The Terminal List – Jack Carr – Episode 32

The Buddies cross The Terminal List by Jack Carr from their list. Bobbo, @bobbymccart, joins the podcast for a long stock buying/selling session. The Buddies chat about the importance of old cars, friends and tomahawks. Taking after James Reece, they vow to eliminate their enemies, namely: Garth Brooks, California and coffee with cream and sugar. Gear up, sight your scope, and join us for this action packed summer read.

Intro: (0:00-1:32)
Stock Up/Down (1:33-34:42)
Favorite Scene/Character (34:43-40:51)
Love/Hate (40:52-50:09)
Reader Email (50:10-52:38)
TV Show Talk (52:39-53:47)
Conclusion (53:48-55:18)

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All right. Welcome to Buddy Book Club. I’m Dylan here with Keith and Bob. Special guest. What’s up, buddies? What’s up, guys? Here on the Buddy Book Club, we’re breaking down some best sellers, and this week we’ll be discussing the Terminal List by Jack Carr. If you’d like to recommend a book for us to read or reach out to us about a past episode, you can visit our website buddybookclub.com, or sign to our DMs on Twitter or Instagram buddy Book Club podcast. You can listen to us on itunes and spotify. So please download and subscribe. So, Terminal list, it was a recommendation from Bob, hence why Bob’s on. Although we’d have Bob on for any episode, but since it was his recommendation, we wanted to have him on. And it recently came out on Amazon, like, this week, right? July 1. Yeah. So if you’re listening and you haven’t started either, maybe you want to read the book first. According to Keith, the show is like 40% different. So maybe read the book first and fill it out from there. But basically Terminalist is like Steve Bushmi’s character from Billy Madison. Like his backstory. Right? He just like, has a list. He’s putting lipstick on his face and going around shooting people. Right. That sounds about right. Okay, cool. Yeah. So we’re going to jump in with some stock up, stock down, where we’re going to talk about we got a few categories, but stock up, stock down, bob is going to hang out with us for and we’re going to kind of talk about what stocks were buying after buying and selling after reading or listening to the Terminal list. So Keith gives us the vibe going start us off. What do you have for stock up? Yeah, stock up. First one, driving American muscle cars. Stock up, okay. I mean, the car that you drive, and especially in this book, kind of tells you a lot about the person. If you’re driving a brand new Bentley, a Mercedes, a BMW, if you’re all about the new things, you’re an American hippie terrorist. Pretty much, right? I mean, I know you guys drive D, man. You drive a Chevy Bolt and drive a DW Bug So both of you guys fit in that category, but both uninpatriotic cowards. That’s typical of you guys. But if you’re into new cars, get the fuck out of here. Your piece of shit. If you’re into old Mustangs, old Land Rovers, pickup trucks, 2011 gray Nissan Sentras, you’re a good guy. You’re loyal. You’re willing to get your hands dirty, you know, to change your oil. You’re just a true patriot, especially the 2011 Grand Nissan Sentra. But stock up, american muscle car. Stock up. Being American and patriot like myself, side note, Keith drives a Toyota Prius. But how dare you, sir? Yes, I drive a Mazda hatchback, so I’m probably like a lesbian or something. I don’t know. But actually, one of my favorite stories, Keith, is that you didn’t realize talk about being able to change your own oil and all that stuff. You didn’t realize that you need fluid to turn your steering wheel. And you just went on thinking that you just had this real muscle car, so it was hard to turn your steering wheel, but in fact, you just didn’t have any steering fluid in there. Was that me? I feel like you’re. No, that was you. You told me that story and I was like, oh my God, that is hilarious. There may have been brake lines at one point, the brakes were just not working. And I was like, this is weird. And I was like, yeah, your brake line is gone. I was like, what do you need that for? It’s all the same. That’s yes. Well, to tie into that, my first stock up is just Toyota stock. This might be the first time ever we’re talking about an actual stock you can purchase on stock up. Stock down. But the Land Cruiser is mentioned maybe every other page. It’s how badass is landing? Is it Land Cruiser or Land Rover? No Land Cruiser. Now that you say that. Yeah, totally different. Okay, so not the British company, right? Yeah, totally different car. The Land Rover is the actual sport utility of the Range Rover, where the Toyota Land Cruiser is quite different. They actually stopped making this, supposedly. But I looked it up. The 2021 Land Cruisers were $80000. I was like, holy shit. I didn’t know Toyota. The bad guy was trying to find him. He’s like, Dang it. He drives this old Land Cruiser where it doesn’t have GPS tracking. It’s just an amazing vehicle that can do anything. And then at one point, James Reese like, oh, if only I was driving my Land Cruiser, I could jump the median on this highway. It’s like, wait, what does a Land Cruiser have? Like go, go, gadget arms. I didn’t even understand it. But anyway, I know I wanted one, so I was looking up like, how can I buy used one? Because he’s like, oh, this thing will drive for a million miles as long as you take care of it. And obviously, as you said, james Reese knows how to change his oil. So I might not only buy Toyota stock, but buy Land Cruisers. And also, shame on you, Toyota, for getting out of the market by canceling Land Cruisers. They don’t make them anymore. Bob, what do you have for stock up? Yeah, so tying into everything you guys just talked about stock up on the most all American thing in the world. Navy Seals. I mean pure Mother. Pure stallion. Biggest units on the planet. They’re protecting our beaches. Unlike Keith keeping our beaches. I guess keith keeps our beaches kind of safe because no girls going on it when he’s there. But outside of that, it’s the most all American thing in the world. I’d say so. Yeah. Navy seals stock up. Keith’s so pasty, though, that he’s kind of like a lighthouse. They use him for a landmarker. I know I’m going to like the greenhouse effect. So they’re getting hit by the sun. The sun bounces off. I hit back at them. They’re getting double tan. If you want me around, kid, I’m a utility on the beach. What are you talking about? Out of your army knife for the beach. Got it. I found it more of like a mile marker. Like when James Reese is zeroing in with his rifle and he’s, like shooting at rocks, like, oh, this thing is 100 meters away. This thinks 200. He’d be over his calm being like, yeah, pasty freckle guy. 150 meters. He’s a landmark for these guys. He’s very important to have you, right? Yeah, exactly. I’ll take it. So I’m helping James reset where Bob is driving a terrorist car. Okay, we’re all on the same page here. Speaking about Navy Seals, do you guys ever see the Buds? The Navy Seal training is buds. Like basic underwater demolition. They had a Discovery Channel miniseries about one of the classes. I want to say it’s like Class 2340r, something like that. Like an eight part miniseries about the entire training. I guess they just let Discovery come in and film it. And you guys see that? I haven’t, but I want to watch it now. Oh, yeah, I think it’s probably now because everything has our own streaming service. It’s probably only available on Discovery Plus. But it was wild. Like, seeing this stuff is like, all of this seems extremely illegal. Like the worst fat hazing that has ever existed. But it was wild. As you’re watching it, not only is the actual workouts and the stuff they make these guys do absurd, but just down to them checking their room. They get room checks every morning or whatever, and if someone has a little bit of sand in their drawer, it’s like, okay, go out in the hallway and do push ups until you die. And if you somehow survive, because they really mean, like, do them until you die, if you somehow survive, it’s like, okay, cool. You can now get into the next day. It’s one of those things where we watch this movie, Zero Dark 30, even like the old Navy Seals movie, but you see all this stuff, you’re like, wow, how do these guys get so badass? They definitely started bad ass. But the Buds training program is absurd. Definitely worth a watch. There’s some people that are like, yeah, this is my fifth time trying to do this. It’s like, what? How they drown you during the training? That’s part of it. And revive you? I’m out way before that, so yeah, well, some people don’t need to get revived, but you definitely like, underwater to the point where you’re choking on water. And also, to be clear for everyone listening in case there just happens to be one Navy Seal listening. We don’t know anything. We’re laymen we can have this all completely wrong, but either way, we appreciate it. It’s totally badass. I sleep easier at night knowing there’s some crazy frogmen out there. Keith, what else? You have to stock up. Stock up? The phrase on the nose. So really, I don’t actually know what that phrase means or kind of I don’t really understand it. Nonetheless, I feel like this book was very on the nose, if that makes any sense. The bad guys the good guys in this where everything was so kind of obvious on the notes. There’s the word. All right, there we go. Yeah, exactly. There’s no shades of gray in any sense. There’s no ambiguity in any sense for the who the bad guys are. The good guys were at one point, Hartley just says, rental reason yells, fuck the Constitution. I mean, come on. People that were like, pro constitution, pro American. I’m a big American guy. No one is bigger than me. Even though you have to be rolling their eyes at some of the shit that’s going on in this. Right? Yeah. And then also, Ben being a bad guy. Spoiler. Sorry. He’s a bad guy. I knew that. It was obvious to me. Why? Because the only good guys are literally like, best men, loyal family guys. Just trust the media and government. Ben, on the other hand, says at one point, like, oh, I really didn’t like what Edward Snowden did, and I really liked the Patriot Act. And I was like, what? Like, every single person in the book is beat me opposed to that. And so, you know right away, okay, there’s something off with him there. And the next thing, Liz is like, oh, he hit on me when he was married. And I was like, oh, so Ben’s just a bad guy. Like, by that middle of the book, I’d already started knowing Ben is a bad guy. You want some shades of gray with these guys? They can’t just be all perfect or all bad. Yeah, it was one of those things, like, if you couldn’t write a country music song about their actions, then they were probably a bad guy. Yeah, exactly. I think you’re making some assumptions about Ben, Keith, that led you in the right direction, but, yeah, I guess you’re probably right. It’s probably a little more black and white than I remember. Definitely a little bit more than Vince Flynn’s work, but still pretty great. I mean, a lot of this stuff is like, the torches passed from Vince Flynn, which we love Vinceline, obviously. I feel like also a lot of the bad guys in Vincent’s books were kind of grounded a little bit in some sense of like, hey, he grew up in this area, and the teachings were this, and, like, America actually did do these things that weren’t necessarily great in his region. So you can see why he started to become a guy that does not like America. And you’re like, oh, okay, I get it. It was just like, fuck the Constitution. I want to piss on that document. It’s like, why? It’s like I’m a bad person. Yeah, like the Islamic guy that got radicalized by our own government was just like, wait, what? He boxes, and he doesn’t mind living in squalor because he’s used to living in squalor in his shithole country, so he’s willing to I’m not going to lie, though. Do you know what that reminds me of? The the Boston Marathon bombing guy. That’s right on point. He was a wannabe boxer who got into those, like, deep Internet things where he got turned into a terrorist. He convinced his little bro to do it with him. Big piece of shit. And obviously we know the rest of that story, but when I heard about that character, I was like, that’s what that reminds me of. That’s good call. So not super unrealistic to me. Yeah, actually, that is a good point. It’s only like, you need the Secretary of Defense, like, hitting him up on Yahoo Chat, being like, Allah is not down with these Americans, right? Like, yeah, I guess you are, right? Yeah. Secretary of Defense. My next stock up was Call of Duty, the video game series. And I say this because I probably wouldn’t have understood half of the things that Reese was talking about in terms of equipment and weapon systems if it wasn’t for Call of Duty because he’s, like, saying out these random guns and also being like, oh, this truck can stop seven six two bullets. Doesn’t explain that at all. And I think that this book is obviously written by a Navy Seal or former Navy Seal and probably was meant for that kind of group. I don’t know if he thought it was going to blow up into what it became, but good for him for doing so. Maybe we’re not necessarily the target market, but a normal person would be like, wait, what does that mean for me? I’m like, oh, I play Call of Duty, so I know that seven six two has way bigger stopping power than like, a five five six, so I’m on board. Hence, Call of Duty helped me understand this book a little bit more, so I appreciated that. Call of duty. Stock up. Hopefully the next iteration is actually good. I love that stock up. Yeah. I also thought it was cool that he knew his war history, right? Like, he would reference a lot of stuff, and I was like, all right, that’s pretty badass. That he wasn’t just like, I’m a Seal, so I can just say all this shit and have comedy. Like, oh, here’s all this history stuff I’ve read on wars. Yeah, well, also, Seals in general, like he says in the book, most of them have college degrees. Most of them have wanted to do this their entire life. Not that lots of people in the military aren’t smart, but they are people who go on to have very successful careers outside of the Seal team. So I think the idea of him being well read on history, specifically military history, very much ties in. And I’m not sure if Jack Carr is himself. I would assume so. But I’m sure he knew lots of guys in the sales who knew even his buddy that calls at one point like, yeah, you’ve been reading your son, sue. It’s like, yeah, of course, of course. You guys know these things. Yeah. So I found Jack Carr on a podcast. He was talking about the release of Terminal Lists. I forget when this came out. A couple of years ago or whatever. And I think the thing that really drew me to want to read the book, beyond him being a Navy Seal that was writing a fiction book like this. He talked about this in the podcast where he was talking about the book. He really likes describing history of stuff, like you guys are talking about history of war, and also down to the exact specs of weapons they use, boots they use, gear, all that kind of stuff. And the tactical stuff, because it makes it much more realistic because he actually lived that life. And he said that James Greece was a combination of a couple of Seals he knew. Obviously, don’t quote me on this stuff because I listened to this a long time ago. Jack Cars probably going to be like, that’s not exactly accurate. But I thought it was pretty cool that unlike authors who are getting stuff second hand and then writing these types of books, he has all that really in depth knowledge. Yeah, the Tomahawk is like, it’s got a mahogany shaft, same as the Wapanoag Indian use. He’s straight out of The Patriot with Mel Gibson. I mean, he actually kind of does the same thing. But yeah, it was wild. It was great. Bob, what else do you have for Stock up? Yes. You actually somehow just read my mind. Stock Up Tomahawks. Oh, I did read your ride. One of my favorite scenes in a film ever is Mel Gibson going on an absolute rampage in The Patriot. Yes. And just throwing a Tomahawk through a guy’s head. And I’d say that James Reese had a couple of things like that in his book. That in just the description of Tom Hawk a badass. I definitely wouldn’t know how to wield one. Keith would definitely kill himself with one by accident. But for me, that was just like encapsulating a Seal really well. Dad, why have you never told us what you did at Fort Wilderness? It’s a great call from Bob, except for the whole Tom Hawk, me killing myself with one. I’d fucking dominate with one of those. But has there ever been a bad Tomahawk scene? Has ever been one pulled out and not a scene that’s been amazing after that. I think Last The Mohegan, I was about to say, the only other thing I could think of was Last The Mohicans, which was perfect other than FSU using it all the time. That chain is so cool. And the Braves used to use it, and FSU use it occasionally, but they overkilled it. They use it, like, every single down. If you’ve ever watched The FSU Game, another good movie with that is what’s, the Mel Gibson. He directed it. Oh, apocalypto. Although they have more like, war clubs. Is there Tomahawks in there or they like war clubs. I thought one of the tribes is, like, crushing people with Tomahawks, if I remember correctly. But I might be just, like, imagining that. Either way. Apocalypto. Crazy movie. Like the war club stuff. Very graphic. Can’t watch it with the fiance there. Bob. No. Yeah, we’re not watching that, actually. We did watch that film together, but I appreciate that. She’s a keeper. Keith, what else you ever stuck up? Tom Hawks is my only last one. Oh, wow. Quick one that I had was friendship. So a lot of this stuff with Reese, he would have got nowhere if it wasn’t for some good friends. And I’d say real friends. There’s friends, there’s good friends, and there’s real friends. And real friends give you an escort in New Mexico and let you murder a dozen gangbangers prostitutes. That’s my line. So I think we here on this podcast are good friends, because I don’t know if any of you guys would do that for me, but I’m hoping in my life that I get a real friend because I really want to murder gang bangers and prostitutes in Mexico and then have them give me $100,000 and say, Nice job. No doubt. All right, I got one last one. And it’s pretty simple. People are kind of down on killing these days. But killing stocks going way up for that, because, according to Reese, is one of the most natural things a person can do. No, not eating, not pooing, not sexing, but killing. Killing is one of the most natural things someone do. And killing isn’t about taking lives, man. It’s about saving lives, you dick. Because that’s what resets. And I thought that was pretty crazy, but amazing. He’s literally cutting a guy’s stomach open, like seppuku nature, straight Japanese feudalist society. Tying the guy’s entrails to a tree and making him run around it. And he’s sitting there going, this is how I saved lives. This is how I saved lives by killing him. And then on top of that, at the end, when he I think it’s Katie, right? Who, she has the bomb around her neck. And she’s like, how did you know that the bomb wasn’t going to go off? He’s like, I didn’t. It was like, I like that, actually. I actually really liked that. No, I liked it. I liked it. A lot, but it just didn’t really tie into his earlier idea about how showing those people is saving lives. I mean, it worked out for sure, but in theory, if they all died, who’s like, well, he hates the media. So, I mean, you lose one, it’s really a win, right? At that point. It definitely hates the leftist media. But let’s get into some stockdown with your testant one where he’s, like, twisting the guy. Can we talk about who we did that to? It was like the lowest level guy. He decided to torture the absolute most. I think it was Howard, who is, like, the guy below the general. It was the Jack. So it was like the attorney for Howard, the guy that was, like, carrying out orders, essentially. Yeah. I’m like, Why is this guy getting this treatment? It should have been the Mexican cartel guy, but did he give the order to kill his wife and kid? Because if he did, it makes a little bit more sense. It wasn’t even it was, like, his lackey. It’d be like James Bond doing that to Odd Job and not, like, the boss of whatever that movie was. It didn’t really tie in. It was awesome either way. But I did also appreciate talking back to military history, how he was like, yes, this was also used by Native Americans and this was also used by someone else. So I’m just picturing him, like, reading some history book that has some brutal torture in it. And he’s like, oh, this is where I should take a note on one of his other daughters drawings. He’s like, Let me put it here. Actually grabs a crayon. Grabs, like, a purple crayon and is like, taking notes just in case I ever get into a situation where I have to make some guy run around a tree with his intestines hanging out. I know exactly what to do. Not do. We have always spoilers of the show, but the show is pretty legit. There’s a couple of scenes that they keep in there that you’re like, Fuck, yeah. The movement I’ve only seen the first three episodes, I think, but even the movements are really cool. D Man, I know you were talking about that Navy Seal show, and I think Jack Carr actually trained Chris Pratt pretty thoroughly, like, how to move, like, a Navy Seal and everything. Do you remember that stairwell scene where he’s getting into the place? The apartment complex? Yeah. No, the show is definitely they do a good job. Yeah, they were pretty honest. Obviously unrealistic, though. But you don’t doubt that the people in our military people. Yeah. Well, I think at this point, Chris Pratt has had enough training. He was in zero dark. 30 grand. He had a small role, but I’m sure he was, like, part of that training. And then he did the I mean, obviously with the Jurassic Park, which I think he was a navy Seal that became a Jurassic Park ranger. So I’m sure he got some weapons training in that. And then he had another one that I can’t remember, but either way, yeah. Parks and Rec. So that was another big yeah during his mouse rat training. All right, let’s jump into stockdown. Keith, what do we have for stockdown? Well, I’m going to keep it the same theme that you just had and say stock down. Garth Brooks. I don’t know if you guys are familiar with Garth Brooks, but I didn’t really know him until college. Let’s be honest. Friends in Low Places is a fire song. It’s an amazing song. But at the end of day, it’s a lie. You need friends in high places. Dan just pointed it out. You need a Ben, that’s computer genius that can hack into things and find you all this information even though he’s a trader in front of me. You need Liz. You need a pilot that has unlimited funds and fly you everywhere on private jets. You need a Marco who can just hand you 100 grand and knows how to track on every single Mexican gang and give you all the information you need. You need people that can just go out and get you bomb material, not boil your cover. It’s like, wow, these people are all willing to risk their life in prison for you and they’re all at the top of their games and everything. It’s like, this is what you need for friends. So. Bob you’re out, kid. Demon we’ll see. I don’t know. You’re going to Mike. We’ll see where you come in. Well, I mean, hey, Garth Brooks was lying to us all. He is the best selling solo album artist ever. So he only has friends in high places. Good point. Fun little fact. There also Garth Brooks song Ireland may be one of the best songs ever made. And Keith, as an Irishman, you should listen to that song. Oh, really? Okay. It’s almost hard to find. It’s not even released anymore. I don’t even think it’s on Spotify. But his music you also can’t play on YouTube. Somehow he’s made it impossible. Yeah. So that’s how I used to listen to Ireland because Ireland is like a good pump up song. It’s kind of like these Irish guys, like going into battle to protect Ireland. It’s like very braveheart, except not Scotland. So, yeah, check it out. My first talk down is Ivy Leaguers in general. So all the bad guys in this are pretty much Ivy Leaguers. And the way that they’re explained or described in the book is they’re rapey. They are huge fans of babies that are porn and infidelity. They also are just somehow dumb. They’re just really dumb for being smart. So I guess being in the Ivy League doesn’t necessarily make you smart because they hire gang bangers to kill Reese. But the guys like these guys don’t even wait to confirm he’s in the house before killing his wife and kid, which just seems like that’d be a huge shit storm and the news would be all over that. So they don’t even wait for that. So that seems like a bad business decision to hire those gangbangers to do it. And then additionally, probably even more absurd is they hire like the jihadi assassin they hire has never fired a weapon in his life, and they hire him to kill an extremely well trained and angry Navy Seal who’s most likely carrying a weapon. It didn’t really check out from a thought experiment. He lives in California. You can’t shoot guns there. Gun laws are terrible.

 

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I think these Ivy Leaguers there’s probably more nepotism that got them into these smart schools and that got them in their high places than actual smarts because they did not handle this well whatsoever. Bobby, did you have a stock down? Yeah. So my first stock down is going to have to be coffee with cream and sugar. If there’s anything that says you’re not a Navy Seal to me, it’s if you don’t drink your coffee black. This is pretty much what I think of when I think of Keith. Just lots of cream, lots of sugar, and nothing good coming out of it. Extra light, extra sweet. I mean, my boy James raised drank it that way, so that’s all I got to do. That’s actually one of the only things Jack Carr was like let his guard down for the coffee thing. He’s like, you know what? I like my coffee with a little cream and sugar in it. Usually everything else. He’s like, I like my steak rare. I like my cars american. I like my fucking women. I don’t know what he said. By women. My women American. I like my women faithful or something. I don’t know. He’s very by the book or with everything else. So I was kind of surprised. Yeah. So I was going to wait to get into this, but I think we should just get into it now because we’re talking about it. How do we feel about Reese in general? Because one of the positives I had was that he was open to the idea of like, hey, I don’t need to drink black coffee to be tough. Like, I can enjoy a latte. There’s nothing wrong with that. I can enjoy a light beer. I don’t need to have this highfalutin Seattle IPA ballast Point bullshit I can have just now. I know, but I’m just saying he’s down to just drink a Coors Light and hang out. But he did fat shame a stripper, and he called her pregnant. And she might not have been pregnant. Probably wasn’t. And he also hates condiments, which I’m a huge condiment guy. And I think that if you’re in the field and you’re eating MRIs, which are disgusting, you need the condiments. You need the hot sauce. You need whatever they give you. On the side to beef it up. So I didn’t really like that about it, but those are my points. What do you guys feel about Reese? Are we on team Reese or are we off Team Reese? I’m not going to lie to you, I’m a huge Team Reese fan. But I would say the coffee thing threw me off a little bit. But I think Jack Carr must drink his coffee like that. Otherwise I don’t know why I did it. The only other thing I could think about is he had to give rise a flaw. So maybe that’s a flaw. He doesn’t like comments. He doesn’t like coffee, in fact, James Strippers, yes, those are his flaws. Outside of that, he’s pretty much perfect. So at least he had some flaws, though. Like, Vince Flynn didn’t make any flaws for me in this crap. He was too good at his job, Ken. He knew he was too smart, too dedicated to the game. Yes, too dedicated. He cared too much. Nothing wrong with that. Anna, I think in the second Mitch Rock book, he has a very long refractory period between having sex with Anna, or whatever her name was, I think in that it’s like Anna Riley. I can’t go twice in 20 minutes. So that was a flaw for Mid Trap, and I might have just made that up. 21 minutes is like, he’s good to go. Keith, you Team Reese. Well, I do think he has kind of a negative view on anyone that’s not military, which I’m a huge pussy, so I understand that he’s a Navy. Everyone else kind of took advantage of a Navy zeal as a spineless coward, which I completely get. But he also had this vendetta against people that looked at their phones too much and shitty drivers and overweight people. He’s like, look at this piece of and then people that spent a lot of money on tattoos, even though, like, most military people have tattoos. I was like, Is this guy? Like, I feel like he’s a mix between something that’s super open and super old man yelling at clouds. You know what I mean? I couldn’t get a read on him, honestly. He’s, what, 40 in the book? So he’s kind of like an old man seal. So I feel like he has a little bit of that personality where he sees the young cats coming in, tatted up, drinking their coffee black because it’s Muchau and whatever else he doesn’t like. And maybe kids using cell phones, and he’s trying to just use Pay as a go phone. So I think he doesn’t really like that. He was like, I couldn’t believe that after this explosion, people opened their phone to look at the news to see what happened. Who would possibly look at the phone? Yeah, I just watched a guy get vaporized, like, literally turned into dust in front of my face. I can’t believe you guys wanted to film it. It’s crazy. All right, Keith, what else do you have for stock down? We’re kind of overlapping here, but being a civilian was kind of a stock down and not being, like, in the military. But I will say one thing that I think I’m giving Jack Car a little bit hard time, but if I were him, I would write this exact same book. What he does is basically he actually works in the field. He’s a Navy Seal, and all he’s doing is writing a book about all the people he works with that he fucking hates. He’s like, Fuck NCIS. They’re the worst. Like, fuck these generals. I’ve never been. I’m like, yes. I would do the same thing where you could just, like, write a book that’s just a spite book, where you’re like, talking about all the shit you don’t like, and then you put it in a fiction part and you’re like, yeah, this is fictional. It’s like, oh, I get it. I understood what he’s doing there, and I appreciate it. Actually, it almost sounds like a Seinfeld episode or something if Jerry just wrote a thing. Actually, George would just write, like, a spite novel, and he asked Elaine to read it, and she’s like, this is like, half of this is about me. I think this is me, right? I do give him a little bit of shit for it, but at the same time, I’m like, yeah, I get it. Yeah. If you could like, if I was going to write if I was a good enough writer yeah, if I was a good enough writer and could write a book about the next office space or whatever, there would be a lot of people who would be like, sounds very white. She’s my first, last, and middle name. My next talk down is and you’ve alluded to it, but it’s California. It’s a terrible state. I can’t believe you both live there. It’s a state that has laws that dictate almost every aspect of daily life. You can’t wipe your ass without the state coming at you and wanted to take a little piece of it. And I’m not talking a piece of that TP. They want some kickback. They don’t let people carry guns wherever they want. I mean, he made that very clear. And I think that’s bullshit. People should just be able to carry a gun wherever, whenever. It doesn’t matter. Jack Carr was definitely pissed that he was like, a Navy Seal can’t just, like, carry a gun. It’s like, maybe when you’re not overseas fighting Al Qaeda and you’re just walking into Walmart, like, maybe you don’t need a gun. It’s a crazy idea. But I’m not like, at Walmart, seeing a guy that’s dressed like he’s pretend Navy Seal. Me like, is that guy Navy Seal? Is he not? Well, he’s got a gun, so I’m feeling better about myself. Yeah, but either way, California is terrible mission laws. He couldn’t even drive his land cruise around. There’s only Tesla fill up stations around. He couldn’t pay for gas at $7 a gallon, but he could light bonfires on the beach. That’s a good gripe. But what I did think was funny was like, the one thing we still have is we can have bonfires on the beach. Which I’m pretty sure you can’t do in California, right? No, they have like designated it’s not like you just post up a random place. They have spots where you can do the fire. Okay, so maybe he was right on that. But in general you get taxed on it, though. You get taxed on it. Yeah. It was like if people had a game drinking game or whatever and there was a drinking game associated with this book, it’d be every time he shits on California drink and you would be wasted in one reading session because he just shits on California left and right. Gridlock traffic, boom, drink. Bob, do you have any other stock down? I’d say my only other stock down might be the book name Terminalist. Because to Keith’s point earlier, it’s pretty on the nose of exactly what it’s about. So, you know, not that that’s a bad thing, but I don’t think it could be any more obvious what it’s about with his killing spree and also the fact that he’s terminally ill. Yeah, that was good. I thought it’s double on tonsure or double meaning there no it does carry that. Maybe I’m wrong. Yeah, kids sold and immediately bought back. Hey, this stock went up pretty quick. Sold all of his game stock stock. And I was like, no, I buy more Game stock. This could have been the other name for the Tom Hanks movie, the Terminal. It could have been just the terminal. You’d be like, oh, I was going to gate a six. Like no, it’s a seven. I wish they killed people in that movie. Jesus Christ. That movie sucks. I wish people were dying in that movie. That movie is based on a true story. Some guy actually did that, which is crazy. That movie was awful. I think we’ve talked about that on this spot. But that movie was terrible. I don’t think I’ve ever watched the movie and I don’t think I ever watch just the worst accent by Tom Hanks. It’s ever it’s awful. It has good rating, too, somehow. I have no idea how it’s Tom Hanks, so you got to do it. Any other stock downs? Throw a quick one out there. Childproof home stock down. He has a three year old in his house and he’s talking about, like pulling off Tomahawks and shit from the walls and he’s like, then there’s my gun right there sitting on the wall. Historic. I’m like, Wait, what? You literally have knives and swords on their walls and you just have a three year old walking around? I was like, alright. Hey. Or power to you. Luckily, California hasn’t regulated that. Thank God. Thank God. Well, it’s also which he does talk about how he can’t just take guns off the base because he’s like, California, you just can’t carry an AR 15 around. It’s bullshit. But maybe he’s trying to train Lucy there, his daughter, R-I-P. Maybe he’s trying to train her to be a Seal because these leftist government people are thinking about letting women in the Seals. Can you believe that? Brought up in the book? That was brought up in the book, yeah. Oh, really? Long live the brotherhood, is what their quote is, because they’re not caring about what’s actually happening around. They’re too busy trying to get women in the Seals. Absurd. What are they going to do? The enemy is going to smell demonstrating. All right, so I think that covers up. Bob. Thanks for joining us for Stock Up SmackDown. It was a blast. It’s great to talk to you, and I’m glad you brought this book to our attention, my friend. Thanks for having me, guys. I’ll talk to you later. All right, Keith, I think we don’t need to necessarily drop in to pick your character, do we? I think we kind of covered it with our chat about Reese there. But if you had some more info in terms of just favorite character, I would probably go with Liz. I like the pilot. Yeah, the pilot. Yeah, I think you had mentioned it before. She’s a true friend. She’s like, you know what? You saved my life. I’m going to do whatever I can to fulfill my kind of role here. And that includes flying around everywhere. And again, she’s going to prison for 60 years. She’s a real friend. Or for a while. She’s definitely a real friend. I would definitely go out, give that one fly to get someone out of trouble, and then play jiggers. Oh, I didn’t realize they were on the run. But once you’re flying them around, like, across the country, everywhere, I don’t know if that’s a little bit much, but she kind of ride or die, and I appreciate that. And I also like the Southern accent. And even though she supports Alabama football, I don’t think she’s a band waggoner, so I appreciate that also. Yeah, if she just did the one flight, she could have been like, oh, he held me up at gunpoint, or whatever. Right. But then it’s like, okay, well, what were you doing in between when you were just sitting on the tarmac and he was out and gone? You could have just flown away and called the cops. And she’d be like, he tied me up. I guess you’re kind of screwed. What happened when that cop stopped you and you played it off for him at a gunpoint? And obviously he saved her life from torture and dismemberment and all sorts of terrible things. So you do owe someone to an extent, but you want above and beyond. Yeah, like, the other guy who gave him his boat was like, now we’re even. And she is literally doing everything to sabotage her own career and her own life. Although I did appreciate how Jack Carr wrote in like, that Reese actually had a plan in terms of, we’re going to send you to Mexico. You’re going to have a job. She didn’t seem to have a family, so I was like, okay, that’s Joe. Like, I’ll have a sweet job in Mexico and then maybe be able to get back into the state. But he did say, whenever they ask about me, just agree with everything they say. It’s like there’s only a limit that you can agree to before. It’s like, you were definitely an accomplice in this. I was a big Liz fan myself. She also seems like a total badass, and I appreciate that. It’s nice when you in these macho bravado books, which are definitely geared and written towards men. It’s nice to have a badass woman involved, too, because even in, like, the Mitch Rap stuff, usually the women are more timid. Let’s say Kennedy. Kid kennedy was like, the best characters in those books. I don’t know why you sleep on her. Yeah, I know. I do sleep on Kennedy, but not sexually. But you know what I’m saying. If you think it’s sexual to sleep on someone yeah. What? Some people are into that. There’s all smushing stuff. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. We don’t yuck anyone dumb here. Kid I bet. Hand up. What about your favorite scene? What do you have for favorite scene? The two. I think that we kind of touched on them, but the cutting off the dude’s head and the mosque and then the unraveling, the dude’s intestine. I mean, those are pretty epic scenes, both with the tomahawk. That’s why I was the stock up there. And I already mentioned it, too. It was kind of weird that he gave the most gruesome shit to people. That not the worst people out there. So it was kind of funny. They’re all bad. The mosque. I was an example of what you like, which is sending a message to the entire league. Oh, God. By going to the mosque, cutting off the guy’s head, and then impaling him on a spike in front of the mosque, hanging an ISIS flag, that sends a message not only to your adversaries, but also to your adversaries abroad. Hey, I’m on to you, and I’m coming for you. The only problem with that was if he outwardly doesn’t look like a terrorist and you’re just cutting off some random Muslim person’s head, you’re like, oh, this person is just attacking because we’re Muslim. It’s like, that’s probably not the best look you needed to post all this traitorous acts on his head. Get some context there. Anything? He just radicalized, like, 10,000 more people. Because it’s just like, oh, this mom who runs this mosque that everyone likes, and he seems like a super nice guy. His deranged Navy Seal just came in and cut his head off. It’s probably not going to show too good on the Al Jazeera news, but he doesn’t think about that. Also, I had a little bit of a concern with that scene just so that he cuts off his hand, basically, and then he chops him with the tomahawk in the leg before cutting off his head as he’s walking through this mask. I guess we’re just supposed to assume that no one’s in there anymore. But our boy would be covered in blood. Like, covered head to toe, like, dripping in blood. And he’s just like, yeah, I walked out to the mosque. I went on the front steps, yet no one’s there. I’m just banging this guy, hammering this guy’s head onto a spike, like my own business. You would be like, literally dripping in blood. So I guess I’ve been there before.

 

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Yeah. But I did like that. My favorite scene might be the gang banger house when he goes in, like, room to room and kills them all because they’re just, like, in their drunken revelry and banging all these prostitutes. Actually, according to Jack Carr, two naked guys were, and I quote, pounding away at a prostitute. Like, bro. Like, that’s how you’re going to phrase it. Pounding away. It seems a little crass, but, you know, what did you want it to be? Like making love to the property? What would you want that? I don’t know. Just pounding away. I didn’t care for the additive. That’s fine. They’re both banging for Ozzy, but pounding is despicable. Pounding away at I don’t know, it’s a little much for me, but I like the idea of it almost being like, what’s the can of Reese movies? John Wick. It was like a John Wick scene with lights flashing in his house, like some black lights and all this stuff. And him just like, going in room to room and just putting these guys out one by one. And if some of these trafficked women get in the way, that’s on them. That’s not his fault. It’s all about killing. He’s saving lives. He’s saving lives. Saving lives. Good. Okay, let’s jump into love. Hey, Keith, what did you love about the terminal list? I like that it’s a quick read, fast paced. I mean, the scenes really just played like we always have, like, a movie in your head. Some of the stuff that we talked about earlier, which annoyed me, is that you got taken out of those scenes because it was so much like, I have a gripe with this. I’m going to add it to the book, which I didn’t care for, but that’s his POV. He actually lives it. So I didn’t have as much of a problem with it because of that. But I really did like that it was gripping. It was a fun read. Yeah. I mean, this ties into it’s the summer. It’s a total dude beach read. I just went down to the beach and I just listened to it. I put my Tommy Bahama chair out with the cooler in the back, cracked to twitty, and just sat there like, listening to this guy behead people as these kids are playing Rover Red Rover next to me. I’m just like, wow, this is a lot of different shit going in my head that’s happening at this beach. But it was a wonderful dichotomy. But yeah, I really enjoyed that as well. And also, who doesn’t just like a solo man taking down a government conspiracy. I mean, hey, that trope just works. We’re talking James Bond. We got Mitch Rapp, who’ve already mentioned Bob Lee Swagger. Jackar mentioned that he had read the book. I can’t remember what book, like Influence Shooter. But he read that book and as he was writing this book, had the idea of Antoine Fuqua, who directed the first episode of the TV show, who also did Training Day and a shooter. He was like, this is the guy. I want to direct the show eventually when it comes out. So he had that idea in mind. And it might be trophy, but it’s a trope that works. So there’s no problem with stuff like that. So I definitely like that as well. Okay, what about hate? Yes, I think we also covered a lot of this, and this is more like a probably a political argument, but he didn’t want government oversight on him. This happens a lot of these books where these people shouldn’t have power to do all these things and things, but I should. But then there’s people that are like you and your position that are bad. Yeah, that always doesn’t make sense to me, where they’ll argue, my group of people should do it because we’re more just like but then the next person that comes along might not be that. So why would you give yourself more power? No, I 100% agree with you. I will say that I can also understand the other side, where it’s like, hey, we’ve seen the shit. We’re boots on the ground. We’ve seen all this stuff happen. And the people that are pulling the strings are these loser Ivy Leaguers who are just looking for votes and lobbyists and stuff like that. A lot of the stuff he said about equipment, about them not being able to get the best equipment because of this stupid government bureaucracy, I’m totally on board with. I don’t really like bureaucracy in general, but at the same time, there needs to be checks and balances. That’s how a good government works, in my opinion. So just you being able to go free reign because we trust you is just not going to work. It’s not a thing. And I don’t feel necessarily like this book at all or Jack Carr was, like, pushing a political agenda outside of California. But there were times where even the secretary of Defense, who was leftist leaning, I kind of thought she made some good points. He was kind of phrasing them to be like bad points in terms of like, oh, we got to support these guys with PTSD and stuff like that. And I’m sure he supports those kinds of things as a person. But just the way that they made kind of like the left leaning points, it made them very seem like they were terrible. But they do a better job in the show. So when you watch the show, you’ll be like, oh, it’s not as bad. It’s so bad. But it’s not so black and white like it is in the book. Yeah, he just made it seem like his points were very clear and obvious. But I guess the person that would go out and kill all these people has to have that mindset. They can’t be like, well, maybe they were thinking they have to be like, no, I’m right. This is how I’m going to do shit. If that’s the character, that’s the character. And I do like how he did a kind of like Stanford Prison experiment, like the Tuskegee syphilis stuff, which if you read into that, it’s fucking bankers. The stuff government does is terrible. A lot of the time. I think we’re all on the same page with them with like, the government sucks. I’m like, yes. And the media sucks. I’m like, yes. I’m bored with all that stuff. Yeah, I’m on board with all that. But at the same time, it’s not like one person who’s super trained or like a group of people who are super trained should be like, have free rein to have a Walmart. I also didn’t like the fact that one, I didn’t really understand how he knew Ben was going to betray okay, so this is my other hate too. So I’m glad we’re getting into this. How did he know he was going to betray him? He’s like, I’m going to go up to what was it, maine or New Hampshire or something like that and just to camp out. But only Ben knows this. And I’ll tell him. It’s like, well, how would you even think that he was going to portray you? Well, he thought about it because Bob pointed out or you pointed out because he cheated on his wife. He cheated on his wife. And he was like, I like Edward Snowden. He’s like, oh, you must be a fucking traitor. Or he didn’t like Edward Snowden. Sorry. Edward Snowden was against the garbage. That’s why he liked him. But then he’s like, oh, they’re going to send up like a team of contractors and probably the FBI. And I’m going to fucking just like, go to town on these motherfuckers. And then he’s like, oh, sure, there’s baby seals out there. Never mind. It’s like, wait, so you’re ready to kill FBI agents that were going to come that are innocent, just as innocent as anyone else. They have no idea. But you weren’t going to kill them because they’re Navy Seals. It’s like, that’s kind of I didn’t care for that. I was like, all right, that’s kind of stupid. I think this book needed that fun twist, and he tried to do it with Ben, but it just didn’t make any sense. They didn’t build Ben up to be a big enough character for the twist to be anything interesting. And then the twist itself was just like, oh, Ben lent me his house, and now the military is at my house, so Ben must be a trader. It didn’t make it like, oh, shit. It was just like, okay, cool. Ben being a bad guy. The twist itself wasn’t interesting to me whatsoever. It had no aspect. And he’s like, you’re my best friend. And I was like, Wait, this guy is your best friend? It seems like you guys were like, cool. But he wasn’t, like, your best friend, right? Your best friend, I thought, was like, boomer. Or whoever that got murdered. I thought that was your best friend. Or Marco or Liz. Those all seem to be much ben, here’s some information. It’s like, okay, and then you get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Did he just like Ben because he said bro all the time? Bro. I mean, Timmy Riggins kills the role. I will say, oh, yeah, good job. But the thing is, at the end, you’re actually like, no. Like Tiny Riggings. No. I wasn’t a huge fan of all the detail. I think there’s a level to that which I like in terms of explaining what kind of weapons they’re using and how his head is popping off. That helps you visualize it. But when it gets to the point where he’s explaining his entire equipment system and everything down to the T, or even when he shoots the Muslim guy, when he shoots him, he’s like, I pressed down with my right index finger and it shot him through this muscle. And it’s like, I don’t know anatomy. This book should be written for people that are not super smart. So unless you’re a doctor, like a medic on a Seal team, you wouldn’t really be able to visualize what he’s talking about. It just took up a lot of pages. I’d much rather have the mentality of what the person is thinking than that, which I think Vince Flynn does an amazing job of. Like, this is the reason I’m going in this way. I put my back to the wall because this is what I want to be checking out for you. You’re almost like gang in the mind of the guy versus like, okay, this is what I was carrying, and here’s all the equipment. It’s like, that doesn’t get me into the mindset. That’s just like statistics, okay? Who cares? I think it’s a good point. I think Vince Flynn kind of explains it in a way where a layman is now understanding, oh, this is why he’s doing this. This is the fastest helicopter in the military. This is the reason we use it, because you need to fly under the radar at a certain miles per hour. And it’s like, oh, okay, I get it. This is the chinook. This okay. Yeah, exactly where it’s like, oh. He just explained the weapon system he was using but didn’t say why. That is a preferred method. The only time that he did that I thought it was really good was when he was talking about suppressors and he was like, oh, it actually doesn’t make it that much quieter, but better for recoil. And it definitely quiet it a little bit, but it’s like all these other factors. Oh, okay, now I know why they’re using suppressors. I like to learn a little bit when I’m doing this and I really felt like I was just being told things as opposed to learning along with it. All right, let’s get to listen to mail. What do you read for listener mail? You’ve got mail. Sarah from Seattle, Washington. Liz Riley uses her boobs and southern accent to get out of a ticket from a police officer. What is your go to move to do the same? Well, thank you for doing this here, but Liz Riley and Anna Reilly, we have Anna Riley and the Mitch rapper. Oh, yeah, that’s a good point. Okay, so sorry. The question was she uses her breasts and southern accent to get out of a ticket. What do I do? Yeah, I cry like a baby. What do you mean? You just break down? I do the opposite. I’m the complete opposite of Reese. I would just be the biggest pussy that’s ever existed. I would just be like, oh, my God. I don’t know what I was doing. I’ve actually done this before. I was in high school or something, but someone was trying to go across a crosswalk and I didn’t see him. And I just dropped through the crosswalk and a cop was sitting right there and pulled me over and I was just like, oh, my God, this is my stepmom’s car. She’s going to be so upset with me. Oh, my God. I’ve never had a ticket. I was faking. Like, I was on the verge and the guy was like, wow, loser. Hey. My God. I did not think this was I thought, this is going to be very standard. It’s a $50 ticket. Oh, my God. I made him so physically uncomfortable. That’s the key by the weakness that I was showing that. He was like, I just need to get out of this situation because I’m uncomfortable for you. Yeah. You go one end of the spectrum, either go absolute disgust or incredible attractiveness. One of the two. You can’t go in between. What do you have? You flash a little late. What I would do usually is. Put a Southern accent on and pull my shirt down. So I’d pull the list. That’s the answer. Hey there, officer. What can I help you with? That’s a terrible Southern accent. I knew I was going to butcher that. Damn it. You screamed. If I hear it, I pick it up. Usually. Let’s hear your Southern accent. Oh, well, officer, I thought you just need some cool lemonade. Maybe come down to my man’s place and we can do some rumbling in the hay piles. Is anyone else turned on as much as I am right now? Jesus Christ. Can you give me some answering machine messages with that, boys? I used to run a 900 number. That’s how I got the money for my microphone. So we don’t really need to cast the movie here, right? Like, they cast it. They did it. Do you have any no. I feel like I just watched the series so quickly that I can’t well, it is good to note that Jack Carr wanted Chris Pratt, like he said as he was writing this, which was in 2015 or something, chris Pratt hadn’t done anything. Besides, he saw him in a very small role in Zero Dark 30 and was like, this is my guy. He’s like, I want this guy. And I think you probably heard this from the rogue one, but we’ll repeat it here in case anyone listens to us and said that you’re Rogan. But one of his SEO buddies, who he hadn’t talked to in a long time, caught up with him and says, hey, he told me he’s writing a book. He’s like, oh, that’s great. And he said he could send him a copy of it. And he was like, can you send me another copy? I have a friend who wants to read it. And it was Chris Pratt who, like, Jack Hard wanted to play this part, of course. And before the book even got released, chris Pratt bought the option to make it into a movie or a TV series, which is pretty crazy turn of events, especially, this is the guy you want to play him. And then he just bought the rights to it. So I thought that was a pretty cool story. All right, let’s get to it. Terminalist Keith, would you recommend it? Yeah, it’s probably more of a guy’s book, but if you like a Grey Man, you like a Vince Flynn. This is right up that vein. I think it’s one of the better stories or like, concepts that I’ve read from one of these action books, so I really appreciate that. There are some things, again, that I mentioned that take out of the book, but if you like those type of things, you’re going to like this book. I don’t think there’s anyone that’s going to be like, I like those two, but I didn’t like this one. I think that’s right in the same vein. I think it’s very solid. Yeah, especially considering it’s the summer and the TV series has just come out. I mean I know, Libby, the request for this book went insane. It was like a month before, like last month when this thing was going to come out, so I figured a lot of people are on board, but yeah, definitely a guides book. But if you’re at the beach whatnot? This is the perfect kind of book. It’s an easy read. Pick up, put down, have a good time with, enjoy the battles and some guy dragging his intestines around a tree and then eventually getting eaten by critters. Okay, so we’re going to be on a brief hiatus, but what do we have coming up next? The seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo By, Taylor Rick Jenkins Reid We already read one of her novels. Daisy Jones. Daisy Jones VI. Yeah. So this is her more popular book. Yeah. So looking forward to that. Cool. Well, everyone out there, thanks for listening. Terminal list. Check out us, check out the book, check out the show on Amazon Prime and let us know what you think. Until then, bye now. Bye. Out.