Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Parts 1 & 2 – MOVIE – Episode 113
The Buddies sadly close out their epic pilgrimage into the Harry Potter world with Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Parts 1 & 2. In this episode, they discuss a wide range of topics, including fearing death, goblin-wizard relations, and casting couches. Plus, they tackle the age-old question: Is it okay to slow dance with your best friend’s girlfriend alone in your room? So, grab your popcorn and tissues as we watch the final movies of this epic, life-changing series.
Intro (0:00-1:55)
Stock Up/Down (1:56-46:45)
Favorite Scene/Character (46:46-53:59)
Love/Hate (54:00-1:04:14)
Lingering Questions (1:04:15-1:08:25)
Conclusion (1:08:26-1:10:14)
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Alright. Welcome to the book club. I’m Dylan here with the one and only guy I wanna hunt horcruxes with. Keith, what’s up, buddy? Dylan, I’m feeling deathly and hollow after finishing this series.
Yeah. It’s it’s been, like, 4 months that I’ve just been thinking about Harry Potter. It was even last night, I was putting my daughter to bed. She’s 2 months old. So I’m I’m putting her to bed, and she was fast asleep.
But I have to give her this bottle. Otherwise, she’ll be up all night. And so she’s fast asleep, so I’m trying to feed her. I’m trying to get as much possibly inside of her so that she won’t wake up sooner. And the whole time, I was felt like I was Harry and she was Dumbledore in the cave because I’d be like, come on.
One more sip. One I said, one more sip. One more sip. And then just squeezing her mouth open to, like, force some milk down. Mhmm.
And she would do it. I’d be like, that’s so good. You’re doing so good. And then she’d be like, I don’t want anymore. And I’d be like, one more sip.
One more sip. I was just waiting for the inferior to come out and and start attacking me. But, yeah, I I had a Harry Potter. And, basically, that’s been my life the last few months. I’ve just been associating everything with Harry Potter.
It’s it’s a hollow feeling for sure, especially once you start reading other books that you realize are not the same as this masterpiece. Yep. But here we are. Here at The Buddy Book Club, we’re breaking down some box office bangers, and this week, we’re discussing 2010 and 2000 eleven’s Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows films. That’s part 1 and part 2.
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5 stars would be nice. Follow us on social channels, please, and thanks. Keith, let’s jump into, Deathly Hallows part 1 and 2. So with some stock up, stock down, stock up. What do you got?
Stock up fearing death. Oh. Yeah. As a species, we’re born, you know, to survive and fear death. I mean, all animals are.
And that’s really why that scene where Harry knows he has to die is so powerful is because you’re basically walking into something that from the very first day you’re born, you’re programmed to not want to do. Yeah. But it’s just this really really heart wrenching scene where it’s, like, oh, now I have to sacrifice myself for the the good of everyone else. But after that happens in the movie, not in the book, not canon, Harry gets into a 1 on 1 battle with Voldemort. Mhmm.
And frankly, this scene I thought was pretty stupid. I thought the book was cinematic. It was, like, perfect. This one on 1 match up, everyone to watching the big showdown. And the movie, they’re like, why don’t we just make this like a cartoon?
And they’re, like, jumping around. It’s almost kinda like the Battle of Mustafar, where, Obi wan and Anakin are just like jumping around every single, like, prop and the whole point. Floating floating droid. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So they’re they’re fighting. And then at one point, Harry just grabs on to Voldemort and is like, you’re coming with me and I’m gonna fall to my death and kill him. Mhmm. So he’s just no longer afraid of dying.
But it, like, kind of ruins the whole scene before that where it’s this whole big thing of, like, I don’t wanna die. I don’t wanna have to do this. I don’t you know, this whole, like, thing you have to go through. 4 4 minutes later, he’s like, fuck it. Grabs onto him.
I’ll jump and just kill myself. It was like Yeah. What? What? Are you kidding me?
That was the best part because it was an homage to point break with Johnny Utah and Bodhi jumping out of the airplane, and he’s like, pull the chute. Pull the chute. And he’s like, no. I’m not gonna pull the chute. It was point break.
That’s what they just recreated in the Harry Potter universe. But but also Voldemort can fly. You can’t. So I don’t really understand. Yeah.
There’s no there’s no risk for Voldemort. He’s like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Alright.
Whatever. Yeah. He’s like, okay. I I didn’t get it all. Yeah.
Yeah. I I didn’t care for that final showdown either. It was also in the book, and and correct me if I’m wrong because it’s been a couple weeks. But he, like, slips out of Hagrid’s shoulders as Neville’s doing the whole snake thing and puts the invisibility cloak on and kinda slips away. And they’re like, where’s where’s where’s Harry?
Whereas in this one, he just, like, falls out of Hagrid’s arms. He’s like, I’m alive. Here I am. Come catch me. And, like, runs away.
It’s like, Yeah. The whole sequence was was pretty dumb. Neville’s whole thing too is, like, he pulls the the sword out, and it means something at that moment because he then kills the, the snake with it. Mhmm. But we don’t get that for, like, 5 more minutes.
So it’s just like, They made the snake thing elongated when that should have been just Neville’s moment right there in front of everyone. Right. And then no one’s watching at the end. So it just seems like I’m like, where did everyone go? It looks seems like everyone’s gone.
I guess it’s, like, kind of a fizzle. It’s just like, I guess they’re fighting, but that’s where it goes. The nice part about the book, like you said, was it was this final showdown in the great hall, mano a mano, Voldemort versus Harry. Everyone’s there cheering him on, and the the best part about that scene, like we talked about in in the book pod, is Harry just being like, hey, Tom. Your wand’s not gonna work.
I know all this stuff. Don’t aren’t you worried about it? Aren’t you worried about it? You’re not the owner. Haven’t you been noticing weird stuff?
Yeah. And just, like, talking trash right before the spell rebounds and and Dumbledore kills kills himself. Excuse me, Voldemort. They always do that. If they’re gonna change stuff, I think they also especially since they didn’t they put, like, no emphasis on the whole Expelliarmus?
Yeah. That was, like, a huge emphasis where they don’t put any emphasis in the movie. It should have been, like, Protego shield protecting his friends like his parents did for him and then bounce back or something. Like, something that where there’s symbolism, you know, for for that. Oh.
But instead, it’s just by himself, and then I talked about this later, but, like, then he kills him. I don’t even know how. It’s the the spell rebounds. So that’s the same. But he turns into, like, gladiator for a minute.
You know what I’m talking about? His, like, body falls apart and then, like, we fall like a leaf in the the sky, and you have, like, this music playing. I was like, He goes to a he went to Elysium? Yeah. So it happens.
I’m like, wait. What’s going on? Do you know the scene that all the time in Gladiator, it’s all that artsy, like The wheats? When he Yeah. He’s like hands, like, feeling hands to your wheatgrass.
Yeah. That’s what happens for the movie. I was like I was like, what the hell is happening here? Yeah. I don’t know why they did the Marvel movie, when Thanos snaps his fingers and he just, like, disintegrates.
I’m not sure why that would be different than anything else. But I was okay with that part. It was more just the fight, I thought. It didn’t need to be fixed. It was Yeah.
It was really well done in in the in the book, and you had the opportunity to do it. All the set was there. You know, you you really it didn’t add anything to it besides this flying around Voldemort Harry thing. Especially since our criticisms in the past have been they had so much action in the scene, and they didn’t take they took it away. Instead, they just did, like, the dueling lightning bolts.
You know? And then this one, they’re like, alright. We’ll add a ton of actions. Like, no. This is what we don’t need there.
Like, you should’ve done that for the other times, and now you put it in. It’s cartoonish now. Yeah. And I have more on the action in gen in general later. But, but, yeah, I agree.
The the Nagini thing was a little odd too with, like, her Ron and Hermione doing that thing. I don’t know. So I was glad they put Ron and Hermione getting the Basilisk fang in because we didn’t see that in the book. It was just they gave birth to her. Make out, which I thought was better, and then then there was in the book.
So I’ll give them props for that. There was innuendo all throughout that scene. You remember I think there were a lot of percussion. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
I’m picking up what you’re putting down. My first stock up oh, god. I should now I’m following it up with this. Whatever. My first stock up is a casting couch stock up.
So, yeah, hear me out here. The casting couch is really just if we boil the meaning behind it, it’s really just an opportunity to see if there’s chemistry between 2 amateur talents. Right? That’s really the goal. Let’s see if there’s chemistry between these 2 amateur talents.
And maybe, you know, there is, and they’ll go on to bigger and thicker things. Or, you know Which which where are you seeing these guys? What is it? What’s the website? And I’m not suggesting they should have made 11 year old Daniel Radcliffe make out with 9 year old Bonnie Wright, at the beginning of this whole series, but it is a $1,000,000,000 franchise.
So maybe. You know? Oh, to see if their chemistry Yeah. To see if there’s some chemistry. I was like, wait.
What think I was talking about? I was like, what does this have to do with either? Yeah. There’s just there’s just no chemistry with Ginny. I mean Okay.
We actually get. It was funny because in our podcast bring it up like that. I know. I’m gonna forget and forget. In in the podcast about the the shoe tying thing, I was like, oh, you don’t even tie someone’s shoes unless it’s, like, at a formal event or like that.
I don’t even know what I was thinking, but it makes sense to me. But what do you know? There is a formal event, Bill and Fleur’s wedding, and Ginny needs someone to help zip up her dress, a very classic trope. Harry, come zip it up. And then they have a kiss, but me and the wife were sitting on the couch watching this, and we both had the same thought, which is they didn’t even show them kiss.
And the angle at which they filmed it, it’s very clear that they didn’t kiss. Like, the 2 actors didn’t kiss. They filmed it like a passion cove, like a skin a max type sex scene. Yeah. They’re supposedly having sex, but you can tell by the angle.
It’s like, no, that’s just not that’s just not how bodies work. And that was the same with this kiss. Like, if you go back and look at it, it was like, oh, they filmed it in a way that you can’t see them kiss, like, for this reason. Their heads are tilted weird way. They’re obviously not kissing because they have they have no chemistry.
That was my thought, which is true for sure. But then we finally do get a kiss between them towards the end at the Battle of Hogwarts, and the kiss we see is the most dispassionate kiss I’ve ever seen in my whole life. I kiss my sister more passionately than these two people kissed each other. It was like Alright. What what is happening here?
So now I understand why they didn’t have them kiss in the first one because they must have done it. They had a take where they kissed, and they were like, oh my god. This is gonna ruin the entire movie because people won’t stop thinking about this. So let’s fit a kiss in, but let’s do it in the last 10 minutes of the second movie so that people are already past it. But, yeah, it it’s it’s just continues to blow me away throughout the series how the chemistry is, like, 2 opposites.
Can I And they would’ve gotten your hot bodied? Me kissing my sister? No. No. The, the animated version of Harry and and Hermione kissing.
I was like, oh. The an animated version? You know how, like, there he’s seeing it in the, the locket? Like Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. They showed that, and I’m like, I’m kinda into this. I don’t know what to do. Well, I guess since we’re here, let’s let’s talk about because there is a a big divide, I feel like, about the Harry and Hermione dance scene, the dirty dancing that happens in the tent.
How did you feel about that? Was because there was chemistry there for sure. Yeah. I don’t know. That was that that that felt a little bit off putting.
I felt like that was kinda cheating, honestly. Cheating how? If you’re doing, like, an intimate dance like that, it’s it’s one thing to do, like, a fun dance. Oh, you meant, like, it was cheating on Ron. Like, she was cheating on Ron.
Yeah. Like, if Ron walked in on that, that’d be the same as walking in on its own making out. If it’s in, like, a big group setting alright. Whatever. It’s kinda weird still, but it’s 1 on 1 in a room by yourself in a bedroom.
Yeah. And you’re 2 people listening to music, and they’re they’re not swing dancing and doing, like, fun dancing and doing, like, the chicken dance. They’re doing slow dancing, hands on on, close to to buttocks. You know? Pop fiction kind of dancing.
You know? They’re not at the Yeah. The Bebop, Rocksteady, whatever that dance hall is, or restaurant. Yeah. No.
I agree. It was something more. I mean, it was to the point where they show that one bit at the end when they stop dancing and look at each other, and at least my mind went, are they gonna kiss right now? You know, is this gonna be total notkin in? Is the bring up your sister thing is if you were dancing with your sister at a wedding like that, 100% fine.
Everyone would be like, oh, that’s really nice. If you do that in a room together by yourself, now you’re like Tuesday night. Right. So, like, that that’s the difference. Or you could tell it’s like, oh, that’s a little weird.
Right? A 100%. No. Yeah. I thought I thought the same thing, and it was an it was an interesting ad.
And I looked it up because I was interested to see what the Internet thought about it, and there are Reddit threads about this. With most people being on the side of it’s totally fine. It’s 2 people missing, which is a weird take, but it’s one person that got a lot of upvotes or whatever. So it’s it’s pretty much 2 people missing their loved ones, you know, Ginny and Ron, and they’re platonic friends and kind of having some emotion with each other which I didn’t really follow. And then a lot of stuff was around it’s ridiculous that people can’t think that like a man and a woman can be friends platonically and just enjoy each other’s company.
And it’s like, that’s not that it yeah. It’s like We both been 16 and yeah. 16 and you’re just, like, invite you by yourself for that long. I mean, I I don’t know how you out I’ll still take that. You know what I mean?
If it were 2 if it were 2 60 or, like, 80 year olds dancing like that, 100% completely fine. Well, hold on a second. STDs highest rates are on college campuses and retirement homes. So We’re going really deep on this. Retirement homes.
People are getting I don’t mind. I don’t mind. Throw shade on the on the AARP community. Yeah. I just wanted to talk about that dance because it was something that wasn’t in the book, and they threw in there.
And But they did a good chemistry. I’ll give it to you. Yeah. Good point. Yeah.
What else do you have for stock up? Stock up goblins hating wizards. Okay. Yeah. I think in the book, we kind of had talked about how the goblins’ mindset and kind of who they are as people is a little bit questionable, morals and ethic wise.
In the movie though, we see 1, we get to the we get to Gringotts’ end. The wizards are the policing body there. So it’s not the actual goblins themselves controlling. They don’t have like sovereignty, like when a police force is from a different country and you’re protecting yourselves. That’s gonna be immediately draw hate towards the other group.
Then Harry gets there, casts the imperious curse on that bank teller. He’s just a bank teller. He’s not a nefarious person. He’s not mean in any way. All his job is to is to do his job is to protect the money in there and protect the assets of wizards Uh-huh.
Assets. Peloton and Imperius curse, walks him out in front of the dragon as a laugh, and the dragon blows fire on him and kills him. Well, as we hear of it, they bounce out of there, sucks with the goblin. See you later. But that seems the enemy’s start right there.
They don’t care of you. They don’t value, your life, and they are the ones who control, the policing of your of your civilization. So I understand it now. Stock up. Yeah.
That goblin, he was he was just punching a a time sheet or whatever. Like 9 to 5. Punching 9 to 5. Yeah. It actually two things about this scene reminded me of Austin Powers.
1 being that the guards, like, the wizard guards, came in in uniforms that were very similar to the uniforms of, like, the henchmen from Austin Powers, just the random henchmen guys that are running around the silo at Austin Powers. I I thought it was kinda weird in general that these wizards would have hats and button down shirts. Like, you know, a security guard is basically what they were dressed up as, and it that seemed kind of odd to me. And the other part was that, the one goblin, like, we were talking about who’s, you know, just doing his job. He’s working at 9 to 5.
He’s, you know, he’s hoping he could put enough aside to to to retire at 67 or whatever the case. I don’t know it is for goblins. And then he just gets got. And there was this is why I miss DVDs. I love streaming stuff, obviously, because it’s great, and you could just spend hours streaming.
But when you used to buy a DVD, it would have bonus features on it. And one of the bonus features for the Austin Powers, DVD was a skit that they did. And do you remember in Austin Powers when he uses the steamroller and runs over the guy? He’s like, stop. Stop.
And he’s like, get out of the way. Get out of the way. So he runs over that guy, and the the skit is the guy’s family, like, the next day or something like that. And his son’s like, mom, when’s when’s daddy coming home? And mom’s just like, daddy’s not gonna come home tomorrow, son.
But they go through this whole it’s funny. It’s not sad, which is what it kind of seems like it should be. But, you know, you think because no one ever thinks about in James Bond movies or whatnot the lives of these henchmen. It’s almost like a Rick and Rick and Morty type thing. So I was thinking about what that goblin, is leaving behind.
I did like how in the movie, we we see Griphook get got. You know? We we see him lying dead on the ground, and the sword of Gryffindor disappears as it should to to be passed back to the next, Gryffindor that’s brave enough to take it or whatever the case be. But, yeah, that’s a good one. My next stock up was a Hogwarts drinking water, and this is a quick one.
But I assume outside of the pumpkin juice and the fire whiskey what else they drink in there? Butterbeer. Outside of that You’re a water snob? Feel like you are, aren’t you? Well, I was drinking tap water down here until I got a like, we were buying bottled water for some inane reason, and I was fine with it.
Whatever. I don’t I don’t really care. But then I was like, why am I not gonna drink the tap water? I get all these reports that says the tap water’s fine. I’m drinking the tap water.
And I’ve been doing that for, like, 6 months, and then I get a report, like, your tap water may have lead in it. I was like, goddamn it. So, no, I’m not good. Right? You want to get some iron in your blood.
Right? That’s fine. It’s not iron. It’s not iron. Yeah.
Same difference. No. I’m not a water. What would a water snot be like? Oh, I only drink Perrier kind of thing?
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you only like, oh, that I can’t drink. The big one is, Dasani. Dasani is, like, disgusting.
It’s the most, like, vile thing ever. I’ll never drink that. Well, I think any sort of triple osmosis water that you’re buying Woah. Is just some of the stupidest thing we can do as a like, that’s how I know that as a human race, we’re pretty stupid. It’s just the fact that most of this water is tap water that they’ve put through a triple charcoal filter or whatever the case is, bottled it, and sold it to you.
Mhmm. It’s it’s snake oil. You know? They’re selling the tap. Convenience.
You’re not buying the water, I I think, at least. The only reason I drink water bottled water is just like, oh, nice. I Sure. If if I’m at a gas station and there’s a bunch of waters there, I’m not grabbing a Dasani. I’m grabbing I’m spending an extra dollar on Fiji or something that’s Yeah.
A a spring water. You know? I agree. I I’m just not one of those people that won’t drink water. I don’t drink anything that’s cold.
I don’t really care. No. Yeah. Of course. Are you kidding me?
I drink out of I drink out of colds I drink out of holes in the top of the top of the top is what I’m saying. Yeah. Okay. We’re around the same thing. You get that extra latex feeling in the summer, that that hot rubber taste.
It’s wonderful. Jesus. Yeah. So the hogwash drinking water, back to my point, which was a quick one. Yeah.
You know, they the water tap waters and whatnot, they put fluoride and stuff in it to Mhmm. Keep your teeth a bunch of counties do that, whatever. The Hogwarts drinking water, they gotta be throwing extra testosterone in there because Harry looks 25 or 30 in this movie. It’s they’re trying so hard to make him look like a 17 year old, but his 5 o’clock shadow is showing up at noontime. It’s it’s hard to believe that this odd looking man is is 17 or whatever the case is because he could grow.
It’s like I’m looking at him and was like, he could grow a fuller beard than I can grow now at at 37 years old. So, I didn’t I didn’t love the the Harry look in this one. I think in general, it wasn’t his best look out of all the movies. Well, when they show his older Harry, he’s, like, 35, and they looks like he’s 65. They’re like, he’s he’s pretty much dead.
He’s gonna die pretty soon. Where and then they take Hermione, and they’re like, we’ll put one wrinkle on your forehead. You look exactly what they’re saying. Also, look 18. Yeah.
And then whatever they did to Ginny, they’re like, we’re given putting £2 of hairspray in her hair and making her wear this thing out there. So with Ron. Ron, they’re like, we’ll keep everything the same, add £20. Add £20. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Put a beer belly on him. They put a very tasteful yeah. Very tasteful beer belly on Ron.
I I I appreciated it. Yeah. Yeah. I I was a big fan of the look of the epilogue, but they had to do it with Harry because they could have left just said, hey, Daniel. Just grow your stubble out for a couple of days, and you’ll be fine.
But because it was so close to what he looked like during the rest of the movie, they they couldn’t they couldn’t do that. And it almost felt like the makeup they were giving him was, like, trying to hide his stubble, but it just made him look more like plasticine or something. Yeah. So, yeah, didn’t love it. Hogwarts drinking water stock up if you’re trying to get, jacked out of your mind.
Did you have any other startups? Last one. This one might be a little bit more controversial, Seth. That’s okay, though. Tim Tebow’s Super Bowl ad stock up.
Were there? Tim Tebow’s Super Bowl ads? You might not remember this, but 2010, Tim Tebow did a pro life Super Bowl ad back in the day. No. It was super controversial.
Do you not remember this? Oh my god. No. What? Look it up.
It’s I I was like very very I might have to. But in the commercial, this might ring a bell. His, like, mom’s talking about, like, I don’t know, pro life. I don’t give a shit. He she tackles her.
You know, things it might have been like a pro violence against women, commercial, to be honest with you. I don’t know. Anyways, a huge controversy, but it doesn’t look as bad as the the pro life, version of of this movie. What what happened there? What was going on?
I forgot to ask you about this in the book, but I didn’t know I’ve seen this meme of the little, like, fetus thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. In the movie, I’m seeing that meme. Moldy, voldy, as I like to call it.
I didn’t know that was I didn’t know that was from this movie. I thought that was just a completely different thing. I didn’t know I didn’t know that. What is that? What is the symbolism?
Can you explain what’s going on there? I was, like, shocked when I came on screen. I was like, wait. What is going is what’s going on? So I thought it was a Tim Tebow commercial.
Well, they did talk about in the book, Harry saw it. He said, oh my god. What is that? The way it was explained in the book or described was actually very similar to to what it looked like in the movie. I thought it was pretty good because he’s just, like, a rat looking Voldemort, basically.
This, like, little rat looking cowering Voldemort, which is accurate. They gave it a lot more fetus slash, like, alien vibes going on. So, yeah, I, I wanted to talk about Multivoldy at some point, because I think it’s a really good job by the by the the graphic people or whatever, the the special effects people or whatever the case is, even though it’s obviously a puppet. But, yeah, it’s definitely fetus y. That’s for sure.
What’s the symbolism? I like, his Oh, I think it’s his soul. Right? So it’s like his a piece of the piece of Voldemort’s soul that’s within Harry. Okay.
Why would he be there in his dream or his thing and why I don’t know. I just didn’t I don’t know. I don’t understand it. I honestly have a lot of questions just around the whole thing in general. It’s one of those things when you’re reading the book, you’re just like, yes, yes, yes.
Okay, okay, okay. And then when you close the book, you’re trying to logically go through it. It’s almost like watching a Christopher Nolan movie or something. Yeah. Yeah.
You know? And then you try to piece it back, and you’re just like, I don’t know if that actually makes any sense. So, yeah, I I think my understanding is that moldy voldy is Voldemort’s yep. The piece of Voldemort’s soul that’s in Harry that is now dying Okay. Slash dead because of the curse that because of the curse that Voldemort did.
No. Anyways. I can’t believe someone would spend, like, $10,000,000 on a on a pro life thing. Who’s who’s watching that and saying, you know what? After these chips and nachos and 12 beers, I’m gonna become abstinent.
It was a big deal. To spend $10,000,000 on anything, honestly, really is, doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, but what are you gonna do? Maybe the Batmobile. Stock up for me. Reaping what you sow.
It’s a phrase. I think it involves something around the farming industry, but I I think we all understand the point. Right? Mhmm. So for 6 movies, the directors, screenwriters, producers, whoever, they’ve decided to trim down the presence of the presence of or really totally omitting some ancillary characters in favor of the big three.
We had issues with that from time to time, but at the same instance, you have to understand it. The problem is that now that we’re at the end of the story, these supporting characters take on an important role in tying up the series with a bow. But as moviegoers, we haven’t seen enough of them in the movies themselves to care. I think it’s something that we can often brush over because a lot of the people that watch the Harry Potter movies that we know are we’re just associating with ourselves, but we’ve read the books. So we know what’s going on and and everything like that.
But there’s gotta be a huge slew. I mean, I have I know a bunch of people who have never read the books and only seen the movies, And what what comes to mind first is as Snape and Dobby, really. Snape has this huge story arc that happens within this movie, but it’s based on so much that has happened between him and Harry in previous books, and and I don’t wanna get into the whole, you know, is Snape a bad guy thing again because we know your feeling on on that. But just the idea that Snape kinda comes in here at the end, and he has this part, but we don’t really know a lot about him from the movies themselves. He had a little bit in Half Blood Prince, but even then, not enough.
And before that, there were some movies where he was really just missing. They just took his lines and gave them to someone else, or he wasn’t there. So having Snape, you know, be this kind of savior and this and this light and someone that Harry names his child after as just a moviegoer, it’s kind of like, wait. What? Okay.
I I guess so, but it doesn’t have the same payoff. And then Dobby I talk about Cotton Onions listening to Dobby die in the audiobook. Dobby’s not even in the movies. They took all of his parts and gave them to other people. Throughout the series, he has been helping pot Harry in, like, different ways and always been around for Harry and showing his love for Harry.
And I know that he has, like, a quick moment here, and he had a moment in, like, book 2. But outside of that, it’s it’s like we don’t really even know no Dobby. It feels like the Fred and Lupin deaths, which we don’t even see on camera, those ones hit hardest because we actually know those characters from the movies. You know, we had an entire movie with Lupin and more on top of that. And Fred, we’ve, you know, interacted with either him or George.
We don’t know which one, but we’ve interacted with them throughout this whole series. So, you know, I think that’s why the filmmakers decided to add the Snape stuff that wasn’t in the book with, like him giving, you know, shushing Harry in the astronomy tower, and then also in this one when like Griphook tells Harry that Snape knowingly put a fake sword in, Bellatrix’s Mhmm. Vault just to bring his name up and show kind of these bread crumbs that that we know that Snape’s a a a good guy. But but, yeah, I just thought a a lot of the the characters that kind of should have had more screen time throughout our earlier ones didn’t get it, and it because of that, it didn’t really pay off. And I feel like it’s harder for us book fans to realize it because we’ve read them both, and they kind of all meld into this one Harry Potter universe.
But, yeah, I just didn’t love it. Yeah. I completely agree. I mean, we talk about it for other movies. I feel like side characters would be featured for 1 movie and then never be seen again.
And, you know, you kinda just didn’t they kind of fade in the distance. Realistically, what they should have done was just remove some characters or made the characters combined. Bringing back Bill, we’ve never seen Bill. I was about to say that. That could’ve just been Fred and George.
It would’ve been better. At the beginning of whatever, maybe it’s the first part part 1 or part 2, I forget. Bill walks in the door and goes, hi. I’m Bill. And then I go, I like, wait.
What? Bill? Harry knows Bill? Harry knows Bill. Harry’s Yeah.
Bill for years. Wait. He knew him from the Triwizard Tournament. Oh, he wasn’t in that. He wasn’t in that.
And now on top of that, he goes, hi. I’m Bill. Also, I’m a werewolf. It’s, like, wait. What?
Because in the astronomy tower, he got werewolfed by Greyback, but they left that out of the movie. So he just walks in. He’s like, I’m Bill. I got bit by a werewolf. I’m gonna marry Fleur, who you know and you should know how I know, but, like, it just it made no sense.
The best is Lupin and Tonks walk in on the the very beginning when they all meet back up at, the Weasley’s house. Yeah. And they’re like, should we tell them? And he says, no. No.
We’ll wait. And then we never hear from them again, and they die. So you don’t know they’re married. You don’t know they’re having a kid. You don’t know any of that stuff.
Oh, I thought he I thought he said we’re having a baby. Oh, okay. Say that? I don’t remember, but it just seems like they just, like, were, like, I thought that was been funny. Just we’ll never hear them again.
Yeah. I I think they might have said we’re having a baby. So then it’s like, okay. So so someone murdered Tonks and and a child? Like, oh, no.
Teddy’s alive. He’s just not not there. You know? Yeah. Yeah.
I wonder if Teddy was in the train with them in the epilogue. Oh, yeah. Probably. Isn’t he, like, at school or something? I don’t know.
Either way. Yeah. So some of that stuff. The the Bill one kinda laughed because there’s so many different pieces to that, where he’s a werewolf. He’s Bill, they’ve met several times, he works at Great Guts.
His face is fairly scratched. I wouldn’t even notice that unless he called it out. Yeah. And then Lupin has a scratch on his face too, which I was like, wait, I thought you either you lose the scratch as you heal or damn. I don’t know.
Alright. I had one last quick one. The Death Eater recruiting office, you know, like the military recruiting offices, I feel like those used to be a thing. I’m not sure if they are anymore. I’m sure they are.
I’m sure they are. But the Death Eater recruiting office, we kinda talked about in previous episodes how I wasn’t sure how many Death Eaters there were, and it seemed like there couldn’t have been that many. You know? I thought there was maybe a couple dozen. You thought there was potentially more, but I can assure you there was not 10,000 Death Eaters.
And that’s how many there are in the scene at the Battle of Hogwarts when they’re running down the mountain towards the castle. It honestly, to me, it looked like, you know, the Uruk hai at at the Battle of Helm’s Deep with the amount of Death Eaters that were coming at them. Oh, yeah. Yep. Good comparison.
I have no idea how all these Death Eaters came out of the woodwork and and are storming Hogwarts. It definitely there wasn’t this many in the book. Yes. I understand there was Deventors and giants and, you know, giant spiders, all all that stuff, which we saw, and I appreciate. But the human element, I know they’re trying to make it epic or something, but come on.
There’s just not that many Death Eaters. No. Yeah. I agree. I think it’s I think I said it was 20 to 1 Death Eaters to Order of the Phoenix, but I think there was only, like, 20 Order of the Phoenix members.
So that’d be 400 total. Right? Yeah. So Yeah. My math’s correct.
I don’t know. Maybe they’re just, like, they opened up their social media, and they’re just recruiting across other countries and stuff. They’re just I mean, we need to know what they’re doing because we’re we’re not growing at this rate. They grew they grew pretty quickly. We gotta figure out what they did because whatever the recruiting whoever the recruiting officer was TikTok early.
That’s what it was. Think we’re just missing out. Maybe there’s some sort of dark magic GI bill that you can get into to get into GI dark magic college or something. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
That’s that makes sense. Alright. Let’s move on to stock down. What do you have for stock down? Stock down camping.
I’ve never understood camping. I’m not a big camper. I mean, the thing is everything about the best things about camping are just things that you don’t need to suffer to do. For me, like, hey. Like, what’s great about camping is you can go outside and create a fire and send and make Yeah.
Some more. You can just build a fire pit in your backyard and do that. They’re like, yeah. You can be by water. It’s like, I live by the water.
You know, it’s like all this stuff. Nature. You can be in nature. You can go on a hike. Yeah.
But you can have a sleepover with nature. I guess. That’s neither here nor there. But So you didn’t do much camping as a kid is what I I did a couple times. Like, with your family, brothers, sister.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you’re in tents and stuff like that. Yeah.
It just Tents and sleeping bags? I I was a guy that liked that liked sports and I liked playing computer games. So that it’s just like none of those things really camping didn’t add into any of those things. No. So it didn’t take a lot.
Land party is tough out there. Exactly. So So I just did, like, understand. I’m very literal person. I just didn’t under I’m like, but we can just do all these things easier.
It’s like when people use chopsticks and it just frustrates me because I’m like, but they created a tool that’s better. Like, why would we just not use the they’re like, woah, this area is supposed to eat it. I’m like, but but why? They’re like, yeah. Well, that’s what they do.
You know, like cavemen used to eat with their hands. Is that how I should eat everything now? Well, a lot of cultures do eat with their hands. So, yeah, if you’re gonna be there, you should be like they’re they’d probably say the same thing to you. You’d say, where’s the fork?
When they say, god gave us the fork used to eat spaghetti with their hands, so that’s why I’m eating spaghetti now with hands, you know? Like, that doesn’t make any sense. I’m not sure the Romans ate spaghetti. They’re from Italy, kid. Stick with me one time.
Jesus Christ. I guess Rome was a big place. So Anyways, what was I saying? Oh, but then this it doesn’t really make any sense why they need to suffer camping. You can go anywhere you want.
Go to go on a beach. Go to, like, a a deserted island. Do the exact same thing you’re doing right now. But instead of a Mai Tai by the by the beach sitting getting the creative juices flowing, start thinking about where those hog rugs could be Mhmm. Rather than suffering in, like, Antarctica and North Scotland where it’s, like, 30 degrees, and they’re, like, and there’s people that are running into people.
Oh, like Yeah. Where are you? You can go literally anywhere in the whole world. Just go to somewhere that’s, 1, enjoyable, and 2, you’ll never run into any other people. Like, it’s just it does seems pretty obvious.
You know, the UK is a pretty relatively small place compared to the rest of the world. Right? So just go anywhere else. I don’t know. It’s funny you say this because I was wondering as I was watching it and reading the book kind of, what the rules are with apparating because do you just have to know the place?
Like, you couldn’t obviously have been there. Right? Are you in apparating a place you haven’t been to? It’d be close enough. So there is a proximity.
Because, remember Voldemort is, like, traveling back really quickly from getting the wand and went to go find out the Elder Wand. They call him back because they have Harry and, Ron and Hermione, like, held hostage before they escape. And eventually, he gets there, but it takes him he he can’t go out and do it instantly. So there is some He’s, like, skipping spots, like, kind of going a 100 miles at a time Yeah. Or whatever the case is.
Okay. I mean, airplanes exist. So, I mean Yeah. We we can go anywhere we want. Even then, you can so but I guess in that sense, they’re limited to the United Kingdom.
Right? But you could still, yeah, you could still just go anywhere. Like, it doesn’t You can get on a broom. Their brooms are are airplanes. It’s the same thing.
Well, they actually pulled up at one part in the movie. They pulled up to this, like, giant rock place with all these holes in the ground. I was like, that’s a terrible place to camp. Who thought about camping there? 1, it’s just gonna be uncomfortable.
2, you could roll an ankle. You step in one of those holes, you roll an ankle, and and you could be screwed. But, yeah, just in terms of general camping, I did some camping on the north rim of the Grand Canyon. That was pretty fucking epic, so I also did a lot of camping as a kid where I camped in the woods of New Hampshire and pooped in a hole and slept in a tent with my dad and my sister and got eaten by mosquitoes to the point that I think I had 12 mosquito bites on my testicles. I remember counting.
So, yeah, yeah, there are bad times, but, I remember it now as being a great time. Yeah. That’s what I think it it is. But, I mean, also the stock time just because the camping scenes in this movie were just it was just too much of the first movie, specifically. Yeah.
There’s too much. Yeah. It they should’ve taken like, cut that in half and then put it into the the heights of the ministry and the last scene where they’re at, the Malfoys. Like, seems like that would’ve been pretty obvious, but Yeah. Well, I’m gonna expand on that with my stock down, but I will say last thought on camping in general.
If you go camping, just get an air mattress. It makes it way better. It’s just a better experience on the ground. You have to be with nature and be on the ground. See, like, that’s the whole and take it one step further.
Why don’t you just get a bed? Why don’t you just get a bed? Why don’t you just get a bed? I’m actually, like honestly, I might I would love to, in this lifetime, get a camper and drive around to cool campgrounds and, you know, sleep on a bed in a comfortable place, but be in a cool spot. That’s like using a fork.
That is doing it right. That’s doing it how you wanna do it. Yep. Exactly. I wanna do it is be in my own house and my own bed.
Yeah. I don’t have to be John I don’t have to be John Muir. I can just be Winnebago again. I don’t know who John Muir is. Just fucking read a book one time.
Alright. Oh, your point about how they use their time, my first talk down, is talk down to movies that favor epic battle scenes because we got none of that here. We got literally none of that. Like you said, the first one, there’s so much camping. You know what there was enough?
The Malfoy Manor thing, like you said, could have been drawn out. More importantly, I felt the way we jumped this movie off with the Harry broom scene, all the Harry’s flying in the brooms, why are we making that a bigger scene? That scene was, like, 2 minutes long. We saw Harry there, Hedwig dies, and Harry’s wand splits. In the book, there’s so much content there between all these different fights that are happening in the sky.
It feels like that’s something that moviemakers would want to show on on the big screen. It’s it’s what they’ve tried to show in other films here with them flying under the, you know, on the Thames, flying under bridges, around Big Ben, all that stuff. You do that, but it’s an epic aerial battle around it’s the battle for Britain, but it’s Harry Potter. Yeah. I just don’t know why they didn’t make that that scene that scene longer.
It just felt like there was also the Battle of Hogwarts, there was no battle. It was the 10,000 Death Eaters running to the school, and then most of the time, you know, we pretty much only get a giant trying to decapitate Harry, Ron, and Hermione, and we get the Bellatrix Molly Weasley duel, which is, like, super quick anyways. And that’s about it. We don’t get a lot of just fighting. This was a great opportunity, I felt like, to see Lupin and Tonks fight to their death.
We talked about that, how that was missing from the books was these these fights. And we know these characters. We wanna see what happened to them. This was a great opportunity to see some actual wizarding duels within Hogwarts. But instead, it’s this other stuff throughout the movie, and then they’re focusing on this Nagini thing, which it’s like, alright.
We don’t need all this. Let’s see some wizards doing wizard stuff in Hogwarts like what actually happened. Yeah. Because, otherwise, it’s just we’re focused on our main characters, and then they come back and they’re like, oh, some people died. It’s like, wait.
What? You know, show me I I know Percy is not really a character in the movie, so this would be hard. But show me Percy coming back and fighting after he sees Fred’s dead body and taking down Death Eaters. You know? I I just wanted I wanted more.
It felt like this final movie deserved more in terms of longer action sequences. Yeah. What what it is is is they just focus so much on Harry Potter. They thought the book the book is called Harry Potter, but really the reason we love it is because all the characters, the world building, like, every single person you feel like you know by the end of the book. Yeah.
It’s like, Dave Matthews Band. I always could bring that up. Dave Matthews is incredible. He’s the lead lead person of that. Right?
I’m not a huge Dave Madison, but Okay. His band is incredible. The band is, like, amazing. They have an incredible, like, saxophone. They have drummer.
They all do solos. So, like, they’re everyone gets gets highlighted even though it’s called Dave Matthews Band. They took the wrong things, I think, or they focused on the wrong stuff. And I think the TV show is going to do, especially since they’re gonna have a lot more length, they’re gonna do a much better job of establishing these characters where you’re you’re bought in and wanting to like know what happens to Neville and what happens to Luna Lovegood and, like, all these different characters that they come on screen for a little bit in this one and and you never see them again. Oh, so the TV show is following the same characters?
It’s like the same I think it’s exactly the same. I think it’s the exact I mean, I haven’t heard anything differently, but they’re casting all the same characters. So it’s not So it’s like the Harry Potter series. Like It’s Harry Potter TV show. What?
Yeah. I mean, they’ve done that with Spider Man. They’ve done it, and they’re not doing, like, anything that we haven’t seen or Batman and all the other things. I guess they did iterations of that. The superheroes are a bit different because there’s so much potential canon to to write about.
You know, there’s so many different story lines that you could that you could do, where this is just one very direct novel. So Yeah. Well, I my assumption is that they’re gonna be, like, alright. In the movie, they did this. Let’s now expand and actually show more and then maybe add a little additional context and maybe have the camera nod on Harry every single scene.
It’s gonna be on other people now Yeah. Which I’m hoping. But Yeah. Interesting that you chose Dave Matthews. I was thinking maybe How do I pull that from?
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band or E Street Band is pretty good too. Right? Yeah. The E Street Band is great. What?
You got I just don’t I don’t like it. I I’ve always said I don’t like that Dave Matthews band does that. Because I’m like, he is such a good band. It’s kind of a dickhead mood to be like that. Oh, yeah.
And the whole the whole band. George Clinton and the parliament phone company. Tom Brady and the Patriots. You know. That’s Well, it was.
It was. Oh, it kinda was. Well, Belichick helped. But but I mean, the whole team won. You know what I’m saying.
Anyways I don’t have any other stock downs. So My my last one and, it was, stock down being an athlete. This is my first stock I think I purchased. And I’m gonna finish it out, close it out, go full circle, make the last one I purchased or sell rather. The ending, well, I’ve already talked about it.
But after Wilmer dies, after the gladiator wind blowing what’s it called, Elysium? Elysium. Yeah. They’re easy and spaghetti with its hands like you’re talking about rent in Rome. Anyways, Harry and Ron and Hermione walk away from the castle.
And again, this is just I I appreciate that they kept it consistent. This is the final scene. The scene this is what happens. Harry walks out. He’s like, I’m gonna get rid of this wand because no one deserves to have it.
He can’t break the wand in half. I don’t know what that was. It’s a piece of it’s a little twig. He’s like, yeah. What what the I’m like, lift the weight one time for me, bud.
Put the wand down. Do a couple curls one time for me. Maybe a couple of trap workouts. I don’t know what he needs. But he couldn’t break the stick.
Like, they needed a reek. Let’s cut that again. And then the final scene is them walking away with Hogwarts in the background. What are they looking at? Ali, I actually wrote this up.
What are they looking at? The scene should be backdrop of them looking at Hogwarts. It’s like smoking. All their friends are down and their family down there. Them appreciating Hogwarts.
That’s the that’s the movie is. It’s not them looking into the forest. I don’t know where they’re looking. Yeah. Looking on to the Forbidden Forest.
Like Like, watch it again. It’s so dumb. It doesn’t make any sense what they’re doing. It’s obviously a book diversion here because Harry just buries the elder wand with Dumbledore, which we’ve talked about how that’s kinda dumb too. But it also feels like the elder wand has been around for 100 of years.
If if it was easy to break, someone would have just, like, sat on it and be like, oh, there goes the elder wand. Like, I broke it. So I’d understand why it would be harder for Harry to snap, but at the same time, it feels like it’s something that shouldn’t snap. And if that is something that you can snap, and I know you can snap wands, it just feels like there should be a little more like, they’re making who’s ever making the wands, I’m not gonna blame Ollivander because I don’t think he’s the manufacturer, but who’s ever making these wands is making them like iPhones or something. Like, they’re supposed to be broken, so then you’re forced to buy a new one.
Because if you think about it, the wand industry, not a very profitable industry. You’re selling someone one wand that they’re probably gonna have for their entire life, so in order to maximize your profits, you wanna make those wands easy to break so that people have to keep coming back for more. But at the same time, it seems like that shouldn’t be the case because the wand chooses the wizard, and, like, that wand is yours, and then breaking it seems like breaking a part of your soul. So yeah. But it just seems like the elder one shouldn’t shouldn’t be able to be broken.
Well, yeah. I I also think the they were standing over the waterfall there or waterfront or whatever that was, the on the bridge, and the cliche is for him to throw it in there. And they’re like, no. Let’s play break cliches, and let’s have him break it. But then I’m like, oh, I see why they always have him throw it because watching a person try to break something, especially when they’re weaklings, it does not look good.
So they he should have thrown it into the water. I mean, we’ve also learned from lots of sports movies in the past that watching someone throw something can really change how you view a character. Like, if if he can’t throw a wand or he can’t throw something, I I immediately don’t even believe that’s Harry Potter. Like, Harry Potter is an athlete. He’s the best seeker in a 100 years.
He has pure athleticism. I’m sure if you gave him a ball, he’d know how to throw it. So if instead he’s kinda doing this, like, you know, shot put toss, I’d be concerned. Did you have a favorite scene in this one? Of these 2, I guess.
You, kind of were just mentioning that you didn’t like it. I actually thought that the battle scene, the first one, the second one was terrible, when it’s basically a mix of Lord of the Rings and Independence Day when they fire the rockets at the the alien ship. I like that. And like when we zoom out and you were seeing the the the charging of the The Uruk hai? The yeah.
Like the the giants are charging all the different, death eater charging. And then we have like the the guards or Hogwarts standing, like standing out there. I was like, this is sick. And then to your point, I was like, now we zoom in on the battle and we see Yeah. These 1 on 1 matchups.
So like that we’ve been waiting for all. I also think that, again, we could have like matched up people that we wanted to see. Like, I think Neville should have been actually the one to kill Bellatrix. Like, that’s But that’s not in the book. I did get that, but, like, I wouldn’t find if you change that and then have I don’t know.
Just match people up a little bit more. Yeah. I think it would’ve been fine if you change that. Also, like, the Malfoy’s getting away scot free, I wanted my boy, Ron’s dad to fucking go up against Lucius and just and and get that. Like, you know, that’s another bad one to say.
Yeah. Boy him, like, actually, like, put him in a choke hold and rip his head off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I I was hoping for the Malfoy’s that it was kind of a Jurassic Park type thing where they think they’re getting away scot free, but there’s actually a dementor that’s just, like, sitting there in the brush, like that that winged neck dinosaur, and instead just, like, jumps on them and sucks all their souls out. Yeah. Yeah. Because, like, they’re obviously getting caught. Like, the you know, at least Lucius is is going to Azkaban.
I mean, they’re probably all going to Azkaban. Malfoy is probably gonna get off early because Harry’s gonna go in and testify on his behalf, you know, a little character witness situation. But, yeah, that’s what I’m saying is is they had that big scene, like, okay. This is cool when they say all the, you know, stand up for Hogwarts and all the, gargoyles or whatever come to life. It’s like, this is gonna be awesome.
And then we flash back to Harry running around her. Yeah. I I mean, not not one like, couple of clips were were awesome. But, yeah, I wish they could did a little bit more. Yeah.
Dig in deeper. Go deeper. My favorite scene was the the way they told the the the Peverell brothers story. I thought the animation for that was phenomenal. I love when they work animation into live action movies.
I just I feel like they usually do it pretty well. And this, I thought, was was super was super good. Whoever they chose to do the animation, big fan. The story was told wonderfully. Love the voice over.
I loved every bit of it. It got me into the fairy tale aspect of it. And I think that, like, whatever Disney studio or whatever or universal I don’t know. Whichever one owns the Harry Potter, Warner Brothers. Right?
Whatever. Whoever owns it at the park, the Harry Potter park, they have, like, these characters, like death and whatever, in puppet form, like the big human puppets, like how people dress up as dinosaurs and stuff. And it seems pretty cool. Like, people can go and watch watch that play or whatever the case is. So, yeah, I just I thought that animation was awesome and really brought that story to life.
Because otherwise, it’s just them sitting there telling a story. I’m just so you saw the 6 pre prior movies where they’re, like, cutting everything they can and I was, like, they actually just told the whole story which was, like, actually refreshing. They didn’t really, which also too with the the breaking the the movies up into 2 was definitely great. It did did feel like you’re seeing a full fledged movie, obviously. You needed it.
You really needed it. I mean, it would be in my love and, you know, I guess, we will just burn that, but it’s okay to do this stuff, cutting all this stuff with the other books because whatever. But we have to end this series. We have to end these 8 movies that we’re gonna watch. I know it’s probably partially a money grab, but at the same time, it needed time to breathe.
And I appreciate that they did that. I know we didn’t like all the hopping around and camping, but we spent time there. We spent time with them, and we needed that time. So I’m really glad they they broke it up into 2 movies. Mhmm.
For sure. It would’ve been like Lawrence of Arabia. It would’ve been like 3 hours and 48 minutes if if you didn’t. You know? I I don’t know how how you how you could tell this story with all the beats you needed to hit without it.
Do you have a favorite character in this film or these films? In in this one, I and I I think it’s more just because I needed to know more backstory, especially since I don’t think the book really comes either, but Lucius Malfoy? I don’t know what movie he was in, but he was unbelievable actor. He was like I thought he just went through the most horrific torturing of all time. Like, his eyes are all droopy, especially because you know the character that he is and, like, the blonde perfectly flowing hair and the arrogance and the cockiness and the just the swagger he has.
And then to this, like, that’s the biggest change I’ve ever seen in a character. It’s it’s incredible. I don’t know what happened to him. I need more on him, but he’s been broken. He’s a broken person.
Yeah. Whoever did the the makeup and whatnot for him was perfectly done. It’s like, what’s the in Game of Thrones when the guy gets his, the guy gets, like, tortured and cut off? What’s it? Theon Greyjoy?
Yeah. Theon Greyjoyed. You got that’s what happened to him. We don’t know how. Yeah.
Yeah. Jason Isaacs who who plays him, obviously good in the Patriot. And I’m gonna now go on my Patriot the Patriot rant because Keith cut it from a previous episode. No. I won’t do that to you, Keith.
But, yeah, he he’s a he’s a phenomenal actor. I love that he got some time in this one because the downfall of Lucius Malfoy and talking about reaping what you sow, this was, you know, what Lucius Malfoy he’s reaping what he sowed right here in terms of he wanted Voldemort to come back. Okay. Here you go. You happy now?
Best supporting actor for sure. Mhmm. Should’ve got a nod. I think my character, it has to be Neville. He didn’t get enough, in my opinion.
I think the one thing they were missing was Harry running into Neville as he’s going to the forest and telling Neville about the snake as opposed to Ron and Hermione. He tells Neville that Neville’s gotta kill the snake, and, you know, obviously, we see Neville do that. I it’s unfortunate how they changed that at the end, but Neville still got the snake, and they give Neville a cub couple other action pieces, including, like, blowing up the bridge with Seamus and whatnot, which I enjoyed. And it just shows how far Neville’s come. You know, it just shows how far Neville’s come from him being brave enough to stand up to them in in the Sorcerer’s Stone, but also being a total coward, Trevor, to now and him being a a total badass and a babe, I may say.
Yeah. I was gonna say, way to commit to the character. That that’s going full becoming tall all of a sudden and good looking. That’s really how you commit to a character. I appreciate that.
They’re like, okay, Neville. You go through this big emotional change throughout this series. He’s like, can I go through a physical change too? They’re like, well, we can’t make that happen. He’s like, I got it.
He’s like, oh, I’ve been stunting my girl. I’ve been smoking cigarettes, drinking coffee every day, and just to get into character. You want me to stop cut back on that? Yeah. Alright.
We’re good. He’s like, I’ll go cold turkey, and I’ll just become hot, Neville. Yeah. It’ll be it’ll be fine. Let’s get in some love hate though because I wanna get here.
Keep it here for love. Love, the the headwave change, real real big fan of that. We talked about in the book. Hedwig is in the book. He’s in the cage.
I didn’t like that. I was like, he should die in his sword and that’s what he does. He and this one also the reason which like the whole Belliaramos being Harry’s signature spell. I won’t let you say that. Yeah.
What is it? Expelliarmus? I don’t remember. What was I saying? Oh, well yeah.
So he goes out in his sword. He dies flying and protecting Harry. And the reason that they know it’s the real Harry is because they’re only Hedwig would come protect the real Harry. So Is Hedwig a boy bird or a girl bird? She yeah.
Yeah. What did I say? Okay. Yeah. He said he.
I was that’s fine. Who knows? How would you know? It seems like you have to be a whatever bird what’s a bird person? Ornithologist?
I don’t know. Love. My love’s Aberforth. He gives Harry the lie to me, don’t lie to yourself line, which is awesome. I love it’s one of my favorite lines.
I use use it all the time. It’s it it works every time. I just can’t believe that it was it was in a movie, honestly. I use the option of that, but alright. I say, hey.
By yourself. Don’t lie to me. That is it doesn’t make any sense. Yeah. It makes perfect sense.
Be honest with me. You can lie to yourself. Like, you could lie to yourself, but don’t don’t be honest with me. That’s that makes more sense. What are you talking about?
If you were, like, wearing trendy jeans don’t. You really think those jeans are good? You do be, like, no. They’re awful. But then to yourself, you’re, like, these are the best.
That’s it makes more sense. No. It’s the other way. No. That’s the only reason you’re wearing them.
Because you think they’re good, but you know when you’re when you’re because you’re lying to yourself. But when you know when you tell me, you’re telling the truth. Okay. Good point, Keith. Good point.
Whatever. What else, Jeffrey love? I thought there was a lot of hat tips. So we we talked about how they didn’t really establish all the characters Uh-huh. In the books.
I thought there was a lot of hat tips that went on this one where, like, they were just, like, quickly reference something that we only book readers would know, which I thought was, like, kind of a special, like, for you. Give an example. No. I don’t know. There no.
There was just a ton of, Like like, names mentioned or stuff like that? Yeah. Like, there’s references to names. There was things that you would only know if you had read the book. Like, the Tonks and Lupin stuff, like I mentioned.
Mhmm. A bunch of the side characters just had stuff added in that you wouldn’t know otherwise. Okay. I loved Snape deflects when they’re they’re, like, when Harry steps out of the crowd, which is so stupid and so cheesy. They’re like, who’s if anyone’s harboring Harry Potter, like Yeah.
You know, let us know, and then Harry just steps out of the crowd. Like, a bunch of people wouldn’t be like, Harry’s right here. Harry, what are you what are you doing here? You know? Like, there wouldn’t be a ruckus beforehand.
There’d be a bunch of silent people, and Harry just steps out. Anyhoo. McGonagall steps up to fight Snape, and she sends a curse at him. He deflects her spell to take down both Carrows. So the Carrows are behind him.
So he deflects her spell, but he’s actually using it to take down the Karos before he escapes. So it was awesome because, as someone that knew already that Snape’s a good guy, it’s like, oh, Snape, you’re not only a good guy, but you’re a phenomenal wizard. I appreciate you. And, yeah, I just thought it was a cool little thing that they threw in there, as opposed to Harry using a unforgettable curse unforgivable curse on them. What about hates then?
Oh, I thought that Snape payoff was gonna be better. And I think I’ve seen the always thing, like a clip of that. And I was like, oh, that does hit home hard. But when they’re showing all the flashbacks, he’s, like, talking without any emotion or anything like that. Uh-huh.
It felt like, Hans Gruber with the American accent pretending to be a guy that’s, you know, in pain. Yeah. That’s what it felt like. It didn’t feel like he really was. Like, when he’s crying and holding her dead body, that that hit.
Yeah. Outside of that. And the always thing hit, but all the other parts didn’t seem to ring true to me. I don’t know. On this reread and rewatch, I’m not sure the always hits with me.
It it’s so he he casts his Patronus, and it’s a doe, which is Lily’s. And so Dumbledore’s asking him, oh, you still love her? And he’s like, always. It’s like, well well, duh. Snape’s an incel.
He doesn’t go outside. You know? He’s not gonna find new love. Yeah. Yeah.
Why is this surprising to you that his Patronus is a doe? Of course, it is. That that’s why he’s here. What are we talking about? There’s probably could’ve been a better way to do it.
I don’t know how, but there definitely could’ve been a better way. Yeah. I agree. But I remember this being like, oh, goosebumps when I first read it, and now maybe I’m just, like, have gotten and my my my heart is is hard or something. But, yeah, it just it didn’t it doesn’t do it for me the same as it it used to.
My hate and this is really the the only big one for me considering they had 2 movies, was there’s no Dumbledore family history, really. It’s touched upon Bethel the Bagshot and then Harry chats with at at at Bill and Fleur’s wedding, which, by the way, Harry’s not in disguise. Harry’s undesirable number 1, him being at a wedding with a bunch of people that are just kind of people. It’s like Don’t worry about it. Wouldn’t be the that’s Harry Potter.
The ministry is looking for you. What? What are we what are we talking about here? But, yeah, he so the the whole point of the the book or, you know, a big part of the book is Harry feeling like Dumbledore didn’t come clean to him about or he didn’t know Dumbledore. Just like he didn’t know Dumbledore as a person like he thought he did.
He thought he and Dumbledore were close. Maybe they weren’t close at all. Is Dumbledore leading him down the right path? Is he second guessing himself because of it? And none of that’s really in the movies, which it felt like was a big, big, big part of the books.
We get a tiny bit about Dumbledore. I don’t think Grindelwald is really talked about. I don’t think anything about Dumbledore’s sister is discussed besides them pointing out the painting and saying, oh, that was your sister, not what happened, not that whole story. And it seemed like the Harry Dumbledore relationship was a big part of the book, and it’s just no part of this these movies, which is unfortunate to me. Yeah.
I think it was supposed to come across in the whole camping scene where he’s like, he didn’t tell me anything. Oh. No. He didn’t tell me anything. Yeah.
So I agree, though. It wasn’t it wasn’t explicit and, yeah, that that turmoil wasn’t necessarily there that you would think there should be. Yeah. It just and I get it. You know, he says, oh, you didn’t tell me anything, whatever.
This and the other thing. But that’s it. We want it to be continuously repeated and being, like, am I on the right path? Am I doing the right thing? Mhmm.
You know, I want him second guessing himself until he is his mind is set on going into the forest to die to Voldemort’s hands. You know? Yeah. No. I agree.
What else do you hate? The Dobby after he dies scene, I felt like in film school they’re like, show don’t tell. I don’t know what that means and now I know what it means after seeing this scene. He’s like, I’m gonna bury him without using my wand. And he, like, carried him away.
All you need to do in that scene is him crying over the body, stoically picks it up, doesn’t say one word, picks up a shovel and just starts digging and starts digging and digging. And everyone’s watching. They’re like, hey, did you, like, wanna use your wall? He’s like, no. I need to do this.
And then his hands are bleeding at the end and he’s placing the body, like, gentle. That’s a heart wrenching scene. Him being, like, I need to I need to bury this person, and I’m not using a wand to do it to show that I mean it. It’s, like, fuck it. I want to bury him, and I’m not going to use my wand.
It’s, like, okay. Cool. What do you want? Extra points? Yeah.
When he was, like, a 4th year, he’s, like, sitting there in his 4 poster bed before he’s going to sleep at night. He’s like, when Dobby dies, I’ll I’ll bury him without a wand. Like, I’m gonna do that. Alright. Respect.
Yeah. Dobby is gonna die before me, so I I don’t respect him. I like him. I’m gonna bury him like a muggle. Yeah.
Yeah. No. I agree. We need a silhouette with him using that shovel on some sand as the as the sun’s coming down or whatever the case is. I like the bloody hands thing, you know.
And then the the last cut is just him, like, the last shovel, and then you see the he lies a free elf. That hits. Then you’re you get you get chills thinking of that. Yeah. Now we’re talking.
Yeah. God, you should you should do this movie. I You should do they need help with the TV show? TV show. Yeah.
They need reburying. Of a TV writer, anyways. You know? So Yeah. I know I know you got some screenplays or, some what do they call them when you specs?
Some spec scripts? Have you ever have I asked you this before? Have you ever read the spec strip out there for the Seinfeld 911 episode? Yeah. I read a blog on it.
Buddybookclub.com. Oh, did you? Yeah. Oh, good. Good.
I love that. I love it. It’s so funny. Holy smokes. We’d go on ski trips.
This ski trip’s kinda like camping, but you you stay in a a house. We’d go on ski trips, and I’d always pull it up if there’s, like, 4 people in the car. And for the last, you know, the last hour, you’re, like, excited to get there. I would be, like, hey, everyone pull it up on your phones who’s not driving, obviously, and let’s do a read through of the script. Like, which character do you wanna be?
And and we we do that we do that a couple times. It was it was super fun. Also, a ski trip is like camping. It’s the most wild thing you’ve ever said. It’s the exact opposite of camping.
I it’s, like, what I would wanna do. I don’t even like skiing. I I would do that as ski trip. I was just trying to bring bring the conversation full circle. You’re arguing for my argument.
Because here you go, you do something very expensive, but you’re outside. You’re enjoying it. It’s like a sport. You’re struggling. And then you get done, and you hit the apres ski.
You get hot chocolate. You get by a fire. Inside, you get a hot tub going, you get drinking games going, you get board games going, you get I mean Yes. Yes. Does that sound a 100 times better than being, like, we just got done hiking.
I’m sweating right now, but now it’s 30 degrees. So I’m absolutely freezing. Oh, now great. I’m gonna go sit in this fucking tent on the ground. Well, I brought a blow up mattress.
Yeah. That’s that’s the worst thing ever. What are you talking about? You just made my argument for me. Oh, man.
Maybe you wanna go skiing. Do you have any lingering questions? No. But I did wanna say that way, I had an epiphany. We should change the lingering questions category to what does it all mean, Basil?
Oh. That’s that’s the name of it. Anyways I’ll fix that in post. So what does it all mean, Basil? Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. I have a few. Hermione’s family is not gonna think it’s weird that they have blank picture frames in their house because in the movie, she obliviates them. They stay at their house, and then she leaves.
In the books, she sends them to, like, Australia, so they don’t even know that they have a daughter. But now they’re just the next day walking around their house, and there’s all these picture frames that have like they’re empty. They’re basically what you would buy at Target. They’re just like a car in the background, and they’re just wondering why do we have all these picture frames, or there’s like the mom on one side, the dad on the other, and just this blank space in between them, and they’re not confused by that? Well, here’s the thing, d man.
When you don’t have kids like myself, you put pictures up of just landscapes. If you look around my room right now, there’s just paintings of landscapes, flowers. I got a tiger up on the wall. So it’s not weird just to have a back You just have a dorm room style? Well, first of all, missus McGonigal painted 3 of these.
So Oh, yeah. Yeah. Then there Send me a miss McGonigal painting. Let’s see anyone. Yeah.
Let me get a commission. Beach a beachside commission for my Cape Cod house would be wonderful. No. I I so I don’t think it’s weird at all. To answer your question.
Alright. Fine. I talked about Harry, no disguise for the wedding. That is weird. Draco Malfoy along with Neville, they took the hot pills in this one.
I think Draco has aged the best besides Neville. He kinda looks like hot Squidward now, if you know the, the Spongebob stuff. You probably have the Spongebob comforter on your on your bed, so you just look at it, and you and you’ll see hot Squidward on it. Who who is it that you said ages like that? Draco Malfoy.
Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
The escape from the rumor requirements was giving off big Aladdin vibes, like, when they escape from the tunnel where they get the lamp where the big tiger head is. You’ve seen Aladdin in the cartoon. Right? Mhmm. Yeah.
It was it was pretty much exactly that scene, so they kinda just stole it from there, but I’m okay with it. And Volti has Nagini kill Snape. So wouldn’t that make her the master of the Elder Wand based on his logic? Yeah. That’s a good one to find.
I don’t know. He’s like, you killed Dumbledore, so you’re now the master of the Elder Wand. Well, all you gotta do is the person. Right? So He didn’t do anything.
He just said, like, Nagini, go kill him. I thought he sent a spell out of him that, like, paralyzed him or something. But he thinks it’s if you kill them. That’s the whole difference between him and Harry. Harry realizes that it’s not about that.
He was like, alright, go kill Snape. He said, okay, so now Nagini is is the master of the Elder Wand. And then my last lingering question, and we don’t really have to, like, talk about this, but it’s just really a a a thought thing, is I don’t get talking about we were talking about the logic earlier, the the logic that you sit back and you think, does that make any sense? I don’t get how Harry survived Snape’s Snape Voldemort’s initial killing curse. I didn’t understand it.
And even with the books, I I still don’t understand it. Voldemort kills him, he sacrifices himself, and he goes into his thing, and then Dumbledore’s like, he’s am I dead? Dumbledore’s like, maybe you are, maybe you’re not. Yeah. I didn’t understand it most of it either.
I mean, I assume that he that it didn’t kill him. It killed the soul. Right? Or something? Yeah.
But why didn’t it kill him too? Basically, there’s 2 people in him and he killed only one of the people. So Yeah. So, you know, Harry says in the book, he’s like, then I’m dead and Dumbledore says, that is a question. Isn’t it on the whole, dear boy?
I think not. Harry says, not. Dumbledore is not. Harry says, but but I should have died. I didn’t defend myself.
I meant to let him kill me. And Dumbledore says, and that will, I think, have made all the difference. I guess because he has the protection blood still in him. There’s also a bunch of that too. But, also, Voldemort has the protection blood because he the Dumbledore even says Voldemort has some of the protection blood.
Yeah. I don’t know. Yeah. So that whole thing, I’m still not a 100%, even though I’ve read these books, like, 20 times. I’m I’m not exactly sure on how the logic of of of that works.
Keith, we did it. 7 books, 8 movies, we finished Harry Potter. We did it. Fucking a we said way back when. We’re like, oh, we get a 100 episodes.
We’ll do Harry Potter. Never thinking we’d get here. Look at us now. 200 will be born peace. We do need another milestone on there because we’ve done the 2 milestones we said we do.
We did, 69. We did, what’s it called? Fifty Shades of Grey. Fifty Shades of Grey. We didn’t finish the book, unfortunately.
Well, fortunately. No. Unfortunately, that book was terrible. And then for episode 114, we said we’d we’d make sure we followed up Harry Potter with the worst book ever written probably. So we did that.
I was gonna say what a lead in. Yeah. For Fifty Shades being terrible, what do we got next? Mexican Gothic, is next. It was a a TikTok book recommendation.
We may not ever take a TikTok book recommendation effort. So not to bury the lead, but, No. That’s the opposite of burying the lead. That’s putting it right on the headline. Yeah.
Yeah. That’s true. Yeah. So next, next time around, we’ll be doing Mexican Gothic. Probably, I’m assuming we both finished it.
And then what’s the other one, just in case if people are listening and and wanna check-in that we’re reading now? Before the Fall by Noah Hawley. Yeah. Before the Fall. So far, I’m enjoying it.
It’s a it’s a book, much different than Mexican Gothic. But either way, Keith, this has been quite the journey. We did it. Harry did it. Voldemort did not do it, but but we made it through.
So, yeah. I’m glad I’m glad we did it we did it together. That’s important to me. Just like Harry and Ron and Hermione, we did it together. No.
It was, quite the journey and, we survived all 7 Yeah. 7 books. So appreciate it. Mhmm. I’ll split my soul for you.
Alright. I’ll catch you for Mexican Gothic. Indeed. Alright. Alright.
Bye now.
