. So if you get one in this world, there’s no way you’re getting a government job. It’s just 0% chance. I think that’s going to change soon. There’s too many coming out these days. Maybe not government job, but regular jobs. I think it’s just going to be whatever. Well, regular jobs. I can understand a tasteful Eagle on your neck that is wings tied up to your face. Is a neck tattoo the same as a face tattoo? No, I think it’s okay. You can have a subtle neck tattoo, like a behind your hairline while girls have that. Oh, sure. I’m in more of a front neck. Yeah. Front neck. Like the lips on the neck. That one’s great. You’re also thinking about basketball players, right? Because I was thinking about the game on the nets. Yeah, because I’m thinking about the big white guy who had, like, the huge neck tattoo, like his full neck. Oh, Birdman. Yeah, Birdman. We’re not talking sports, though. That guy is still not going to get a government job either way. My point stock up face tattoos is because all the obligators have face tattoos and they quite literally run the country. And the best part is, even after spoiler alert, if you’ve gotten this far and you don’t know that spoilers are coming, then turn it off. Now go read the book. Come back. But even after the Lord rulers overthrown the Scott and high born alike are like, now, we still need the obligators. Like, they’re the best bureaucrats. We’re going to need them anyways. And I really think they said that just because in their culture, it’s like these guys got face tattoos, so they’re ready for this. They’re prepared. So maybe face tattoos are going to take a turn in this culture. I don’t think you’re wrong. We do need a new world order of bureaucrats in this country. Maybe we start looking to the tattoo parlor, see who comes out with face tattoos, and just say you’re already pre qualified. We honestly can’t get much worse, so. Yeah, you’re not. I’m just glad you support me. It’s important. I’m getting a face tattoo in your honor. Yes. Thank you. It’s got to be around the eyes and like that. I also think what’s his name is a cool dude. Post Malone. Okay. Oh, sure. He’s got face tattoos. I saw him in 22 Savage. 21 Savage. One of the Savages. Wait, there’s multiple. I don’t know. Whatever. 21 Savage is absolutely terrible. But Post Malone came on and I was like, this is going to be awful, too. But he went up there, he could play guitar. He can actually sing. He can rap. I was like, oh, this dude’s actually pretty good. Face tattoos. Stock up also. I agree. I like how your first qualifier was like, he can play guitar. Well, he went up there and played Nirvana or someone or I forget what it was. Maybe like Pearl Jam and it was like, oh, shit. He’s like, playing a good rock song right now. It wasn’t just a dude that doesn’t have a ton of musical talent. He could clearly play music. Sure. He goes up there, wraps a song you’re like, okay, that’s totally understood. Next thing you know, he’s like, hey, anyone ready for Wonderwall? And you’re like, Whoa. What exactly? Okay, what else do you ever stock up? Hair of the dog. Stock up. After running for 16 straight hours, then and Kelsey are on pewter. Yeah. Pewter burning or what do they call it? Puner Lag. Peter Drag. Peter Drag. Peter Drag. Yeah. They basically have the worst hangover of all time. Just headaches for days. Tired of shit. This has been specifically because Kelsey is a champion. Used to just getting hammered, aka doing a lot of pewter. It sounds awful. But in the morning, she orders an ale at nine in the morning, and they’re like, Whoa, that’s a little early. But she’s like, I just got to do something. And it sounds like right after that, I guess they go to the square and they see people get killed right after that. But she doesn’t complain about it ever again. After that, you burn a little pewter. I have a little hair of the dog, a little hail. That solves the problem. And it sounds like that works. That’s what I’m hearing. So hair the dog is already a big stock up. But have yourself a little ale. Have yourself a pewter. Have little. Maybe a Bloody Mary. A little up and down. Oh, yes. Half champagne, half coffee. Yeah. I was actually wondering, from that day to Joseph six, is it hot coffee in champagne or are you drinking, like, cold iced coffee and champagne? Hot coffee just doesn’t make a ton of sense. A listener of the pod asked me, and they’re like, wait, people actually drink up and downs? That sounds disgusting. I was like, yeah, I I know. Don’t know. I think it has to be one glass of each next to each other. You don’t mix them? No, it’s mixed. That’s why it’s called an up and down. I think. I don’t think that iced coffee was a thing until the 90s. Right. I don’t think it was even a thing. Yeah. We have to ask Tucker, our guest, what he did when he recreated it. Billy done. We got to bring him down. We got to bring Billy Dunn back in the studio. Interesting. My next stock up is religion. So it’s kind of the conservative movement is pushing back. Like we need more religion back in our school systems and in our lives. And I feel like more often than not, people are pushing away from technology, science. These things are pushing people away from religion. I mean, both of us grew up in semi religious households. We were meta Knights or something. But I was an altar boy.

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Yeah, enough. So I’m good was God’s name. Pastor James. I first tried to be an altar boy, and I was just annoyed. I think there was like, too many girls doing this priest doesn’t give you enough attention. Yes, probably. And then I did it when I was probably like 14 because it was good for a high school resume builder or whatever. And one of the priests grabbed my wrist and told me I was doing something wrong. And I was like, don’t ever fucking touch me again. And then he was like, oh, this guy is a biter. I’m not going to come back and talk about it again. Groom you. Oh, wow. But yeah, religion, because in this book, it makes a good point about religions and how they’re started and whatnot. And just the idea tells you the whole time, which is a great aspect of this book, that he’s pretty much the whole time Heunes saves that are like talking bedtime stories about different religions and you’re not really thinking about it. It’s just, oh, this is a way that Brandon Sanders can expand on the world and explain different religions that have happened throughout the history because the terrorists hold on to these memories and whatnot. But then only at the end do you realize that Kelsey is trying to create his own religion type of thing with the sky with the purpose of creating a fire in their belly and making them overcome this fear they have of the Lord ruler. Just, hey, if you can supplant this guy with another Messiah type figure, then we might be able to actually win this thing. And I like that idea. It’s like Jesus, but without all of the hateful stuff that people have turned it into today. It’s like, okay, there’s just this guy who came around and sacrificed his life. I understand how Christianity got founded around that, if that’s actually the case. And that’s pretty much what Kelsey was going for. And it worked. It worked. Then all of a sudden he had profits in the street. I mean, it has a lot of Dune type corollaries where then all of a sudden these Apostles or whatever come out, tell everyone else that he’s got, and they’re like, yeah, okay, that guy must be God. But I found it to be quite interesting and actually put religion in a more tangible perspective. I think also most religions are derived from a place of good, and then they become something else. That’s just how it works. Yeah. And then you get Waco, Texas, like, oh, God gave us guns, and all of your wives are now mine. You ever watched that show with Timmy? Yeah, Timmy Rigging. They made it so you understood why someone would follow him. Because he was a super charismatic guy. Yeah, charismatic. Really smart. Because they had people they’re like MIT or Harvard type educated people that were following him. And you’re like, how the hell that ever happened? He probably had some sort of photographing memory. Yeah, he memorized the Bible. That’s insane. And then he was able to show his own interpretations to that. They were so perplexed. They were like, oh, my God, have sex with my wife. I also bet there’s a lot of drug use going on. And that was like, I don’t think so. No, that wasn’t allowed. No drinking, drugs, or anything. They probably put some stuff in the punch. Different culture. Jump into stock down, baby, stock down, being the loyal eunuch or just replace unit with anything. Friend, person, anything. No, let’s keep unit. Okay. But I don’t know if there’s much that’s I don’t think he’s being sold on the S MP 500 or the Dow Jones, the Nasaq. But at the end of the book, Allen comes with a few of his guards and frankly, just makes a pretty poor attempt to save him. He was never. I loved it. I loved it. He wasn’t going to do shit. He runs any event. Yeah. If she wasn’t out, he was never seeing her. She would just be deadly on the floor, buddy. It was like the three ninjas trying to save their grandfather. Okay, these guys had no business. We’re talking Tom, Tom, Rocky, Colt. Yeah, they were trained, but they’re children. They had no business beating up on some ninjas, and they still went in there and did it. So I get what Ellen was thinking. He might have seen the movie, but she sees him fighting, and she turns to him and says, you came back for me. No one has ever come back. No one, mind you, who’s sitting right next to her. Season. Season is literally standing right there. The guy that two minutes earlier broke you out of a jail. And then before that, saved your life in front of two steel inquisitors he fought off for you, which is, like, unheard of. But yes, he gets himself captured. First of all, he gets himself captured. They could just kill them. Yeah, who knows? They had no idea. He doesn’t know what a slap in the face. And my guys say that I was like, what the hell? Then? It’s funny you said that, because I thought about that, too when I was reading that part. And I was like, if there’s any part of this book that’s a meme, it’s this right now. Like, Herbie, I don’t know what meme it is, but just save his face as he’s a withered person because he doesn’t have any strength anymore for saving her for the second time. Yes. And it’s just like, what? I don’t need all the loving, but a little appreciation can go a long way. Also weird about that scene was when they explained the unique situation, like the physical situation, and she was like, where his twig and berries should be with just a scar. I always was under the interpretation that Unix were like castrated, but they still had pin us. Yeah, it’s a good question because otherwise, if you just have a scar, you don’t have a year retro. Like you need to pee out of something. Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, it was a throwaway thing, but it had me spinning. You cut your balls off dogs. They do it to dogs and they still hump things. So how does that work? Yeah, well, I think they just do that. That’s like a dominant thing. It’s not a sexual thing, but they also get erections. Yes, but it’s not like watching dog porn or something. It’s usually just wait, what’s that like DMA? Well, I mean, I put it on for my dog just to see what happens. It’s Paw patrol. That’s what I put on paw patrol. Okay. I just don’t understand the science. I like how you read 25 hours of book and you’re like, So what’s up with the digging balls? That’s my biggest question. Oh, I thought you spent 25 hours on something or 650 pages. You might as well be pretty specific at what’s being chopped off because it just doesn’t make sense that, well, when you watch The Unicorn tonight, get back to us. Let us know. Good God. Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones. That’s not in the book. Not Canon stockdown for me. It’s your boy Eden. All right, you on this podcast. It is in the ether. It’s on radio waves throughout the universe for history. You said Yiden was your boy. You were talking this guy up. Oh, he knows what’s going on. He’s a fucking kid. Oh, my fake news left and right here. I was like, wait, is he saying the name wrong? What is he talking about? No, you like you were all about. Yeah, he was my guy. And he goes all Leroy Jenkins with Kelsey’s Army. The second he gets in his hands from him, just decides to, oh, let’s go fuck up some Garrison somewhere. What, like you have an actual plan here? You’re not the mastermind. You’re peace. You don’t have a pawn, all right? You’re a Rook. Just be happy being a Rook, okay? Instead, he’s trying to be the Queen and he turns out dead. So he gets himself killed as long as the rest of the army almost screws up the entire plan. Which is fascinating considering that Kelsey are at the end. I mean, we might get into this, but his plan is like a plan within a plan within a plan. And Eden almost takes it all down by just deciding out of nowhere. That okay. Kelsey said. I’m a general. I’m going to go tax something even though there’s this huge plan. And it didn’t really make sense because earlier on he was talking about Scott lives, like how much Scott lives matter. And he was scared that the crew was just going to sacrifice all these scaffold to get the ATM and whatever. And then he just goes and does it on his own because he’s got a little bravado. It didn’t make a lot of sense to me. And also Eden like, total doink. Keith. I don’t know why you supported him in the first place. It would have made more sense if it was Eden was like kind of a Jock sniffer for him initially. I haven’t heard that term in a very long time. I was trying to think of the term brownnoser. Yes. I like, Jacksonville is Brown Noser just mean you stick on your nose in someone’s ass. Yeah, that’s kind of a common phrase. That’s a weird phrase to just be like, oh, yeah, this guy is fucking put his nose in this dude’s ass. It’s the charmelian to Charmander for butt kisser. So like, butt kisser would be the Charmander. And then the charmelian is there’s nothing wrong with butt kisser. Well, then your Brown knows it the next step. I don’t know what the third step is. I can surmise it. I called my boy. You didn’t care. I called him. Yeah. What else you got for stock down? I mean, this stock is going to be directly correlated to that, but Stock down Michael Jordan’s secret stuff. Have you seen the movie Space Jam? I have. Do you know the water bottle? Yes. So that’s called Michael Jordan’s secret stuff. So what basically happens in Space Jam? The epic film. We’re not talking about the sequel. I refuse to watch Canon, not Cannon. No. They’re all kind of down in the dumps. Don’t have the confidence. And Bugs Bunny, the brilliant Bugs Bunny, finds Michael Jordan’s water bottle puts this is Michael Jordan’s secrets of. This is why he’s such a good player and starts handing it out to the team and like, this is the stuff that’s going to make us better. That’s what Kelsey did. He basically went and was like, hey guys, if you’re with me, we’re going to have 11th medal. We’re going to have all this shit. Like, I’m going to fight with you. You’ll have powers if you just fight with me. Everyone’s all amped up. And that’s the reason they just thought they drink Michael Jordan’s secret stuff. And they were about to fucking take down the Goon squad. And it turns out they got their shit pushed in and they got slaughtered. So Stock down Michael Jordan’s secret stuff. Did you shit pushed in there too? You throw in training day references up. Wow, I’m blocking out the same thing. I don’t know what’s going on now. You went from training day to space jam. This is good. This is good. On Sequitur. I like it. I feel like there’s another maybe it’s like a Harry Potter thing or something along those lines. Well, it’s definitely a Matilda, but where someone uses their powers to influence another person in a scene and no one else knows what’s going on. So I don’t know if it’s choppy or not, but I liked it. It’s an interesting way to rile up a crowd to be like, oh, like this guy’s sapping some of my powers or whatnot. And it also shows within the universe itself, which I really like is how unknown a lot of this stuff is. So not only does the sky really not know what missing powers are, like, missborne powers, but even within the missing and miss born themselves, there’s these things that they just say that, oh, that’s the case. Like, there’s ten metals. And then it’s like, oh, wait, no, there’s more metals. Or when Kelsey didn’t think that anyone Besides the Lord ruler or whatnot could see through a copper cloud and Vin was like, no, I can do it. It’s fun that Brendan Centerson built this world and these boundaries, but then is constantly expanding upon their abilities. It’s fun because I feel like Star Wars didn’t really do this until the new ones. Also not Canon. Yeah, not Canon. But as far as it went, was like, the 6th can be Nikola Tesla and use electric stuff. It’s like, outside of that, then the non Canon ones are like, oh, the Asset can also clone everything and make a full army in this weird other part of the Galaxy that no one can see. Yeah. So I really did enjoy that, because even after reading this book, it’s like, okay, there’s more. There’s definitely more that we don’t even know that hasn’t been disclosed in terms of not only aluminum, but the rest of it with the missing kind of Changeling things and who knows what the terrorist men stuff is? I can’t remember that magic is called ferrochemist. Cool. I just kind of liked all that stuff. What else did you have for stockdown? Yeah, last one for me. Bling. Bling. Stock down. Wait, from Bumfights. Bling. Bling. No, I don’t know. That’s the little Wain line that he invented back in the day because Bling. Bling. Was a character in Bum fights who kept his crack pipe in his collar. Okay, a little different and referred to himself as a third person. I could have gone sat down, Frost yourself. Aka, I was a guy in ten days having top five rom.com. Jesus titty fucking Christ. Anyway, stock down. So wearing, like, metals, jewelry, any of that stuff watches. It’s the cool thing to do in our civilization and in this civilization, but it makes no fucking sense. Why would you ever wear it when people like Ms. Borns and Al Manson can just use it against you. Imagine doing that. It doesn’t make any sense. And that’s why I don’t wear much jewelry, because I’m just on the lookout. You’re waiting for someone to steal push you or steal push, you got to stay clean. You got to keep the watches off. I guess. I have a phone in my pocket, though. You take the Prince Albert out anytime you leave the house? No, it’s in my body. So it doesn’t count. No. There are Lords that’s like your Lord ruler. Lord ruler armbands. Yeah, exactly. It’s in. That’s how I keep the memory. And it’s strong. It grows in strength, if you know what I mean.

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Yes, and I did enjoy that aspect of it, too, in terms of they said the Lord really keeps his medal on him. It has, like, a dual purpose where then all the nobles. Yeah, all the noblemen, like, wear the stuff so it enticed them each to kind of fight each other into, like, see each other’s weaknesses. Whatnot? Whereas it’s actually all just a ruse on his part to focus them off if they ever potentially saw the metal in his arms. Because that would then be the focus where instead it’s all like a deception. It’s a magic trick. Where then it’s like, okay, even if they saw that, it’d be like, oh, it’s just another piece of metal he has on them. Well, we’ve stocked up. We’ve stocked down. I’d like to talk a little bit about our favorite scene. We didn’t touch on this in the first app. We did on Miss Born. So I don’t know if you had anything from the first half of the book or really focusing on the second half of the book. I personally for the first half of the book, I liked the Vin learning about the metals part when she first goes out with Kelsey and he’s explaining it to her. It’s just good exposition. And I love those parts of the book where especially in a fantasy book like this, where there’s magic involved, where it’s setting up the magic and really explaining through them. I don’t know about you, but I always go back and listen to those again if I’m listening. And then the good part about this actual physical book, like I talked about on the last Pod, is that at the end of the book, it explains the magic in itself, like, what all the metals do, or at least the known metals. So I always love a good exposition part, but I’m not sure that was my favorite. I really did, like, Vin murdering channel Ariel. That was fun. And the thing I love about Vince fights, she’s obviously a prodigy. She’s a complete stud, there’s no question. But it’s not one of those things where it’s like a Jedi push or whatever, when they’re both pushing at each other and one pushes the other one more. It’s not like just like a sheer force of will or power. She’s using cunning and smarts to do this stuff. So with the inquisitors, she wraps the metal around the arrow tips so that when they push the metal, it’s like, no, the arrows are still flying, like genius. And then with Shan, she just very simply stops burning her ATM to make Shan feel like, okay, she’s not an ATM. It’s like, no got a little left and uses that to kill her, which I appreciate. Double arrow stabbed through the chest. It just seemed like it was a really cool scene. I think audible mention that could be number one is the Kelsey Inquisitor battle at the end. Because I just feel like that would be just a completely epic scene. That was my number one by far. Okay. Yeah. And the way it was written was really fun, too, because it was long. It was a drawn out battle. I felt like. But it didn’t feel chaotic. I felt like I knew what was happening. It was one of those ones where you’re seeing it in your head, bouncing off the wall, throwing stuff at each other. It’s like, okay, cool, I’m seeing it. So that’s your favorite scene? Yeah, we’ve referenced Matrix before already, but that was the Matrix scene of like, sometimes you got to choose to fight certain battles, even if you know you’re going to lose the subway fight. No. Where he’s like, I’m going back in. And they’re like, you can’t go back and you’ll get killed to go save more, right? Oh, it’s our people in there. All right, let’s fucking go. And they’re like, you’re going to get killed. There’s so many people in there. He’s like, no, I don’t give a shit. Let’s go. And like him telling Vince, hey, sometimes you got to do this for your friends. It doesn’t matter. That resonated too. And I was pissed that Vin to actually go in there and fight. I guess you kind of. Well, DOX was kind of holding her back. I mean, granted, she was doing to hold me back. Like, I want to go in there. Hold me back, hold me back, hold me back. Yeah. There’s nothing that she would have stopped her if she actually wanted to. Yes, that was definitely my favorite. I also do think that to your point, if I were writing this is what makes good writers. If I were writing an action scene, I’d be like, all right, then I shot that guy, and then I turned to the left and I shot another guy, and then I killed this other guy. He writes it, and it’s this long, drawn out battle, but you’re imagining it. And he does a very good job of you’re not just focused on these two guys, because I feel like that can be hard visually. When you’re reading a book like this, it’s like, oh, these two people are fighting and you don’t really have a sense of what’s happening in the background a lot of times, but because he includes a lot of the background stuff in there, but in a very streamlined way, it just made it super fun to read or listen to because you saw the whole street, you saw that whole thing. Erupting. And I actually equated that to the subway scene in The Matrix because that’s when they’re like, run and he starts to run away, and he turns around and it’s like, no, because the steel inquisitors kind of are like, Agent, that’s your point? And so he’s like, no, I’m going to fight. And even Kelsey said he’s always wanted to actually fight a steel Inquisitor which it ends with him killing him, which was super cool. Really great stuff. Hate love what you love. Yes. I like, Chelsea are pulling a JC or an Obiwan Kenobi and martyring himself. I appreciate it. Oh, Jesus Christ. Got you. Yeah. Wait, is this a spoiler for the Obiwan Kenobi? What do you mean, martyred himself? He didn’t. Yeah, but it also is kind of a question, though I had is to become a martyr. Is that the least egotistical thing you can do or the most egotistical thing you can do? You know what I mean? I want to be a God, but if you’re not ever getting appreciated for it, I think that’s not an ego thing, but also at the same time to be like, I’m a God. It has such a debate in my head on that. What is that? Yeah, well, I guess it depends on where you’re coming from, because this is interesting because Kelsey knew what he was getting into, whereas Joan of Arc, for instance, ended up getting burned at the stake. I don’t think she knew that she was going to become a martyr, but then, like, did. Is that the difference whether, you know, like, oh, I’m going to live on forever because of this. Whereas Joan of Arc was like, I died. Was Joan of Arc religious? I can’t remember because I feel like you’re doing it all before to be, like, good in heaven, then it’s not. Then that’s an ego thing. And it’s like, okay, whatever. I’m doing this because I think I’m going to go to heaven. I’m not a huge history person when it comes to the John Arc situation. I don’t know what John Ark is. She on Noah’s Ark. I don’t even know what that is. I think there was a Hillary Swank movie where she played John Hark. Then I saw, but from my understanding, a very young girl who led an army somehow because she was like, a complete religious zealot and then ended up getting captured and burned at the stake. It sounds different than Million dollar baby that I remember, but that’s not the billion dollar baby I know. Either way, she became a martyr, that’s for sure. But a lot of martyrs, I feel like in history didn’t plan on it. They had a passion that they were going for and got murdered because of it. I don’t think they were trying to spur whatever Kelsey was doing. So I’m going to go with not egotistical. Yeah. Okay. My first love is a real good twist, and there’s a few of them at the end of this book. So many of the books we read, the twists seem forced, especially the Ya ones where they’re like, well, we need a twist in here somewhere. I think that’s a factor of one us reading a lot of young adult books where they kind of force a twist to be cool and other ones where it’s like a thriller and you’re just waiting for the twist. And it’s also like a twist, as expected. So it’s almost by the time you get it, you’re just waiting for it to not fulfill you because it’s like, okay, you’re expecting this big thing, and it’s not that big. And I kind of wish those thrillers were rebranded in a way that weren’t supposed to be so twisty, because then when a twist comes, you’d feel a little better about it. Right? Like getting a present not on Christmas. It just feels better to get three presents on Christmas. You’re like, that wasn’t enough, but I just liked the twisted design because they didn’t really need them. The book was good on its own, and then the twists come one being like, Marsh actually became a steel Inquisitor. That was crazy because I was wondering, who the fuck is this other guy? At the end? I was like, there’s a sympathetic steel Inquisitor. Oh, shit. Like, Marcia’s back came from the dead. Super cool. And especially for the way this was set up in the first act as, like a heist book in all Heist movies. I feel like this happens where something goes wrong, whatever. But it was actually planned that way. And we’re thinking back to the Oceans movies and whatnot for it to be? The fact that Kelseier committed the ultimate sacrifice of getting himself killed, but had everything else pretty much set, knowing what was going to happen going forward. It was like, oh, that’s a sweet twist, too. So I’m trying to think of some other ones, but there was a few more, and I just thought that the way he did it, it wasn’t like, oh, twist is coming up. It wasn’t Lord Ruler being like, Vin, I’m your father. That would have been too trophy. Yeah. This is like a super trophy. No, there’s these other things that happened that were twists but weren’t forced. Actually came out of nowhere. Very enjoyable. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. I was firing off. These are just quick ones. Remember the old book? I remember reading this when I was in elementary school, but a woman wears a scarf, and if she ever takes it off, her head falls off. Yeah, I think that’s why was that? A kid’s scary stories to tell in the dark, right? No, I don’t remember. But I just remember reading that when I was in, like, second or third grade being like, Holy shit, is that real? Is that true? It was like a book of scary stories, right? Woman pops are sitting, a bunch of spiders come out. Okay. Yeah, that sounds right then, yeah. They’re all small short stories. I feel like it was a huge book for elementary schools all across the country, because any time this comes up, because I talked about it with my girlfriend, because I was like, have you read this? Of course. And everyone remembers a different story from in there. But whether they remember one story or another store, everyone remembers the cover, which is the guy’s head that’s like in profile with pipe or something coming out of his mouth and like a red nose. But anyways, the reason I brought that up is because that’s basically what happens when the metal things come off of the Lord ruler. What? His head just collapsed. He just basically, like, shrivels and becomes. I think the same thing happens in Game of Thrones, too. But he just basically loses everything and he dies. That’s what’s holding him together. Oh, yeah. When they saw his body afterwards, like, it was all shriveled up and whatnot I was just thinking Voldemort in the train station when Harry dies, just like Voldemort under a bench. I also liked how Vin described running. Obviously running a long distance, but he’s like, I just want to die. This is the worst thing ever. And I’m, like, feel that run like a mile and a half the other day. And I was like, yes, why? Same thing? No, I just need to do something out of the house. And it’s just like, running sucks. Running horrible. I would rather do anything than run. I’d much rather play basketball for 2 hours and just continuously run than run for 15 minutes. Oh, for sure. Billion percent. So I had a couple to the crew. I just love the crew. I thought it was a cool idea how you have a Heist movie. And usually in a Heist movie, at least the ones that in today’s age, it’s like, okay, there’s the wheelman, there’s the mechanic, there’s the Smarty guy who figures out the plan. There’s all these things where in this book it was different magical powers. Like, oh, this guy has this power that he can use. And this guy Burns metal in this way that he can use, whether it be soothing or Ham with his strength, the burning pewter. And then, like, Kelsey is the mastermind. But there’s also Marsh, who’s, like, doing his infiltration thing. I love the specialist aspect of that, too, where they’re like an expert in the field. It’s pretty cool. Exactly. It’s almost like one of those old video games you’d play with your friends where it’s like, okay, everyone picks a different class or something like that like gauntlet Legends. I’m the warrior, you’re the mage. That person is the elf. That kind of thing. Old video games, that’s everything. All the video games now are like that. One other thing I love is that you can enjoy and Miss Born as a standalone book. I think that’s super important because it’s a 25 hours long book or 579 pages, whatever the case is a very small type. So if you read a book like that and it leaves a huge cliffhanger and the next book is just as long, it’s a little bit frustrating because you’re then stuck in a position where, okay, well, now I have to go and read the other book. And usually by the time you read that next book, you kind of forgot what all those important plot points were. Where Miss Born itself. I feel fulfilled reading that book. I feel like I just read a fucking epic story. But I do want more. There’s no question I’m very interested in what continues to happen in this universe. But I don’t feel like, okay, I have to read it right now or I’m going to forget whatever. It’s like, no, I get the beats and I’m ready to go. Thank you, Ms. Born. You’ve done your job, and now I can move on. So I feel like a lot of these times you don’t get that situation. So I appreciate that. Yes, that was my biggest gripe with the trilogy we started. Oh, the Hawthorne one. No, because that was. I mean, Hawthorne definitely had that. That’s terrible. No, the other epic fantasy one we read there. Oh, the fifth season. Yeah, that was my biggest season. Literally nothing happened. It ended. And I was like, okay, now I remember the last line, have you ever heard of the moon? Which the moon has not been said one time in the whole book before that point. And I was like, So you just ended a book. Nothing answered. Nothing happened in this book. And now you’re just saying, okay, the next book is going to have a whole different plot. It’s like, what? I’m still pissed you don’t say. The only love I have left, by the way, was just say Zed was basically a giver. Give powers and tell stories and stuff like that. I was like, oh, that’s kind of sick. But anyways, well, he was a giver without the diddling giver. Diddling people 100%. I remember really liking that book. I don’t know. Now the boys had to come into his lair, take all their clothes off, and then he put their hands on them and they saw visions. Yeah, sounds about right. Pretty sure it was. Diddling them. Okay, okay. Makes a lot of sense. Too much sense. Yeah. For hate. For me, the spook and Vin relationship. I don’t know if you heard this also in it, but it was just basically Forrest Gump and Jenny’s relationship. I’m not a smart man, but I know what love is that’s what it was, right? She’s like, I’ve got to let this artwork down a little bit. I’m going to break the news to him. Is he dumb like me? I got to let this guy that’s fear to me down a little bit. So I’ll let him know. Yes. I felt bad for Spook because he was super talented, Teney or whatever. And they really just made him seem like a dollar. And everyone just kind of shot on him. Yeah. They didn’t say, can you speak our language? They said, can you speak normal? I was like, it’s kind of ethnocentric. Yeah. He grew up in a different place. He’s got his own thing. If you went into Louisiana and they were like, talking by you, talk to you, you wouldn’t be like, speak English. I don’t understand. Can you elaborate? Well, it’s more like he speaks Spanish. They’re like, hey, speak normal. It’s like I speak a different language. What do you mean? No, it wasn’t that. He had, like, a dialectic thing. He was talking like, Yoda, he was talking. No, but he had a lot of different words. That it, didn’t he? I don’t know. Maybe he wasn’t like he was just speaking words out of order. You had other words that meant other things. Either way, they just did not show enough love for Spook and also just didn’t really feel like it needed to be a love thing. And I don’t really have any hates for this book. A lot of people I feel like, didn’t like, from what I gathered, the love story between Ben and Allen, the Spooky, I didn’t really understand it just didn’t seem that necessary. Just the youngest people in the crew and spooks about it. You could have shaved off a couple of hours there and just not worried about it. But the Allen one was totally fine. It didn’t bother me at all. And I didn’t find it to be like, trophy. Like, oh, girl from the slums has to dress up in a ball and do that thing. Yeah, that makes sense. This is part of the story. And her, like, doing that Ellen stuff. Great. And I’m sure it adds more to the next book. Did you have any other hates? Marsh turns into a steel Inquisitor. Right. And then he doesn’t know all the powers yet. He just got them, right. Sure. I don’t know how that works. I think they grant him all these powers. I don’t really get it. But, yeah, I think the process of him becoming a steel Inquisitor. Yeah. Allows him to get. But then he kills all seven of the other steel inquisitors, like one V seven. A brand new steel Inquisitor. I was like, yeah, it feels like you’d be able to get away with pulling out someone’s like the first one spike. Right. But then after that, there’d be like six turn on you and be like, I guess because they were saying they’re all passed out or something because they’re so tired. Yeah. I think they need to explain that a little bit. Like they needed to be in March’s head for maybe five minutes just to understand what we went on there, because I was like, wait, what? Yeah. And the narrative did jump around from whose point of view we were going from. So it would have been nice to get a Marsh chapter, although it would have spoiled the reveal when he saves Vin. But I do think that would have been interesting. Yeah. I also think when the new society is built, the people that are in power now shouldn’t just be staying power and continue. They should have to be scarred for like three years. And then you’re like, okay, now you’re back. You need some quality there, right? You can’t just be like, oh, yeah, these guys that kind of mistreated us for 20 years. Yes. They’re going to stay there no big deal. It’s like that’s going to breed resentment. The obligators, you’re saying? Yeah. Oh, they know more. Why do you think they know more? Because they’ve been fucking the ones doing it the whole time. Like being assholes. That doesn’t make their better. They’ve just basically allowed this to go on forever. So why would we give them more power? Which is why I’m interested in book two, because how is Allen going to deal with this? Because obviously the Scott aren’t just going to be like chill being Scott anymore. So how’s the society actually going to function? And I feel like those things will be addressed in the second one. So I agree. But I’m also interested to see how it plays out. Let’s just quickly break down. We put some predictions out there last time in the first part, and it may have sounded stupid, we don’t know. But we got some predictions. We got some lingering questions that are still around after having the second part as well. So I guess I’ll start off I asked if originally if Vin was Neo or is she Vader, that kind of thing? I don’t think she’s Vader. She’s definitely closer to Neo, but it almost opens up more questions at the end. Where is Vin the same as the Lord ruler? Like, is she part Alamancer and part Pharaoh chemist? Because she’s able to do a lot of the stuff the Lord ruler is, but doesn’t really understand how. And the reason why I think she might be this part Ferrochemist situation is because she has that earring from her mom that they keep referencing and she puts back in her ear, and the Pharaoh come as can store memories and objects. Right. That’s the thing. So what if within this earring is some memories that her mom is shared with her? Yeah. Or she’s taking strength from it or something. No, because I feel like it has to be a memory thing. I don’t think that’s necessarily wrong, but I just feel like that’s one of those things where she understands how to actually unlock the safe which is when she finds that out like the ferry chemistry stuff we’re kind of led to believe that she may be this savior they’ve been looking for. Right because the first guy who died I can’t remember what the Lord will is real name was but he took it from him so they also kind of alluded to that there will be another hero potentially. Yeah that’s probably thin but definitely more Neo than Vader. So we’ll go there. What did you have for any predictions? My actually first one was Venisonio Grey Man. Why? Because when we read Greyman in the span of 72 hours he doesn’t sleep, he travels like across twelve European countries he gets shot, he gets tortured, he’s getting stoned up while he’s driving he’s just basically never lose a blood transfusion. No he’s just going all out for the 2 hours Ben gets in that fight with the steel and Quizzard then she’s out for like three months and I was like Gray man would not do this shit Grayman would be out the next day like fighting them again we can’t have this Neo same thing so I was a disappointed you got to get off the men there and get back in best ability is availability. Yeah for sure if you’re on the bench it’s next man up you might never see her. Exactly right but she’s 16 so we’re going to give her the 1617 we’re going to give her the benefit of the doubt. She’s new but I am fascinating to see what happens with her powers because obviously she’s an Anakin kind of situation. What else do you have for analyst predictions? Whatever we already talked about but yeden your boy betrayed but he also betrayed them so I knew there was something off with him you can’t trust to eaten get him out of here. See you later. You said you loved him listen back this is low hanging fruit so I’m not going to Pat myself on the back on this but I said Vin as well as renew is going to get it going with the Venture air and I guess that was really set in looking back it seems very obvious and he was too nice of a guy. I was thinking that there was going to be like him turning on her the way Rein did or something like that and I liked even though it was like kind of contrived in trophy the idea that Rein held out at the end and didn’t give her up that kind of stuff but I thought that one I got it right but I’m not taking any points for it. I also had what the F is a missed rate and we did get some insight not only how the missed rates are formed which you kind of got in the first half but also that there’s these Changeling type creatures that are related to miss rates that can assume people’s bodies and kind of become them. But they’re also like your servants. They hire themselves out and also that the mists themselves were like chicken and the egg. Ms. Born brought myths and not vice versa, where the myths are reactive to them. So I feel like we’re going to get a lot more with that kind of lore, and I am excited for that. Yeah, I agree. Do you have any other stuff? Other one was, I think I had said, the best metal to have. If you only could choose one. It’s clearly pewter. You’re right. So I was definitely wrong on that because I didn’t realize you could just burn it first and run for 16 hours and just like, crush. I was like, oh, wait, what? I thought it was like something that burned really quickly. No, I said tinker used for a little bit. Oh, did you? I said tinker King was sensitive. Yeah. Okay. Computer was like, essentially fly. It sounds like cut down on travel time. You could basically be a car yourself. I was like, oh, that’s pretty legit. I’d take that. Now. The running thing would be pretty spectacular. I mean, I don’t play five on five basketball anymore. I really never did. But it’s really one of those things where especially playing pickup ball, people aren’t conditioned. Like, no one’s conditioned for basketball. And you might even be good in the first five minutes, but after that, you’re really just running on fumes and just trying to survive. So if you are able, even if you sucked at basketball, if you’re just able to stay in that conditioning level and be that absolute Dick who’s playing defense the whole time, like heavy defense and not taking any plays off. I only play defense. I take plays off an offense. That’s what you got to be doing. Okay. Yeah. Because you can’t shoot. That makes sense, you know what I’m saying? It’s just like, Peter would be a fun one to have. Although then you’d have, like, a hangover for the next. Imagine if you played basketball 100% for like 2 hours, then you came home. You’re like, oh, my God, I just PewDiePie. You get the day off the next day. That’s what NBA. You know, maybe they’re all taking pewter. Yeah. Wow. Is it a bad substance? Last year over the cast in the movie. I think I previously said that someone had bought the rights get passed along. Now it’s in the hands of that guy who wrote that terrible movie. It’s like F. Scott Fitzgerald, but it’s not or something. D. Scott Fitzgerald. Yes. You can’t do that name if you’re that close to it. No, it is F. Scott Frazier. Oh, F. Scott Fraser. That’s way too close to the other guy’s name. You can’t do an F. Scott. Either way, it seems like this guy’s going to need some help. So let’s help him cast the movie. Keith, who do you got? I’m assuming you have some top players here, Kelsey. I did Hugh Jackman. Little old Kelsey is supposed to be like, all right. He’s supposed to be like 35. Yeah, I like him still. You Jackman. I mean, he’s the Wolverine. He basically doesn’t age, so it’s fine. Yeah, he’s the greatest showman. Yeah. Okay. I had Daniel Kaluya from most notably Get Out Fame, I guess. Okay. And I thought he was the perfect match of the right age range. Good looking, but not like, strikingly good looking, where it’s like, oh, this guy’s just, like, too hot to trot because I feel like so many of the actors that you would potentially go with are like, he’s sexy, which I don’t think Danny Collie is an unattractive man whatsoever, but I think he’s the right level of attractiveness where it’s not like his skills and his ability to move people aren’t based on his looks. It’s based on his charisma and his talent. So I think he’d be really good as Kelsey. I was thinking Kelsey would be more of like a father figure. So they’d cast him as an older guy because he basically needs to be a father to a 16 or 17 year old, right? Yeah, but he’s not a father. He’s more of like, an older brother. That also he has, like, Peter Pan type syndrome where the seriousness of the world hasn’t yet weighed down on him. He’s still a little fun, risky, happy, but the world is basically way down on him. But he’s just like, they can’t take away my smile or something like that. I think that’s true. I feel the older you get, the more it’s supposed to be like he’s a wise person and he’s seen stuff where he’s really just not quite there yet. But that was my take. Did you have Ven? Yes. Again, we get to that. Like, it’s a 16 or seven year old girl. I didn’t know it Bobby Brown. I mean, you can’t go wrong with anything. No, that checks out. Actually. She’s basically playing the same role in Stranger Things. Yeah, I’ve seen all the previews for it, so I think it was just like, you got to do it. I don’t hate that at all, actually. I think that might be better than mine, but I went with Caitlin Derr. Have you seen Booksmart? No. Oh, good movie. You should check that out. She’s in Booksmart. She’s in that dope six show on Hulu and another Netflix series. She’s a little older, but I feel like she’s younger looking and could totally fill the part of someone who doesn’t really know what’s going on, but then becomes like a super beast, which is what Vin is. Yeah, it makes sense. You had seize it, you said, right? Yeah. I’m going to Butcher this name. Jaimon Hansu. Jamon Hansu. He’s the dude from Blood Diamond. He’s probably played this role a bunch times, but I feel like he plays like the wise kind of all knowing dude. That’s kind of also reserved. I can dig it. I didn’t have to say that. But I did have a Lord ruler and I just said Josh Brolin. I mean, maybe it’s because he’s what’s his name in the Avengers series. That’s what I thought of him. Or maybe because I just saw him on Hot Ones, but I feel like he’s the right age range and also he could do the voice and the right level of strength and presence that I thought he’d be a great Lord ruler. I was thinking Jared Leto. That’s what I was imagining. My mind. What do you get for reader email? You’ve got mail Lizzy from Rancho Santa Fe, California. Rancho Santa Fe. In order to get your elementic powers, you must Snap aka, I’m reading this from the email, so I should be able to read it quickly. You can’t read. That’s why you listen to books. Yeah. You have a Snap aka have a death defying experience to get your powers so they don’t unlock until you have some sort of experience like that. However, the nobility live in luxury, so how is it possible that they’re snapping and getting these powers thoughts on that? Well, I want your thoughts first. Sure. I think that maybe in the next book that they’re similar to a Red Rising, that they send them to a school death defying experience and that’s only the best nobility come away with. That right. That’s a good point. And only the best people are then granted nobility. Yeah. Like if you were at the Choosing or something like that from Red Rising. Yeah. Like the first thing where they walk me over there, it’s like if someone’s about to break your neck, you might just snap right then. Right. And they’re like, okay, now whose powers are more greater? Well, I think they address this in the book and they said that they can do for Snaps, so they have beaten basically like Ms 13 or something like that. So other nobility just like beat the crap out of someone. And if they snap, then it’s like, oh, good. And if they don’t, it’s like you’re a little bit. So it seems like everyone’s had. Yeah. Okay. I guess the answer is that. All right, so let’s get into the most important part. Keith, would you recommend Miss Bourne, The Final Empire? Yeah, for sure. I think all the points you said earlier, great fantasy novel. Doesn’t feel like it’s a 25 hours book, easy to get into, even though there is a lot of deep thought into the world itself. You could probably pick up this book in the middle of the book and kind of figure it out from there. It’s not like you need all this huge background. You don’t need all this huge understanding of lore fantasy to get it. So I thought it was a great novel. Like you mentioned Brandon does a good job of writing a complete novel that says, oh, if there’s a sequel, great, I want to read it. But you don’t need a sequel in order to appreciate the book itself. Yeah. Couldn’t agree more. I think this is a great intro to fantasy at a longer page length or whatnot if you’re ready for a bigger book. So if you read some of the other books we’ve read, like Enders Game or something, which is definitely a Ya Sci-Fi situation, but you wanted to get more into the fantasy realm. I don’t think we’ve read any real fantasy novels, I guess, Besides the fifth season, right? Yeah. That one was like a ten in terms of getting into. I think that was too much. Yeah. No, for sure. I want to keep it at seven and a half. And there’s like the Neil Gaiman ones, which are like technically fantasy, but they’re pretty much set in the real world. It’s just fantastical elements. Right. So I think in a strict fantasy world, this is a really good book to kind of decide I’m going to go all in and just go for it. And I think if you read this one, I mean, I downloaded after your suggestion, like The Clash of Kings or whatever that one is. Oh, Jeez. And that’s 45 hours long. But because I read this book, I was like, okay, well, that 45 hours is going to go really quick and it’s going to be super fun and enjoyable. It’s a great road trip book. Like, if you were doing a long road trip, that one, you just put it on and you’re like, yeah. The fact that reading this book enticed me to download a 45 hours long book just shows how much I liked it. So I’m excited for part two. I’m hoping that maybe we do the well of Ascension on a feature podcast. We’ll see if people want to hear that. But I like, it. Cool. Before we leave, Marsh says there are two things. I’ll never forgive Kelsey for stealing my dream of overthrowing the Final Empire. And then Vince says, and the second, Connie’s circus folk. Nomads, you know, smell like cabbage. Small hands.

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There’s two things I don’t stand in people. People that are into others. And the duck. Is that what it is? Something like that comes to the first one where he says, there’s two things I’m afraid of, and one is nuclear war, and then stop. So I was like, what’s the other? Excuse me, what’s the other thing that scared you, Connie? Yeah. But when Marsh said that, it was so good because he was like, there’s two things I’ll ever give Kelsey for it does. This whole stealing the junior over there in the final bar, and then pauses. So it’s like, what? And I immediately in my head was like, Connie’s second smoke. Wait was a second. I don’t remember. It was like, Kelsey or dying. I thought it was him stealing away his wife. No, it was like stealing my dream and then also dying. I think that was the real answer. That’s what she said. Yeah, I like it. All right. Well, either way. Great book. I’m glad we did it. It’s going to be highly ranking on buddybookhop.com so go there to find our top five. Top ten. I don’t know exactly what’s out there, but coming up next, what do we have? We’re going literary. Yeah. Lord of the Flies William Golding. It’s interesting because it’s obviously a huge book in schools and whatnot and that’s when we read it. I don’t know if I read it or if I just kind of followed along with what the class was doing, but we’ll jump into some actual literary deep dives or at least that’ll be a section. There’s no chance I’ll it. We do that on every book. Yeah, well, Keith to another get up, Ms. Bourne. I’m glad we read it and thanks for pushing me there. And I guess until next time. Bye now. Bye now.

The Buddies enter into the Mistborn Saga as they read the first half of Brandon Sanderson’s epic fantasy novel: Final Empire. This episode was a bit off the rails as the Buddies jumped around a lot and literally discussed how trains should be off rails. They broached many other topics as well including the religion of Ja (Morant), trilogies, noticeable colors and many more non sequiturs. Jump on board the train to crazy town and come predict what is next for Kelsier and Vin.

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Listener Mail (45:30-52:02)
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All right. Welcome Buddy Book Club. I’m Dylan here with the rider to my soother Keith. What’s up, buddy? Hello there. You see, you’re the rider. Because last episode when you went all misogynist and I had to speak for cut that part. It’s a joke. Check out the last episode. It wasn’t that bad. You also talked a big game, like you were horrible. And you know what? You’ve got to be nicer to yourself. It’s 2022. All right. Well, here at the Buddy Book Club, we’re breaking down some best sellers. And this week we’ll be discussing Missed Born, The Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson, first novel of the Missed Born trilogy. If you’d like to recommend a book for us to read or reach out to us about any past episodes, you can visit our website, Buddybook.com, or sign to our DMs on Twitter or Instagram Buddy Book Podcast. You can listen to us on Twitter, itunes, Spotify, so please download and subscribe. I was going to say you listed us on Twitter. Fuck. So we’re doing this book in two parts. This is Miss Born part one. It’s a beast of a book. That’s pretty much why we’re splitting it up. It’s 647 pages of the tiniest type when you ask me. Or should we split it up? I looked at the book because I had the physical copy. Thank you, my friend John Elkin. And I was like, we could do this in one thing. And I opened up the first page and I looked at my girlfriend, I was like, I might need a magnifying class. The type is so small. I hate that. I hate that when it’s a huge book and the type is so small because you also sit down and read it and you get, like, what you read for like a half hour. It’s like I read ten pages. What the fuck? It’s also a 25 hours long audio book. And there’s a lot of world building, which we love, but that’s why we’re breaking it up. Yeah. Any book that has parts in it, you know, you’re in for something. The holes didn’t have parts, but they should have. It was a long book, too. That was like a four hour book. It would be great if holes like part one and then the end of the book. There’s never a part two. That was it. So Sanderson made headlines recently by raising $42 million on Kickstarter when his goal was 1 million. It was for, I think, like, three or four books that he had written that were just kind of collecting cobsweb on the shelf or just stuff that he was kind of working on the side that turned out to be stuff that he liked. So you can kind of through the Kickstarter, you can get those books and then, like some additional swag. And he was looking to raise a million and raise 42 million. It’s insane. Kids with terminal diagnosis on Kickstarter do not get that yet. This guy who is going to release some not super important books. Boom. Got it. Fortunately, million dollars. You could make a movie with that much money. Like a good movie. I was thinking too, because Avatar is coming out and you see that Avatar two, three, four, and five are coming out. I was like, he’s got to bring on Brandon Sanderson because Brandon Sanderson would write that shit up and it would be awesome and he’d write it in two months. I did not know that. Three movies are coming up. Four movies are coming up there’s. Part two, three, four, and five. Oh, Holy smokes. We go to the IMBD page to see James Cameron. Yeah. His next movies. They’re all already listed. I don’t know. That is due to Bran Sandstone. But then you bring my boy in there to write these. They’d be legit if he did. Yeah. I’m actually kind of surprised. So you have read a Sanderson book before, correct? I’ve read a few. I’ve read The Way of Kings, so I’ve read two of those. You think this is big? Those are 50 hours plus and they fly by. You don’t even realize. I also listen to the audiobook. Obviously those fly by. And then I also read Skyward Way. The Kings in this book are very similar, but Skyward is completely different. I would have no idea that he’s written by the same person. Yes, I knew he was big in the fantasy realm but had never read anything. And then my friend John was like, you got to read Ms. Born. Hence why I started reading this book like four times. And I totally understand people that may be listening to it or like, I can’t get into it. Whatever the case is, force it upon yourself. Pull Jerry. What’s that guy’s name? The Penn State guy? Jerry Zendesky Forestry. Force yourself upon this book in the shower, out of the showers. Doesn’t matter because so far I’m really enjoying it. I’m going to do a libation. We’re kind of doing a different setup for this episode because it’s a two parter. So we’re going to kind of skip love hate. We’ll definitely get to that in round two. But I’m keeping the libation because of Camden’s wine that was referenced. And apparently Dachshund says he has socks more expensive than it, which I appreciate because I only drink shitty wine. And I figure like a Bota box, which is like $15 for four bottles of wine. You do quick math. I don’t know. That’s like $3. That’s a pair of socks right there. So Botobox is Camden’s wine. And also it’s not bad. It’s delicious. So I don’t know, maybe Docs has really expensive socks or something. But Camden’s wine, aka Bota box. Delicious. I’ll enjoy some libation while you’re enjoying some coffee. All right, let’s jump into the stock up. Stock down. We read through part two. So if you’re following along, we’re going to stop at part two. There won’t be any spoilers because I haven’t read any further. Yeah. If you want to read along, read up to part two and then you can join in if you’ve already read the whole thing. Sweet. Listen to this and then you can tell us how much idiots we are for our predictions. Yes, exactly. Tell us how dumb we are. All right, Keith, what do you got for stock up? These are going to be a little sillier, but that’s okay. So stock up. First one. John Moran, NBA player for the Memphis Grizzlies. Superstar. So this book was written in 2006, but Brandon Sanderson knew about Jaw. He was already scouting them. He knew who he was. In fact, it’s a whole religion in the book. The religion of John. So he references it in the book. What’s his name references. Yes, references it in the book, but it’s one of the many religions. And I thought it was kind of funny that people outside the faith became frustrated with even speaking to Jaws AK people that like John Morant since they added the phrase praise be to Jaw at the end of every sentence. And if I’m a Grizzly fan, I start doing that literally. I’m just taking that from this book and I’m just saying praise be to Joe literally every sentence that involves him. Stock up for that. Grizzly fans. We know we have a lot out there, a lot of people from Memphis that listen to the pod. So take that with you and you’re welcome. That’s like how Seattle fans adopted that fish song. There’s a fish song. Maybe it’s too soon but there’s a fish song where they go Wilson, Wilson. And it just became a thing at Sea Ox games. And I’m sure a lot of people don’t even know that there’s anything to fish but Tom Hanks Wilson or that maybe he was just in castaway. Russell Wilson, do you remember him? Rtm Russell the Muscle. Yeah, Russell the muscle manmussel. My first stock up is Trilogies. So I’ve heard that all bad things come in threes, but I’m a positive person. So don’t good things come in threes, too? I mean, we got the original Star Wars. The rest are not Canon, except for maybe Revenge of the Sith. We got The Lord of the Rings. We got Austin Powers. We got Christopher Nolan’s Batman series. We got God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. We got Twig and Berries. I mean, there’s Unending wonderful trilogy. And the Miss Born series is a trilogy. We’re obviously only on the final Empire. There’s also well of ascension and heroes of the ages. So also on top of that, probably more importantly on top of Trilogies, is that Brandon Sanderson didn’t pull one of these things that a lot of other fantasy novelists do where they’re like, this is a trilogy, but I’m going to write one. The second one is going to come out five years later. The third one is still in the works. The final Empire, well of Ascension, here, the ages all came out in three consecutive years. Just like Lord of the Rings, the movies. 20 06, 20 07, 20 08 boom, boom, boom. We’re still waiting. I don’t know if you’ve read King Killer Chronicles. Great first book, questionable second book. Still waiting on the third book. But Patrick Rothless, who wrote that, pay attention. Yeah, I read the first one. Yeah, because that was 2007, I think, and then 2011, and that’s the last time. So maybe the second one, he just kind of said, no, I don’t really have the rest of the story, but I don’t understand that. Wouldn’t you have the rest of the story? Shouldn’t the third book kind of write itself in a trilogy? I mean, there’s so much world building and stuff that’s going on that I think they set the stage and they’re like, I’ll figure out as it goes. I know a lot of writers are like, oh, it writes itself. Maybe he doesn’t know. And he’s like, just fine trying to find inspiration. Yes. Or you’re just trying to make it perfect because you spent those books are super long, too, I think those thousand page books themselves. And it’s also like both. I don’t know how to pronounce his name, but the main character, Kabati. Yeah. Was kind of always had his little guitar thing with him, so I felt like he was just one of those guys who’s like, anyways, here’s Wonderwall. We’re not here to talk. No, we’re not here to talk about that trilogy is. I agree. It’s not good. My bone borrowed that. Okay, cool. I’m glad, because there are some bad trilogy out there. We got The Matrix tough trilogy. Terminator tough trilogy. Well, I thought Terminator Two was supposed to be the best sequel ever. Right. Terminator Two is phenomenal. I don’t know if it’s the best. Is there a Terminator Three? There is. Rise of the Machine. Okay. Is that with Arnold? It is, yeah. I don’t think it wasn’t very good. But either way, what else you got for stock up? Color coded shirts. Stock up. So at one point they’re basically doing a rally in order to get some scars kind of more invested into the revolution, if you will. And they have, like, the. What are they called? Feelers Southern. Sorry, I didn’t review the Wikipedia page. I was very nervous. I was going to get spoilers. I got a spoiler. I did it. I got a spoiler. The Southern are sending out different waitresses and waiters with color coded shirts. All right. Set up red. Like get anger or like, send out this to get to signal the rest of the Southern or what they should be pushing, which I loved. And that was kind of like what McDonald’s does, I think, with their colors. But personally, I don’t know if you use this method as well, but I once maybe like, 15 years ago had someone compliment say, hey, that blue shirt looks good with your eyes. And I have not purchased anything that’s not blue for the last 15 years. Literally. I remember one compliment. That’s all I’ve gotten in my 15 years. And I’ve just only buy blue from then on. But I wish there was some more like, hey, you know what? You should wear that, like red with this and this. And I would start buying different colors, but for now, it’s just blue. That’s all I got. Yeah. When I moved into my new place, I took all my old clothes out of storage. They were in storage for a year. Pretty much the entire time my girlfriend and I have been dating. So I wore a shirt that she had never seen before, and she was like, wow, you look great in that color. And I was like, oh, well, I guess I have to buy an entire new wardrobe. An entire new lime green wardrobe. Oh, that’s the color I think it was. I forget, but yeah, okay. But also, to your point, interesting. Do you know the most noticeable color to the human eye? According to science, I would say red, but I don’t know. It’s yellow. Really? Hence why taxicabs are yellow. You know my color theory, right? No, I don’t. Please. Everyone actually sees the same color. So everyone’s favorite color is actually the same. It’s just that your eyes show it as a different color. So what I see is red might be your blue, but blue and red are both are appeasing to both of us. No. You see what I’m saying? No, I think it makes perfect sense. Everyone actually sees the exact same colors. We just call them different things. Well, hold on. If there’s a Cardinal in your yard and you’re like, look at this beautiful Cardinal. It’s red you think is red is actually my green. So your Cardinals are blue or green to you? No, the word red to me, but it’s not as appeasing to me. But your favorite color is what I would say is my favorite color. Turquoise. Right. See, I see turquoise. You see your favorite color on that thing, and we both like that thing as the favorite thing. You’ve confused me, and I appreciate that because I think that was your goal. It’s like the upside down map, kids. It’s all about perspective. Also, other color talk. Orange. The color was named after the fruit and not the other way around. But I think you probably see red. Well, yeah, I actually like the color Orange clumpson. What you think is probably. I think it’s Brown. Yes, exactly. All right, my next stock up is cool looking bad guys. So Tolkien had the Nas, Gall, JK Rowling had Dementors, which were literally the exact same thing as the Nasgool. She stole everything from Tolkien horrible woman. But what Dementors from Harry Potter. Yeah, but you’re talking shit about our girl. All right. Yeah, well, she also talked shit about trons people and stuff. She’s talking shit about trons people, isn’t it? Trans Megatron. Tomato, tomato, potato, potato. But steel inquisitors an awesome bad guy. What a cool idea for just super powerful, obviously, but spooky ass guys that have nails driven through the back of their head so that spikes are coming out of their eyes. What was on their ass that you said was spooky too much? It’s something out of, like, Pans Labyrinth or obviously, Hellraiser brings, like, hell razor ideas up in your head. But if you’re telling me that those things exist and I’m walking in the street and I see one of them, you don’t need to necessarily tell me. It’s bad to say, like, oh, there’s something out there that you’re not going to agree with, and you see that it’s like, yeah, I’m not down with them. So I just think steel inquisitors the idea is pretty sweet. And I love a good looking bad guy. Back to Terminator two. We got the Mercury guy, whatever his name was, the Ti, whatever. But I love a good looking bad guy. So, Miss Barnes, watch out. I feel like I need the visuals for a movie here on this. I don’t know how they haven’t made it yet. Yeah, it’d be super cool. Tattoo, HBO, figure it out. Hbo should literally just sign Brandon Sanders into an Infinity deal. Like, hey, we’re taking all your shit. We’re making every single movie. Why are we making Game of Thrones without the source code or whatever the fuck is called? Like the prequels without any written material on it? Well, there’s a ton of written material on it, but the prequel stuff has written material. Yeah. I mean, like, 200 years beforehand. What’s his name? George RR Martin. Did. He’s one of those people, like Tolkien who anytime there’s someone’s name, he’s already built the entire family tree. There’s a story for all the people within the. Yeah, but it’s like a broad brush store. That’s what they had for the fucking last season. You saw how that went. Yes. I don’t necessarily think the show will be good, but there is source material for it. I mean, he did come out with an entire and very cool book. It’s almost like a coffee table book about the Targaryens in history. I can’t remember what it’s called, and that’s kind of what that vibe is. But, yeah, I’m not saying they won’t fucking up. And I’m also not saying they shouldn’t just take another cool original fantasy idea and go with it. We’re not going to do a cast of the movie on this one, but there is some company that bought the rights to a ton of Sanderson stuff, and supposedly they have a screenwriter for the Miss Born series. Like, the three of them are potentially just the final Empire. But I looked up the guy, and the things he had written was like, Triple X, the sequel, Diesel. I’m just not that necessarily excited about it. But I agree this would be. I need the visual. I need the visual. Last one I had was Boxing Day. So are you familiar with Boxing Day, the day after Christmas, isn’t it? Something like that or the day before New Year’s? Or is it the day after Christmas? Yeah, I think so. The British. The British celebrity. British Canadian holiday. I don’t know. I knew it was a Canadian holiday, but what is Boxing Day? It’s when the Kangaroos would kick people and shit. Yeah, exactly. No one knows. No one knows. But in schedule, boxings are money. It’s how you trade 2000. Boxings money is what buys you goods and services. So it makes a lot more sense. Now, this whole Boxing Day thing, it’s the day after Christmas is when you take your boxings, aka your money, and you go spend it on shit. Simple. You’re making a lot of sense. Yeah. So now Boxing Day, which is previously the stock is zero because no one outside of tea drinking Canadians and British people know what it means. Now we all know what it means. You take your Christmas money and you go budget. Perfect. There it is. Yeah, done. I looked it up real quick. It originated as a holiday to give gifts to the poor. Oh, that’s not changed at all. No change. All right, let’s jump into stockdown. What did you get for stock down? Stock down. Getting some much needed shut eye. I love it. I love my shut. I feel like there’s not a lot of sleeping going on in this book. So at night, like, Kelsey and Van just proves the night and they’re just doing their activities and never sleep. And then the other thing that they kind of talk about is that you can’t go to sleep with any of the metals in your body. So basically, you have to flare everything as much as possible, right before you go to sleep. Some of these metals take a while. If you want to go to sleep, you basically have to be like, all right, well, I got to fucking flare all these things. Most intense fucking craziness going for 15 minutes, and then they’re like, okay, I’m going to sleep. It’s like, Wait, what? I just experienced another universe for 15 minutes, and now you want me to go to sleep? Yeah. It’s like giving someone a bunch of ecstasy, acid, and cocaine and then being like, all right, go to bed. All right. Good luck. Ben also gets knocked out. Isn’t she typically going to die from that because she’s sleeping, right? She throws metals in her no, because they did say your body, if you’re a good enough missborn or missing, your body knows what to do. But they did say you die or you get poison. If you sleep with metals in your body. Right, you can die. But her body is able to do it like to burn those without her knowledge knowing. Okay. I can’t remember what that is. There’s like two functions of the human body. Like digestion is one where you don’t have to focus on it, and then the other one is like walking shits. Yes. Having a BM, that’s something you have to focus on unless you’re pooping in your sleep. But if you are, I’m sorry. So whatever it is, she’s able to do that my first stock down is minding your own business. So stock way up for minding your own business. You know, anything is going on around me. Not my business. Well, I like to listen in and hear the scuttle, but let’s be fair. But go on. Couldn’t disagree more. Really? Yes. I’m out. Someone could be like, I’m going to do a terrorist attack now. What am I off now I got to say something to somebody because now I’m in the know. Yeah. I’m glad you thought that happened. 911 on Dmax. Yeah. George W. Was talking to Dick Cheney and I was like, no, not you’re saying it’s an inside job. Okay. Interesting. Oh, yeah, definitely. I saw that movie Vice by Adam McKay. No, but minding her business. Vin cannot seem to mind her own business. She needs to get up into every single person’s business. But what does that do? It gives her a date with a steel Inquisitor her guts, hanging out like Giovanni Ribisi and Saving Private Ryan. Yeah, that’s what happens. You don’t mind your own business. Next thing you know, you’re looking at your own insights. Not for me. I’m going to sit here, I’m going to mind my own business. I’m going to water my lawn. Simple, very simple. Life way easier. Stock down, minding your own business. Oh, you kind of convinced me there. That’s not bad. Although I don’t think you have to necessarily act on things. I mean, you can listen to scuttlebutt and not act on it. No, because if someone tells you something’s going to happen, you got to act on it. That’s the whole point. You would just be like, no, I’m good. Well, that’s what you did for 911. Have you ever read the 911 Seinfeld script? No, there is one. Yeah. So some guy wrote, like a huge Seinfeld fan wrote a spec script for Seinfeld for having a 911 episode. It is phenomenal. So you can get it online and you can go online and find the next trip. We used to do it because it’s all the characters. There’s like four or five characters maybe, and we do it on road trips. So if there’s like five people in the car, including a driver for other people would do the show and basically act it out for the driver. It’s a great way to pass by like an hour. That’s a very artsy thing to do. But I actually would love that. That’s pretty sick. And the story is classic. Like Cramer lends his box cutter to his friend that he met Moata, like Mohammedata, and then he’s trying to get it back. They have, like, a 911 recovery thing for people that lost property and whatnot. And he’s, like, trying to get his box cutter back. It’s so dark and so hilarious. And George is once again obviously having the hero thing where someone thinks he saved them on 911. And so he tells them like, oh, yeah, I was that guy. It’s phenomenal. It’s phenomenal. Okay, what else do you have for stock down? Stockdown trains slow down. All right. Stocks way down. America. Actually, we already been over there. I did say stock down strange earlier, but we’re selling again. So to get between cities super quick, they have these, like, metal jumpabouts right there’s. Metal rods. Yeah. That they can just shoot off of, basically. Yeah. Using bending steel and iron. Whereas with trains, we kind of need a rail. We need a lot of real estate. So onto my point, as no one ever thought of putting this huge fucking magnets in the ground, we can just bounce trains off them in the air that way. We don’t need rails that way. We can just fucking go between things with a magnet. Right. It’s interesting. Elon, wake up, buddy. Where are you? It’s on Twitter. Hey, it does existing rails, though, right? Yeah. So they’re actually like electromagnetic trains, so they don’t actually touch the rail. They just, like, Hover over it. So it’s based on electromagnetism and the trains because it’s basically no friction. So the trains are able to run without friction. And friction is like the number one thing. I put that up in the air, like 50ft, so we don’t have any worry about it. Talking about flying trains, what did I say? Well, yeah, but you couldn’t do it that far apart. The electromagnetism. I mean, you could maybe. Yeah. When the cars came out, they were like, you can’t drive 30 mph. That’s too fast. Come on, kid. Let’s start thinking outside the box. Where’s Elon? Can we get off Twitter, buddy, and figure this shape, if you did that and someone walked through one of those ranges, it would be like when Jar Jar walks through the electric field and his whole face goes numb. The Sith Lord JarJar. Yeah, exactly. Read it. Read it. Depot. I remember hearing Neil Degrasse Tyson talk about it. They’re like, So when are we going to have to come with flying cars? He’s like, oh, no, we’re just going to change the dimensions or something. And he’s like, yeah, we’ll just build up and vertical and down underground. And I was like, what an idiot. What does he know? Yes. I was like, but this is kind of like that. So I’m kind of on board now. Back with him. My next stock down is having a plan. So as Mike Tyson says, everyone has a a plan until they get hit in the mouth. Well, this plan is like getting hit by Goro from mortal Kombat. It’s just coming at you from all angles. Like, do you remember Goro, the guy with the forearms? Oh, yeah. Really tough to beat. Bits born the final Empire when you really boil down to it. It’s a heist book, right? It’s just like the Italian job or gone in 60 seconds. But in some weird. I love that I said Ocean’s eleven, but I like that. Okay. Yeah, but in some weird dystopian future, potentially future past, you don’t really know. It’s like a Galaxy far, far away. So the plan in this heist is to recruit an army of sky. Pretty difficult. Create chaos in Luther, take the Palace, Kidnap the Lord ruler, A potentially divine being. Break into his secret vault of ATM. No idea where that is. In his Castle. Get out of town. All while keeping inquisitors off your back, right? That’s the general gist. This is the worst plan I’ve ever heard. If you’re talking, what do you do differently? One of those just do one. You’re overextending here. There’s too much. You’re trying to recruit an army of ska. They’re peasant people, and they’ve been beaten down for years and years and years. It’s not something that you can do While also keeping it secret. I know they have this potential cave system Where they’re going to hold all the sky in, but just, like, logistics, like Napoleon feeding his army during his Russian campaign, the logistics itself are just too difficult. How do you feed all these Sky When they’re in these caves and not get that found out? They have to survive on something. We’re talking about thousands and thousands of people. How does that even work? And so that’s like, Ham’s job. And he’s like, all right, cool. Yeah, he’s William Wallace or something. He’s just going to be able to bring up all of these rebels somehow? I don’t think so. And then they’re going to create the chaos. Sure. If that happens, they can create the chaos. Take the palace. Sounds super impossible. They don’t even know how many steel inquisitors are out there. And they have two missborns. And kelseier has only known his powers for a year. Vin is fresh. And then they have, like, a gang of ten people, Ocean’s eleven. But everyone has their own kind of power. And then they got to kidnap the ruler. I know we’re going to get into what we expect from this, but you have to agree with me. There’s 0% chance that this works in any way. Oh, it’s going to work. Over $3. How do you want to start revolution? What do you want to be like, hey, let’s start revolution, but let’s only do one part of it, kid. You got to commit. You set the goal, and you dream big, and that’s how you do it. You can’t just be like, oh, I want to win a war and just worry about one battle. You can’t be doing that, kid. We got to be doing everything. No, these guys have, like, pocket twos, and they’re going all in in a game of poker. They’re hoping one other person has ace King. So it’s like a 50 50 shot. This is you sitting at the table in 1775 and then being like, Listen, the British Army is big, but what we got to do is we got to fight back. And you’re like, no, what’s the point? Do you see their outfits? They’re wearing red. That’s the brightest color. That’s the color that everyone’s eyes attract to. You know, that they’re going to beat us. That’s what you’re saying right now in the bar where everyone else here. I’m rolling the troops up. I can’t have these negative people in the group here. Go back to Britain. Get your fucking shit. Go over the red coats. I’m not Tory. Notorious B-I-G. No, Tory. That’s what the red coat sympathizers were, aka the British sympathizers. No, I’m like Mel Gibson. I’m just killing Indians at Fort Wilderness. That’s what I’m doing. When did that happen? Wait, what? Did you ever see The Patriot? Is he killing Indians? Yeah, Fort Wilderness. That’s the whole thing. Dad, tell me what happened at Fort Wilderness, okay? That’s why he’s like, I’ll never fight again. Yeah, I mean, I just assume that was the last Mohegans who was in that movie also. No. Daniel Day. Come on, I dare you. Daniel Day Lewis, to prepare for that movie, went in the woods and built a log cabin with his bare hands and, like, a row, pretty much. He’s such a psychopath. He went in the woods and built a cabin and lived off the land for a year in preparation for Blasphemoicans. And then when they took the guy’s heart out in the scene in that movie, they’re like, no, it’s got to be real. We’re taking a real heart out. Daniel is like, no, yes. We’ll do surgery, and then we’ll put it back in. Take my heart like, Daniel, we can’t do that. Same director as Master and Commander, the great movie. So having a plan, bad idea. You’re better off just going in guns and blazing. Just see, right before the end of part two, Kelsey is like, yeah, so I’m just going to go into the main place where we think the biggest stuff is hidden. Just walking, like, on the place. You have no plan or you don’t Scout it. He’s like, I don’t think he’s going to be there. So let’s go. And then I’ll bring this 13 year old girl with me who has just figured out her powers. Wait, what? That’s the plan. And this is the guy who’s leading the whole thing, who has the plan. Oh, I like it. To me. I thought the ATM would be there. He’s a little Caucher. I like it a lot. He reminds me of a City of Peace guy there. He’s like, I got nothing to lose. Fuck it. Or guy who died at the end. Spoiler alert. Hopefully you listen to these episodes. Let’s jump into favorite, least favorite character. What have you got so far through part two of Missborn the Final Empire? Yeah, I think Vin. I mean, Vin’s awesome, right? Reminds me a lot of Aria. Really? You don’t like Vin? Well, we are opposing sides again. She’s awesome. Okay, go on, continue your idea. I mean, she’s basically Arya from. If you do not like Arya, Game of Thrones. Love Aria. Huge. Aria. Yeah, she’s my favorite character. No, Arya’s like out there assassinating people as a twelve year old, that’s literally what Ben is building up to. She’s about to turn into, like, an absolute crazy assassin. Vince wearing dresses and going to balls. She’s basically Batman. She’s going she’s doing that. And then at night she’s going out like Murkin people. Oh, and I know we jump around a lot in this podcast, but talk about people that don’t sleep like Batman. Come on, dude, get some sleep. It’s important for recovery. All right, well, you said this whole sleep thing earlier. Well, Bats come out at night. Yeah, but then he’s going to be a Playboy during the day and he’s got to run a business. Oh, playboys don’t do anything until they don’t wake up at 04:00 p.m.. So he’s doing exactly what he’s supposed to do. I want to be a Playboy. You need my Playboy. What? Okay, so you think Vin is badass? Yeah. Number two, you probably have them, but Cyzed is fucking awesome, too. She was my number two. I know Ben had some trauma. I’m going to get back to Ven. I know she’s had some trauma. So I understand that she doesn’t trust anybody. And she sees, like, this idea of this cohort, this gang of friends, and she’s torn by it because it seems like something that she wants to lower her guard and join. But at the same time, everything that she’s learned in the past, especially from her brother, who seems like a horrible person, who like, yeah, terrible. Taught her lessons by doing them to her. He’s like, oh, I learned. My brother taught me to not trust anyone by betraying me. It’s like, what? That sounds. That’s not how you teach lessons. Isn’t that what, like negative reinforcement is? And you’re not supposed to do that. But she goes too far where it’s like every single thing she can’t trust it. At some point you have to just say, okay, let my guard down a minute here. They’re like a few months in advance now, and I feel like she’s past that point now. I think she has a quiet voice in the back of her head, but I think she’s past it. But she wouldn’t leave Kelsey or alone. And then even with the ATM at the end, she’s like, you’re keeping this from me? He’s like, I wasn’t keeping it from you. It’s too dangerous for you to just start using it. It’s too expensive. It’s definitely too expensive. Holy smokes. But my favorite character we talked about, say, is that probably the best hang. We are the best hang in terms of, like, drink a beer and chat with. But definitely drink a beer and talk about crazy religions and stuff. I mean, the guy knows everything. He’s an encyclopedia. I don’t know if that’s a cool hang for you, but. Okay, go ahead. I think so. It’s like pre phone. You can’t look stuff up. He can just tell you about ancient History Channel. History Channel. I’m going to go with Hammond, aka Ham. So he’s a thug, which means he Burns Peter to enhance his physical abilities. But he loves a good philosophical debate. He’s always asking the other guy. I can’t remember what the other guy’s name is. The Southern. They sit there and they talk about interesting stuff. So I want Ham, I want Czech and myself drinking some of Camden’s wine, sitting around talking the philosophy of the final Empire. Sounds like. I mean, you don’t want a revolution because you definitely don’t want that. Hey, guys, just think about it. Let’s not do any action. Let’s keep all these people enslaved. What 911 happened, it’s all fine. Those who can’t do teach. That’s what I want. But I will say Brandon Anderson makes, in my opinion, awesome. All the characters are relatable somehow. They’re all likable. I think more importantly, he just makes them feel real. They feel like, oh, okay, this is a person. Even though there’s this crazy abilities in this crazy world, it’s a character that makes sense as somebody who you could know, which makes all of the mystical shit seem so much more real because the people are real. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. It doesn’t seem far fetched, because if everything else is set in reality, then, like, the far fetchness is. Oh, I guess that’s just normal here. Yeah. No, I mean, it’s like all the late, Fast and Furious movies. Yeah, they’re all great. Yeah, they’re set in perforal. Yeah, I agree. Good point. I didn’t do Haitable. Just wanted to throw Yedin out there. That dude fucken Yeden, whatever his name is. Yeah, he’s just complaining. Like Buddy, he’s like you. Actually, I was going to say I’m talent, Eden. It makes a lot of sense. I knew you’d like him. Bro. You’re trying to start a revolution. You got to crack some eggs here. What are we doing? You’re trying to make an omelet eating. You got to crack some eggs. Going to scramble them. Put some cheese in there, a little milk maybe. I don’t know. Yeah, the only problem is they’re cracking it without a pan. So Kelsey is just cracking eggs into the ground? Yeah, if the ground is hot enough, why not? But someone needed a Colonel Jessopin. From who? Good men. Few good men. You can’t handle the truth. Yeah, the line before. That’s amazing. He says, I have neither the time nor inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner which I provided. That right there, kids, is what we need. Did you declare Operation Rent or whatever it’s called? I forget that move. Did you say the code red? Yeah, code red. Did you issue code red there? Goddamn right I did. But that’s a good line, right? If you’re going to hire someone to start a revolution, you can’t be picking apart every single little thing. He’s doing the heavy lifting. You got to let him do it. No, I agree. I agree with that idea. It’s like, hey, the reason why you outsource this is because this is what these guys do. But at the same time, Jaden’s thinking about the people, the people matter. There’s thousands of sky. They’re all going to die if this doesn’t go right. And it seems like you’re putting it in the hands of Kelseier, who’s just like, ha ha, Happygolucky Peter Pan. And it’s like, no, this is fucking serious here. And I know Kelsey is serious, too, but I can understand why Ethan is trying to protect these people, which is at the end, but he is a pussy. So whatever. But it’s like Braveheart but dying in your beds many years from now. I’m just quoting everything right now. Is that your Scottish accent in your beds? Dying in your beds many years from now. What do you want to take? One day? Just one day. So you’re saying what you do in life echoes into eternity? Oh, yeah. What’s that from Gladiator? Wow. We’re setting the record, I think, for all references, like just tangential pieces of trash, but I like it. I’m enjoying this conversation. Let’s go into bold predictions for the book. So, like I said, we’ve only read through part two. Where we left off was at the end of part two, Kelseyer. Like we talked about before, Kelseier takes Vin into the Lord ruler’s stronghold. They try to get some information or whatever. And Vince dying, but says that probably saved her. And they came out with a book. So that’s where we’re at. What are your predictions at first is that the Lord ruler has a lemon medal, obviously, and that allows him to see even further into the future, like the next day or something. That’s why he’s able to know when his places are going to be attacked or something’s going on there. Where the reason the three inquisitors was waiting there for them and they were like, hey, what’s going on? We thought you’d be here is because it’s not someone leaking it. I think he has some sort of foresight. He’s at foresight? Yeah. What’s the other word for that? Four Chan for some. Now, what is that? Clairvoyance. Clairvoyance. Here we go. There it is. Nice in terms of predictions. I guess I’ll start there and then I’ll go into my questions. I think predictions. I’ve already alluded to this, but I think this whole plan is going to go to shit. I just don’t think it’s going to work at all. I think probably the army is going to get found out or something like that. They’re not going to be able to storm the city. Chelsea is going to have to do it alone and Vince going to have to go save him or try to save him and he’s going to do the same thing again where he brought Vin into this and now has to decide between his mission and Vin’s life or something along those lines. Like he might get captured so that he can save Vin, but the whole thing is going to go to shit is like the Matrix. Yeah, exactly. It’s basically like the Matrix. Which leads me to my next question is Vin Neo, because they talk about how she’s taking to this training and stuff so well and say that, oh, her body already knows to do this stuff. It reminds me of the scene when everyone’s looking at the screen in the Matrix and the numbers are going down. It’s like, oh my God, he is the one. Or is Vin Vader and she’s going to become the next kind of vibe of the Lord Ruler. Like she’s the psychiatrist. She is a Lord Ruler just like a younger version because he’s taking 11th medal and looking back into the future. Do you do too much? It’s way too deep. I’ll bring down the acid. 1 second. Here we go. Yeah. So what do you think? Vin Neo or Vin Vader? Well, I think my next prediction, Kai, is into this. I think Vin’s brother is Vader because he’s a missborn. Is he missborn or is he missing? Oh, I don’t know. He’s something, I assume, right? Or do we know? We don’t know. He is the same dad as Vin. Yeah, but it’s not like if you have a missing parent, then you are missing. Okay. But I wouldn’t be surprised. He left her like he’s still alive. It’s like he’s not alive. He’s going to come in some way. At some point, he’s somehow going to come in and Darth Vader betray them. He has no loyalty to her, obviously. So he’s going to be like, oh, I know her. That’s my sister. But it was weird because she saw that Inquisitor or whatever. Not the steel Inquisitor, but the other guys, maybe they’re also called inquisitors, I forget. But she saw the guy at the ball and she’s like, oh, that’s my dad. Because originally I was like, oh, is her dad the Lord Ruler? Right. Does anyone know what Lord Ruler looks like? It could be. It’s not out of the realm of possibility. Yeah. Or maybe a metal is like shape change. Like he’s a shape changer. And also we don’t know what Kelsey’s lineage is because it seems like he hasn’t talked about his own parentage. All good points. Yeah. So these are some things I’m thinking about. I also have an interesting idea. Well, it’s actually not interesting at all. It’s very basic and totally readable. But then as Valet Renew is going to get in with this Venture Air, they’ve been like teasing this. We’ve only had that first ball so far. And what’s the Venture’s name? I can’t remember Ellen Venture or something like that. He seems intellectual and he’s not down with the pomp and circumstance of high society. He wants to read books so he could potentially be an ally going forward. Yes, I’d respect him more if he was like doing an audiobook, but that’s just me. I don’t really care for that. He takes his headphones. I was like, oh, sorry. I also could understand if he’s doing an audiobook and he’s watching her, it makes more sense. But the fact that he somehow reading and seeing her, what’s going on? Unless you’re a really good reader, I can’t do that. Yeah, well, you just pause. But also speaking of audiobooks, this book is a better book. Book, I think. I don’t really like the narrator of the audiobook. He’s a little too droll for me. He’s just kind of one note doesn’t get up with the excitement or get down. He kind of uses the same voice for everyone. He doesn’t get down with his sickness, whereas the book itself is good because it’s reference material. You see maps, you can go to the back of the book and see the alomantic powers. So it’s like if you forget what a tiny eye is, it’s like, oh, what does Tin do? And you can go back to the book and just look at it. But I will defend audiobooks because I’ve been doing a lot of the yard work recently. So I’ve been listen to a separate audio book called Salt by Mark Kurlandsky. It’s basically about the history of salt, really not that interesting to a lot of people. But if you like nonfiction stuff, he also does other things on. One of them is Bird’s Eye, about freezing vegetables and stuff. It’s actually fascinating. But the salt one had a quick aside about none other than the story behind where red herring came from, the fish or the bird. Oh, my God. I hope you’re listening to this podcast before, otherwise you’re going to have no idea what that means. But really quickly. New Englanders used to prefer the red herring over the salted herring because we didn’t have enough salt here. So the red herring was less salted because we didn’t have enough salt in this area to do like a real fully salted herring. But then the New England hunters would take the red herring out with them on hunting trips and they would leave some on their trail so that the Wolves and Coyotes would follow the fish as opposed to the game that the hunters were trying to Hunt, hence putting a false trail out. Hence a red herring in a novel form. So it all came from New England. Salt fish really is where the book red herring came from. Maybe that was all interesting to me, but yeah. What are the book predictions you got? Yeah. Last one I had was that Eden. You will betray them. Seems like a rat. I don’t know if Brent Sanderson is just kind of okay. I can have everyone be really likable in this group. Someone’s got to be kind of. Yeah, okay. It could be that. Or I also feel like he’s a guy that will quickly turn his back on someone if things don’t go the way he wants it. So that’s why I don’t trust him. I don’t like the cut of his jib. I think it could be something more where the Lord ruler has captured or blockaded or trapped his entire army of sky, and it’s like, give up Kelsey or his gang and we’ll release your 10,000 SCA. And he’s like, okay, well, I’m going to do that. That’s betrayal. Yes. Betray them. But I don’t think it’s necessary. Go to the Lord ruler and say, here’s our plan. I don’t think he’s that, but I think he is. You’re like a thief at heart, so I’ll do what I’ve got to do. My last book prediction is not a prediction. It’s another question, and it’s what the fuck is a mistrate? I need to know more. I really need to know more about these creatures because they eat dead carcasses and then they assume some of their body parts. So, like, they’d eat a Crow and then grow black wings. Fucking metal. It’s as metal as it gets, right? These creatures are fascinating. And it seems like everyone’s scared of them, but they’re almost like the invisible horses in Harry Potter. Is that all you got to see? Someone murdered, or you just see the dead person? You got a funeral. Everyone can see him all of a sudden. No. Yes. I think you have to see someone get dead. Hence why Harry could see it after Cedric. Diggery. Oh, no. He saw him die. Didn’t you see his parents die? No, I don’t think so. No, because he saw them the first time after book four. Okay. Yeah, but these creatures are fascinating, Kelsey’s. Like, oh, they’re not into you. Like, they’re just Cravens or whatever the things are that eat dead animals. But anything they eat, they could become it. So it’s wild. They’re, like, assume part of it. So you could be lion, bear, man, bear, pig. So fascinating, fascinating. I want to know more about the mysteries, why they came around, why the world’s full of ash. Oh, quick question. Quick question before we get into the next section, before each chapter is like a quick Journal entry, right? Yes. I don’t really understand that, but he does. It in other books or that’s like a very Dune thing. Yeah, it is. Dunesh. So I’m thinking this is like the Lord ruler’s Journal entry a thousand years in the past as he’s figuring out his powers and his ascension to power. So I think this is like him working through that. Originally I thought it was like Kelsey’s, but it’s like, no, I think it has to be the Lord ruler. Let’s get the listener mail. What do we got? Tony from Chicago. You’ve got mail? Oh, Chicago. In the first half of the book, the miss rates fall. Ben and Kelsey are around, and they take the shape of whatever they consume. So it really makes you think you are what you eat is true in this sense. So the question is, if this were the case for you, what would you go around eating, noting that you can’t chase down a cheetah and eat it? Well, they eat dead animals. Well, there’s so many things you can find. Neat. Okay. In your current situation. So that’s the open ended question to you. Well, can you start? Because I got to think I kind of want to be big. So I’m going to start with eating some deer. I think deer is very easy to find. I think it’s so tasty. I wouldn’t mind having four legs, maybe have some antlers. You already have three legs. Or the other one that you do is you kill someone that’s like the rock and you just beat him and then you just become the rock. You just can slowly consume him until you become him. That one’s dark. And then I would eat a couple of things with my deer. Come on. I probably eat some fish because I kind of want to have some gills and maybe swim around Kevin Costner and Water World. Does he have guilt in that? Yeah, he does. I was thinking I’m just watching the boys. I was thinking the guy from that, it’s a good show. And then I would try to also find some sort of bird, maybe like an Eagle. If I could eat that or something that could Eagle. Great eyes also would be great. I was able to see really good and then good senses, like an owl, maybe. All those things I think would be those three combinations I think would be good. You can’t get a cheat up, but you can just Hunt down an owl. Like, no problem. Well, I mean, that’s what I was saying. I’m going to try to dears have pretty good senses, and then the fish also have to look out for them. So those two things are already anticipating it. So now I’m getting that. Okay, fair enough. Your train of thought got me riding on that electromagnetic train.

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You are what you eat. I just eat a human, like in previous episodes of talking about cannibalism I’m human. Who are you eating? I don’t know. Find a dead body, go to a graveyard, start eating. Yeah, but what if you get, like, an old man? You don’t want that. That’s why it’s at the rock. You get old man’s strength, you get wisdom. These are important things. It’s not just about the body, it’s about the brain. But your idea about deer got me thinking about roadkill, because that’s probably the easiest way to catch an animal. It’s just, like, eat something off the street. Right. That’d be gross, though. But whatever your carcass eater, it’s not a big deal. It’s like what you do. I gave you two things that were, like, actually would make sense. Eating. Yeah, well, you get fresh deer. I’m eating venison. It’s like, no, I mean this rotting deer carpet. That’s what you’re doing. I’m going to eat fresh deer. I don’t need the four legs necessarily. I don’t need the affinity for tick bites. So I don’t think I’m going to go with a deer. But I’ve been hunting a lot of moles recently in my yard, so they seem like interesting creatures. And they got these paddle paws, so I would eat one of those. They might not be very smart, but they got great sense of smell, and I love a good smell. Yeah. I think for that, you go to the doctor and just get it taken off. I don’t know why you’d eat it. It’s just weird to me, but I had a mole on my wrist. That’s what I’m talking about. There’s also all these elements of powers. Like, if you can’t be a missborn, if you could just be a missing, which one would you want? I like the feeling one, obviously. It’s basically the forest persuasion. The soothers. Yeah, I’m a big fan of them. Especially that guy. These are not the drones you’re looking for. Yeah, exactly. And he’s kind of the cock of the walk. That guy walks in there, and he’s like, you don’t even know if I made you do that or not. And I’m like, damn breeze. Breeze, breeze. Oh, that’s a great name, too. Yeah, breeze. Okay, so you like the idea of soothing, which is pretty much what you do on this podcast. You soothe our listeners. Yeah, totally. I’m thinking ten. I’d want to burn ten. It allows you to enhance your senses, like, all five senses. So you can kind of, like, pick and choose. I think so. Hey, at night, you got to go to the bathroom and take a piss. I don’t need to turn the light on, because the worst thing you do is you turn that light on in the bathroom and then turn it off. It’s like, I have no idea where I’m going. So instead you just don’t turn the light on. Also, you can enhance your taste. So when you’re having supper, you just enhance your ability to taste. It’s like, wow, it’s even more delicious. I’m tasting it even more. That’s a good point. Yeah. When eating that human meat and those moles and the dead carcasses. Yeah. And it’s all five senses, which includes, like, your field, too. So you’re playing sports or whatnot? You enhance that and you have a better feel for the game. That’s huge. Yeah. So that’s a good point. Yeah. I think the tinnie is pretty good. The only problem is they use the example of, like, they’re in a dark room and then someone turns the lights on. It’s like night vision goggles on. Yeah. So that would be tough. But I think if you’re able to kind of work it out, it makes a lot of sense to me. I forgot to put this in the intro, but when I compare the book to was Ocean 13 plus Senseless, the movie. Have you ever seen that movie? No, it’s a Bradley Cooper movie. Marlin Wayne and David Spade takes those shots where he becomes extra senses. So that plus this is our third run in with metal compactors or metal eaters. So we’ve had this book, we had Fifth Century, where the check each member eats metal. No, the fifth. 5th element. Sorry. No, it wasn’t the fifth element. Fifth season. Fifth season. Shit. Yeah. The fifth season where the girls eating metal and then the horse cock guy. Pardon me, Percy Jackson. Oh, Grover. Yeah, Grover. That’s the perfect description of him. I don’t know what you’re talking about. The horse got guy who eats metal. I know exactly who you’re talking about. So, yeah, that is literally the perfect description of it. Anyway. Third book. Yeah. We’re big into eating metal in this pocket. Wow. That’s probably out of all the things we’ve done, this is the first the third book where people eat metal. Stock up trilogies. That’s what we had going all along. Exactly. Good things come in threes. And this is. Hey, look at that. What a way to round it out. We’re not going to do or would you recommend this book? Because we still got more book to go. But Keith, I just want to know, are you liking it so far? Oh, yeah. I’m a huge fan. I like the narrator. I like the audiobook. I know you don’t like it, but it makes it go by very quick. I would have a very tough time reading this. He paints the picture well. I think he gets amped up when he needs you to. Otherwise he’s kind of puts you in that world and sues you. I like it. It’s fire season here in Cape Cod where it’s like cool nights and you can have a fire and still have the windows open. It’s really nice. I love reading this book by the fire. It really brings me in. So I’m enjoying it quite, very much. I’m excited for the second half. So we’ll check back in, then hopefully we continue this rule of three. This is a fun one. I’m glad we did it. And we’ll probably be checking in like next week or the week after. I think we’re going to burn through this like the medals check in. I’ll see you guys for the second half of miss born. The final Empire coming out in a couple of weeks. Until then. Bye now.