Mistborn: Final Empire (Parts 1 & 2) – Brandon Sanderson – Episode 28
The Buddies enter into the Mistborn Saga as they read the first half of Brandon Sanderson’s epic fantasy novel: Final Empire. This episode was a bit off the rails as the Buddies jumped around a lot and literally discussed how trains should be off rails. They broached many other topics as well including the religion of Ja (Morant), trilogies, noticeable colors and many more non sequiturs. Jump on board the train to crazy town and come predict what is next for Kelsier and Vin.
Intro: (0:00-4:58)
Stock Up/Down (4:59-29:12)
Favorite Character (29:13-36:01)
Bold Predictions (36:02-45:29)
Listener Mail (45:30-52:02)
Conclusion (52:03-53:07)
Next Book: Mistborn: Final Empire (Part 3-Finish) by: BRANDON SANDERSON
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All right. Welcome Buddy Book Club. I’m Dylan here with the rider to my soother Keith. What’s up, buddy? Hello there. You see, you’re the rider. Because last episode when you went all misogynist and I had to speak for cut that part. It’s a joke. Check out the last episode. It wasn’t that bad. You also talked a big game, like you were horrible. And you know what? You’ve got to be nicer to yourself. It’s 2022. All right. Well, here at the Buddy Book Club, we’re breaking down some best sellers. And this week we’ll be discussing Missed Born, The Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson, first novel of the Missed Born trilogy. If you’d like to recommend a book for us to read or reach out to us about any past episodes, you can visit our website, Buddybook.com, or sign to our DMs on Twitter or Instagram Buddy Book Podcast. You can listen to us on Twitter, itunes, Spotify, so please download and subscribe. I was going to say you listed us on Twitter. Fuck. So we’re doing this book in two parts. This is Miss Born part one. It’s a beast of a book. That’s pretty much why we’re splitting it up. It’s 647 pages of the tiniest type when you ask me. Or should we split it up? I looked at the book because I had the physical copy. Thank you, my friend John Elkin. And I was like, we could do this in one thing. And I opened up the first page and I looked at my girlfriend, I was like, I might need a magnifying class. The type is so small. I hate that. I hate that when it’s a huge book and the type is so small because you also sit down and read it and you get, like, what you read for like a half hour. It’s like I read ten pages. What the fuck? It’s also a 25 hours long audio book. And there’s a lot of world building, which we love, but that’s why we’re breaking it up. Yeah. Any book that has parts in it, you know, you’re in for something. The holes didn’t have parts, but they should have. It was a long book, too. That was like a four hour book. It would be great if holes like part one and then the end of the book. There’s never a part two. That was it. So Sanderson made headlines recently by raising $42 million on Kickstarter when his goal was 1 million. It was for, I think, like, three or four books that he had written that were just kind of collecting cobsweb on the shelf or just stuff that he was kind of working on the side that turned out to be stuff that he liked. So you can kind of through the Kickstarter, you can get those books and then, like some additional swag. And he was looking to raise a million and raise 42 million. It’s insane. Kids with terminal diagnosis on Kickstarter do not get that yet. This guy who is going to release some not super important books. Boom. Got it. Fortunately, million dollars. You could make a movie with that much money. Like a good movie. I was thinking too, because Avatar is coming out and you see that Avatar two, three, four, and five are coming out. I was like, he’s got to bring on Brandon Sanderson because Brandon Sanderson would write that shit up and it would be awesome and he’d write it in two months. I did not know that. Three movies are coming up. Four movies are coming up there’s. Part two, three, four, and five. Oh, Holy smokes. We go to the IMBD page to see James Cameron. Yeah. His next movies. They’re all already listed. I don’t know. That is due to Bran Sandstone. But then you bring my boy in there to write these. They’d be legit if he did. Yeah. I’m actually kind of surprised. So you have read a Sanderson book before, correct? I’ve read a few. I’ve read The Way of Kings, so I’ve read two of those. You think this is big? Those are 50 hours plus and they fly by. You don’t even realize. I also listen to the audiobook. Obviously those fly by. And then I also read Skyward Way. The Kings in this book are very similar, but Skyward is completely different. I would have no idea that he’s written by the same person. Yes, I knew he was big in the fantasy realm but had never read anything. And then my friend John was like, you got to read Ms. Born. Hence why I started reading this book like four times. And I totally understand people that may be listening to it or like, I can’t get into it. Whatever the case is, force it upon yourself. Pull Jerry. What’s that guy’s name? The Penn State guy? Jerry Zendesky Forestry. Force yourself upon this book in the shower, out of the showers. Doesn’t matter because so far I’m really enjoying it. I’m going to do a libation. We’re kind of doing a different setup for this episode because it’s a two parter. So we’re going to kind of skip love hate. We’ll definitely get to that in round two. But I’m keeping the libation because of Camden’s wine that was referenced. And apparently Dachshund says he has socks more expensive than it, which I appreciate because I only drink shitty wine. And I figure like a Bota box, which is like $15 for four bottles of wine. You do quick math. I don’t know. That’s like $3. That’s a pair of socks right there. So Botobox is Camden’s wine. And also it’s not bad. It’s delicious. So I don’t know, maybe Docs has really expensive socks or something. But Camden’s wine, aka Bota box. Delicious. I’ll enjoy some libation while you’re enjoying some coffee. All right, let’s jump into the stock up. Stock down. We read through part two. So if you’re following along, we’re going to stop at part two. There won’t be any spoilers because I haven’t read any further. Yeah. If you want to read along, read up to part two and then you can join in if you’ve already read the whole thing. Sweet. Listen to this and then you can tell us how much idiots we are for our predictions. Yes, exactly. Tell us how dumb we are. All right, Keith, what do you got for stock up? These are going to be a little sillier, but that’s okay. So stock up. First one. John Moran, NBA player for the Memphis Grizzlies. Superstar. So this book was written in 2006, but Brandon Sanderson knew about Jaw. He was already scouting them. He knew who he was. In fact, it’s a whole religion in the book. The religion of John. So he references it in the book. What’s his name references. Yes, references it in the book, but it’s one of the many religions. And I thought it was kind of funny that people outside the faith became frustrated with even speaking to Jaws AK people that like John Morant since they added the phrase praise be to Jaw at the end of every sentence. And if I’m a Grizzly fan, I start doing that literally. I’m just taking that from this book and I’m just saying praise be to Joe literally every sentence that involves him. Stock up for that. Grizzly fans. We know we have a lot out there, a lot of people from Memphis that listen to the pod. So take that with you and you’re welcome. That’s like how Seattle fans adopted that fish song. There’s a fish song. Maybe it’s too soon but there’s a fish song where they go Wilson, Wilson. And it just became a thing at Sea Ox games. And I’m sure a lot of people don’t even know that there’s anything to fish but Tom Hanks Wilson or that maybe he was just in castaway. Russell Wilson, do you remember him? Rtm Russell the Muscle. Yeah, Russell the muscle manmussel. My first stock up is Trilogies. So I’ve heard that all bad things come in threes, but I’m a positive person. So don’t good things come in threes, too? I mean, we got the original Star Wars. The rest are not Canon, except for maybe Revenge of the Sith. We got The Lord of the Rings. We got Austin Powers. We got Christopher Nolan’s Batman series. We got God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. We got Twig and Berries. I mean, there’s Unending wonderful trilogy. And the Miss Born series is a trilogy. We’re obviously only on the final Empire. There’s also well of ascension and heroes of the ages. So also on top of that, probably more importantly on top of Trilogies, is that Brandon Sanderson didn’t pull one of these things that a lot of other fantasy novelists do where they’re like, this is a trilogy, but I’m going to write one. The second one is going to come out five years later. The third one is still in the works. The final Empire, well of Ascension, here, the ages all came out in three consecutive years. Just like Lord of the Rings, the movies. 20 06, 20 07, 20 08 boom, boom, boom. We’re still waiting. I don’t know if you’ve read King Killer Chronicles. Great first book, questionable second book. Still waiting on the third book. But Patrick Rothless, who wrote that, pay attention. Yeah, I read the first one. Yeah, because that was 2007, I think, and then 2011, and that’s the last time. So maybe the second one, he just kind of said, no, I don’t really have the rest of the story, but I don’t understand that. Wouldn’t you have the rest of the story? Shouldn’t the third book kind of write itself in a trilogy? I mean, there’s so much world building and stuff that’s going on that I think they set the stage and they’re like, I’ll figure out as it goes. I know a lot of writers are like, oh, it writes itself. Maybe he doesn’t know. And he’s like, just fine trying to find inspiration. Yes. Or you’re just trying to make it perfect because you spent those books are super long, too, I think those thousand page books themselves. And it’s also like both. I don’t know how to pronounce his name, but the main character, Kabati. Yeah. Was kind of always had his little guitar thing with him, so I felt like he was just one of those guys who’s like, anyways, here’s Wonderwall. We’re not here to talk. No, we’re not here to talk about that trilogy is. I agree. It’s not good. My bone borrowed that. Okay, cool. I’m glad, because there are some bad trilogy out there. We got The Matrix tough trilogy. Terminator tough trilogy. Well, I thought Terminator Two was supposed to be the best sequel ever. Right. Terminator Two is phenomenal. I don’t know if it’s the best. Is there a Terminator Three? There is. Rise of the Machine. Okay. Is that with Arnold? It is, yeah. I don’t think it wasn’t very good. But either way, what else you got for stock up? Color coded shirts. Stock up. So at one point they’re basically doing a rally in order to get some scars kind of more invested into the revolution, if you will. And they have, like, the. What are they called? Feelers Southern. Sorry, I didn’t review the Wikipedia page. I was very nervous. I was going to get spoilers. I got a spoiler. I did it. I got a spoiler. The Southern are sending out different waitresses and waiters with color coded shirts. All right. Set up red. Like get anger or like, send out this to get to signal the rest of the Southern or what they should be pushing, which I loved. And that was kind of like what McDonald’s does, I think, with their colors. But personally, I don’t know if you use this method as well, but I once maybe like, 15 years ago had someone compliment say, hey, that blue shirt looks good with your eyes. And I have not purchased anything that’s not blue for the last 15 years. Literally. I remember one compliment. That’s all I’ve gotten in my 15 years. And I’ve just only buy blue from then on. But I wish there was some more like, hey, you know what? You should wear that, like red with this and this. And I would start buying different colors, but for now, it’s just blue. That’s all I got. Yeah. When I moved into my new place, I took all my old clothes out of storage. They were in storage for a year. Pretty much the entire time my girlfriend and I have been dating. So I wore a shirt that she had never seen before, and she was like, wow, you look great in that color. And I was like, oh, well, I guess I have to buy an entire new wardrobe. An entire new lime green wardrobe. Oh, that’s the color I think it was. I forget, but yeah, okay. But also, to your point, interesting. Do you know the most noticeable color to the human eye? According to science, I would say red, but I don’t know. It’s yellow. Really? Hence why taxicabs are yellow. You know my color theory, right? No, I don’t. Please. Everyone actually sees the same color. So everyone’s favorite color is actually the same. It’s just that your eyes show it as a different color. So what I see is red might be your blue, but blue and red are both are appeasing to both of us. No. You see what I’m saying? No, I think it makes perfect sense. Everyone actually sees the exact same colors. We just call them different things. Well, hold on. If there’s a Cardinal in your yard and you’re like, look at this beautiful Cardinal. It’s red you think is red is actually my green. So your Cardinals are blue or green to you? No, the word red to me, but it’s not as appeasing to me. But your favorite color is what I would say is my favorite color. Turquoise. Right. See, I see turquoise. You see your favorite color on that thing, and we both like that thing as the favorite thing. You’ve confused me, and I appreciate that because I think that was your goal. It’s like the upside down map, kids. It’s all about perspective. Also, other color talk. Orange. The color was named after the fruit and not the other way around. But I think you probably see red. Well, yeah, I actually like the color Orange clumpson. What you think is probably. I think it’s Brown. Yes, exactly. All right, my next stock up is cool looking bad guys. So Tolkien had the Nas, Gall, JK Rowling had Dementors, which were literally the exact same thing as the Nasgool. She stole everything from Tolkien horrible woman. But what Dementors from Harry Potter. Yeah, but you’re talking shit about our girl. All right. Yeah, well, she also talked shit about trons people and stuff. She’s talking shit about trons people, isn’t it? Trans Megatron. Tomato, tomato, potato, potato. But steel inquisitors an awesome bad guy. What a cool idea for just super powerful, obviously, but spooky ass guys that have nails driven through the back of their head so that spikes are coming out of their eyes. What was on their ass that you said was spooky too much? It’s something out of, like, Pans Labyrinth or obviously, Hellraiser brings, like, hell razor ideas up in your head. But if you’re telling me that those things exist and I’m walking in the street and I see one of them, you don’t need to necessarily tell me. It’s bad to say, like, oh, there’s something out there that you’re not going to agree with, and you see that it’s like, yeah, I’m not down with them. So I just think steel inquisitors the idea is pretty sweet. And I love a good looking bad guy. Back to Terminator two. We got the Mercury guy, whatever his name was, the Ti, whatever. But I love a good looking bad guy. So, Miss Barnes, watch out. I feel like I need the visuals for a movie here on this. I don’t know how they haven’t made it yet. Yeah, it’d be super cool. Tattoo, HBO, figure it out. Hbo should literally just sign Brandon Sanders into an Infinity deal. Like, hey, we’re taking all your shit. We’re making every single movie. Why are we making Game of Thrones without the source code or whatever the fuck is called? Like the prequels without any written material on it? Well, there’s a ton of written material on it, but the prequel stuff has written material. Yeah. I mean, like, 200 years beforehand. What’s his name? George RR Martin. Did. He’s one of those people, like Tolkien who anytime there’s someone’s name, he’s already built the entire family tree. There’s a story for all the people within the. Yeah, but it’s like a broad brush store. That’s what they had for the fucking last season. You saw how that went. Yes. I don’t necessarily think the show will be good, but there is source material for it. I mean, he did come out with an entire and very cool book. It’s almost like a coffee table book about the Targaryens in history. I can’t remember what it’s called, and that’s kind of what that vibe is. But, yeah, I’m not saying they won’t fucking up. And I’m also not saying they shouldn’t just take another cool original fantasy idea and go with it. We’re not going to do a cast of the movie on this one, but there is some company that bought the rights to a ton of Sanderson stuff, and supposedly they have a screenwriter for the Miss Born series. Like, the three of them are potentially just the final Empire. But I looked up the guy, and the things he had written was like, Triple X, the sequel, Diesel. I’m just not that necessarily excited about it. But I agree this would be. I need the visual. I need the visual. Last one I had was Boxing Day. So are you familiar with Boxing Day, the day after Christmas, isn’t it? Something like that or the day before New Year’s? Or is it the day after Christmas? Yeah, I think so. The British. The British celebrity. British Canadian holiday. I don’t know. I knew it was a Canadian holiday, but what is Boxing Day? It’s when the Kangaroos would kick people and shit. Yeah, exactly. No one knows. No one knows. But in schedule, boxings are money. It’s how you trade 2000. Boxings money is what buys you goods and services. So it makes a lot more sense. Now, this whole Boxing Day thing, it’s the day after Christmas is when you take your boxings, aka your money, and you go spend it on shit. Simple. You’re making a lot of sense. Yeah. So now Boxing Day, which is previously the stock is zero because no one outside of tea drinking Canadians and British people know what it means. Now we all know what it means. You take your Christmas money and you go budget. Perfect. There it is. Yeah, done. I looked it up real quick. It originated as a holiday to give gifts to the poor. Oh, that’s not changed at all. No change. All right, let’s jump into stockdown. What did you get for stock down? Stock down. Getting some much needed shut eye. I love it. I love my shut. I feel like there’s not a lot of sleeping going on in this book. So at night, like, Kelsey and Van just proves the night and they’re just doing their activities and never sleep. And then the other thing that they kind of talk about is that you can’t go to sleep with any of the metals in your body. So basically, you have to flare everything as much as possible, right before you go to sleep. Some of these metals take a while. If you want to go to sleep, you basically have to be like, all right, well, I got to fucking flare all these things. Most intense fucking craziness going for 15 minutes, and then they’re like, okay, I’m going to sleep. It’s like, Wait, what? I just experienced another universe for 15 minutes, and now you want me to go to sleep? Yeah. It’s like giving someone a bunch of ecstasy, acid, and cocaine and then being like, all right, go to bed. All right. Good luck. Ben also gets knocked out. Isn’t she typically going to die from that because she’s sleeping, right? She throws metals in her no, because they did say your body, if you’re a good enough missborn or missing, your body knows what to do. But they did say you die or you get poison. If you sleep with metals in your body. Right, you can die. But her body is able to do it like to burn those without her knowledge knowing. Okay. I can’t remember what that is. There’s like two functions of the human body. Like digestion is one where you don’t have to focus on it, and then the other one is like walking shits. Yes. Having a BM, that’s something you have to focus on unless you’re pooping in your sleep. But if you are, I’m sorry. So whatever it is, she’s able to do that my first stock down is minding your own business. So stock way up for minding your own business. You know, anything is going on around me. Not my business. Well, I like to listen in and hear the scuttle, but let’s be fair. But go on. Couldn’t disagree more. Really? Yes. I’m out. Someone could be like, I’m going to do a terrorist attack now. What am I off now I got to say something to somebody because now I’m in the know. Yeah. I’m glad you thought that happened. 911 on Dmax. Yeah. George W. Was talking to Dick Cheney and I was like, no, not you’re saying it’s an inside job. Okay. Interesting. Oh, yeah, definitely. I saw that movie Vice by Adam McKay. No, but minding her business. Vin cannot seem to mind her own business. She needs to get up into every single person’s business. But what does that do? It gives her a date with a steel Inquisitor her guts, hanging out like Giovanni Ribisi and Saving Private Ryan. Yeah, that’s what happens. You don’t mind your own business. Next thing you know, you’re looking at your own insights. Not for me. I’m going to sit here, I’m going to mind my own business. I’m going to water my lawn. Simple, very simple. Life way easier. Stock down, minding your own business. Oh, you kind of convinced me there. That’s not bad. Although I don’t think you have to necessarily act on things. I mean, you can listen to scuttlebutt and not act on it. No, because if someone tells you something’s going to happen, you got to act on it. That’s the whole point. You would just be like, no, I’m good. Well, that’s what you did for 911. Have you ever read the 911 Seinfeld script? No, there is one. Yeah. So some guy wrote, like a huge Seinfeld fan wrote a spec script for Seinfeld for having a 911 episode. It is phenomenal. So you can get it online and you can go online and find the next trip. We used to do it because it’s all the characters. There’s like four or five characters maybe, and we do it on road trips. So if there’s like five people in the car, including a driver for other people would do the show and basically act it out for the driver. It’s a great way to pass by like an hour. That’s a very artsy thing to do. But I actually would love that. That’s pretty sick. And the story is classic. Like Cramer lends his box cutter to his friend that he met Moata, like Mohammedata, and then he’s trying to get it back. They have, like, a 911 recovery thing for people that lost property and whatnot. And he’s, like, trying to get his box cutter back. It’s so dark and so hilarious. And George is once again obviously having the hero thing where someone thinks he saved them on 911. And so he tells them like, oh, yeah, I was that guy. It’s phenomenal. It’s phenomenal. Okay, what else do you have for stock down? Stockdown trains slow down. All right. Stocks way down. America. Actually, we already been over there. I did say stock down strange earlier, but we’re selling again. So to get between cities super quick, they have these, like, metal jumpabouts right there’s. Metal rods. Yeah. That they can just shoot off of, basically. Yeah. Using bending steel and iron. Whereas with trains, we kind of need a rail. We need a lot of real estate. So onto my point, as no one ever thought of putting this huge fucking magnets in the ground, we can just bounce trains off them in the air that way. We don’t need rails that way. We can just fucking go between things with a magnet. Right. It’s interesting. Elon, wake up, buddy. Where are you? It’s on Twitter. Hey, it does existing rails, though, right? Yeah. So they’re actually like electromagnetic trains, so they don’t actually touch the rail. They just, like, Hover over it. So it’s based on electromagnetism and the trains because it’s basically no friction. So the trains are able to run without friction. And friction is like the number one thing. I put that up in the air, like 50ft, so we don’t have any worry about it. Talking about flying trains, what did I say? Well, yeah, but you couldn’t do it that far apart. The electromagnetism. I mean, you could maybe. Yeah. When the cars came out, they were like, you can’t drive 30 mph. That’s too fast. Come on, kid. Let’s start thinking outside the box. Where’s Elon? Can we get off Twitter, buddy, and figure this shape, if you did that and someone walked through one of those ranges, it would be like when Jar Jar walks through the electric field and his whole face goes numb. The Sith Lord JarJar. Yeah, exactly. Read it. Read it. Depot. I remember hearing Neil Degrasse Tyson talk about it. They’re like, So when are we going to have to come with flying cars? He’s like, oh, no, we’re just going to change the dimensions or something. And he’s like, yeah, we’ll just build up and vertical and down underground. And I was like, what an idiot. What does he know? Yes. I was like, but this is kind of like that. So I’m kind of on board now. Back with him. My next stock down is having a plan. So as Mike Tyson says, everyone has a a plan until they get hit in the mouth. Well, this plan is like getting hit by Goro from mortal Kombat. It’s just coming at you from all angles. Like, do you remember Goro, the guy with the forearms? Oh, yeah. Really tough to beat. Bits born the final Empire when you really boil down to it. It’s a heist book, right? It’s just like the Italian job or gone in 60 seconds. But in some weird. I love that I said Ocean’s eleven, but I like that. Okay. Yeah, but in some weird dystopian future, potentially future past, you don’t really know. It’s like a Galaxy far, far away. So the plan in this heist is to recruit an army of sky. Pretty difficult. Create chaos in Luther, take the Palace, Kidnap the Lord ruler, A potentially divine being. Break into his secret vault of ATM. No idea where that is. In his Castle. Get out of town. All while keeping inquisitors off your back, right? That’s the general gist. This is the worst plan I’ve ever heard. If you’re talking, what do you do differently? One of those just do one. You’re overextending here. There’s too much. You’re trying to recruit an army of ska. They’re peasant people, and they’ve been beaten down for years and years and years. It’s not something that you can do While also keeping it secret. I know they have this potential cave system Where they’re going to hold all the sky in, but just, like, logistics, like Napoleon feeding his army during his Russian campaign, the logistics itself are just too difficult. How do you feed all these Sky When they’re in these caves and not get that found out? They have to survive on something. We’re talking about thousands and thousands of people. How does that even work? And so that’s like, Ham’s job. And he’s like, all right, cool. Yeah, he’s William Wallace or something. He’s just going to be able to bring up all of these rebels somehow? I don’t think so. And then they’re going to create the chaos. Sure. If that happens, they can create the chaos. Take the palace. Sounds super impossible. They don’t even know how many steel inquisitors are out there. And they have two missborns. And kelseier has only known his powers for a year. Vin is fresh. And then they have, like, a gang of ten people, Ocean’s eleven. But everyone has their own kind of power. And then they got to kidnap the ruler. I know we’re going to get into what we expect from this, but you have to agree with me. There’s 0% chance that this works in any way. Oh, it’s going to work. Over $3. How do you want to start revolution? What do you want to be like, hey, let’s start revolution, but let’s only do one part of it, kid. You got to commit. You set the goal, and you dream big, and that’s how you do it. You can’t just be like, oh, I want to win a war and just worry about one battle. You can’t be doing that, kid. We got to be doing everything. No, these guys have, like, pocket twos, and they’re going all in in a game of poker. They’re hoping one other person has ace King. So it’s like a 50 50 shot. This is you sitting at the table in 1775 and then being like, Listen, the British Army is big, but what we got to do is we got to fight back. And you’re like, no, what’s the point? Do you see their outfits? They’re wearing red. That’s the brightest color. That’s the color that everyone’s eyes attract to. You know, that they’re going to beat us. That’s what you’re saying right now in the bar where everyone else here. I’m rolling the troops up. I can’t have these negative people in the group here. Go back to Britain. Get your fucking shit. Go over the red coats. I’m not Tory. Notorious B-I-G. No, Tory. That’s what the red coat sympathizers were, aka the British sympathizers. No, I’m like Mel Gibson. I’m just killing Indians at Fort Wilderness. That’s what I’m doing. When did that happen? Wait, what? Did you ever see The Patriot? Is he killing Indians? Yeah, Fort Wilderness. That’s the whole thing. Dad, tell me what happened at Fort Wilderness, okay? That’s why he’s like, I’ll never fight again. Yeah, I mean, I just assume that was the last Mohegans who was in that movie also. No. Daniel Day. Come on, I dare you. Daniel Day Lewis, to prepare for that movie, went in the woods and built a log cabin with his bare hands and, like, a row, pretty much. He’s such a psychopath. He went in the woods and built a cabin and lived off the land for a year in preparation for Blasphemoicans. And then when they took the guy’s heart out in the scene in that movie, they’re like, no, it’s got to be real. We’re taking a real heart out. Daniel is like, no, yes. We’ll do surgery, and then we’ll put it back in. Take my heart like, Daniel, we can’t do that. Same director as Master and Commander, the great movie. So having a plan, bad idea. You’re better off just going in guns and blazing. Just see, right before the end of part two, Kelsey is like, yeah, so I’m just going to go into the main place where we think the biggest stuff is hidden. Just walking, like, on the place. You have no plan or you don’t Scout it. He’s like, I don’t think he’s going to be there. So let’s go. And then I’ll bring this 13 year old girl with me who has just figured out her powers. Wait, what? That’s the plan. And this is the guy who’s leading the whole thing, who has the plan. Oh, I like it. To me. I thought the ATM would be there. He’s a little Caucher. I like it a lot. He reminds me of a City of Peace guy there. He’s like, I got nothing to lose. Fuck it. Or guy who died at the end. Spoiler alert. Hopefully you listen to these episodes. Let’s jump into favorite, least favorite character. What have you got so far through part two of Missborn the Final Empire? Yeah, I think Vin. I mean, Vin’s awesome, right? Reminds me a lot of Aria. Really? You don’t like Vin? Well, we are opposing sides again. She’s awesome. Okay, go on, continue your idea. I mean, she’s basically Arya from. If you do not like Arya, Game of Thrones. Love Aria. Huge. Aria. Yeah, she’s my favorite character. No, Arya’s like out there assassinating people as a twelve year old, that’s literally what Ben is building up to. She’s about to turn into, like, an absolute crazy assassin. Vince wearing dresses and going to balls. She’s basically Batman. She’s going she’s doing that. And then at night she’s going out like Murkin people. Oh, and I know we jump around a lot in this podcast, but talk about people that don’t sleep like Batman. Come on, dude, get some sleep. It’s important for recovery. All right, well, you said this whole sleep thing earlier. Well, Bats come out at night. Yeah, but then he’s going to be a Playboy during the day and he’s got to run a business. Oh, playboys don’t do anything until they don’t wake up at 04:00 p.m.. So he’s doing exactly what he’s supposed to do. I want to be a Playboy. You need my Playboy. What? Okay, so you think Vin is badass? Yeah. Number two, you probably have them, but Cyzed is fucking awesome, too. She was my number two. I know Ben had some trauma. I’m going to get back to Ven. I know she’s had some trauma. So I understand that she doesn’t trust anybody. And she sees, like, this idea of this cohort, this gang of friends, and she’s torn by it because it seems like something that she wants to lower her guard and join. But at the same time, everything that she’s learned in the past, especially from her brother, who seems like a horrible person, who like, yeah, terrible. Taught her lessons by doing them to her. He’s like, oh, I learned. My brother taught me to not trust anyone by betraying me. It’s like, what? That sounds. That’s not how you teach lessons. Isn’t that what, like negative reinforcement is? And you’re not supposed to do that. But she goes too far where it’s like every single thing she can’t trust it. At some point you have to just say, okay, let my guard down a minute here. They’re like a few months in advance now, and I feel like she’s past that point now. I think she has a quiet voice in the back of her head, but I think she’s past it. But she wouldn’t leave Kelsey or alone. And then even with the ATM at the end, she’s like, you’re keeping this from me? He’s like, I wasn’t keeping it from you. It’s too dangerous for you to just start using it. It’s too expensive. It’s definitely too expensive. Holy smokes. But my favorite character we talked about, say, is that probably the best hang. We are the best hang in terms of, like, drink a beer and chat with. But definitely drink a beer and talk about crazy religions and stuff. I mean, the guy knows everything. He’s an encyclopedia. I don’t know if that’s a cool hang for you, but. Okay, go ahead. I think so. It’s like pre phone. You can’t look stuff up. He can just tell you about ancient History Channel. History Channel. I’m going to go with Hammond, aka Ham. So he’s a thug, which means he Burns Peter to enhance his physical abilities. But he loves a good philosophical debate. He’s always asking the other guy. I can’t remember what the other guy’s name is. The Southern. They sit there and they talk about interesting stuff. So I want Ham, I want Czech and myself drinking some of Camden’s wine, sitting around talking the philosophy of the final Empire. Sounds like. I mean, you don’t want a revolution because you definitely don’t want that. Hey, guys, just think about it. Let’s not do any action. Let’s keep all these people enslaved. What 911 happened, it’s all fine. Those who can’t do teach. That’s what I want. But I will say Brandon Anderson makes, in my opinion, awesome. All the characters are relatable somehow. They’re all likable. I think more importantly, he just makes them feel real. They feel like, oh, okay, this is a person. Even though there’s this crazy abilities in this crazy world, it’s a character that makes sense as somebody who you could know, which makes all of the mystical shit seem so much more real because the people are real. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. It doesn’t seem far fetched, because if everything else is set in reality, then, like, the far fetchness is. Oh, I guess that’s just normal here. Yeah. No, I mean, it’s like all the late, Fast and Furious movies. Yeah, they’re all great. Yeah, they’re set in perforal. Yeah, I agree. Good point. I didn’t do Haitable. Just wanted to throw Yedin out there. That dude fucken Yeden, whatever his name is. Yeah, he’s just complaining. Like Buddy, he’s like you. Actually, I was going to say I’m talent, Eden. It makes a lot of sense. I knew you’d like him. Bro. You’re trying to start a revolution. You got to crack some eggs here. What are we doing? You’re trying to make an omelet eating. You got to crack some eggs. Going to scramble them. Put some cheese in there, a little milk maybe. I don’t know. Yeah, the only problem is they’re cracking it without a pan. So Kelsey is just cracking eggs into the ground? Yeah, if the ground is hot enough, why not? But someone needed a Colonel Jessopin. From who? Good men. Few good men. You can’t handle the truth. Yeah, the line before. That’s amazing. He says, I have neither the time nor inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner which I provided. That right there, kids, is what we need. Did you declare Operation Rent or whatever it’s called? I forget that move. Did you say the code red? Yeah, code red. Did you issue code red there? Goddamn right I did. But that’s a good line, right? If you’re going to hire someone to start a revolution, you can’t be picking apart every single little thing. He’s doing the heavy lifting. You got to let him do it. No, I agree. I agree with that idea. It’s like, hey, the reason why you outsource this is because this is what these guys do. But at the same time, Jaden’s thinking about the people, the people matter. There’s thousands of sky. They’re all going to die if this doesn’t go right. And it seems like you’re putting it in the hands of Kelseier, who’s just like, ha ha, Happygolucky Peter Pan. And it’s like, no, this is fucking serious here. And I know Kelsey is serious, too, but I can understand why Ethan is trying to protect these people, which is at the end, but he is a pussy. So whatever. But it’s like Braveheart but dying in your beds many years from now. I’m just quoting everything right now. Is that your Scottish accent in your beds? Dying in your beds many years from now. What do you want to take? One day? Just one day. So you’re saying what you do in life echoes into eternity? Oh, yeah. What’s that from Gladiator? Wow. We’re setting the record, I think, for all references, like just tangential pieces of trash, but I like it. I’m enjoying this conversation. Let’s go into bold predictions for the book. So, like I said, we’ve only read through part two. Where we left off was at the end of part two, Kelseyer. Like we talked about before, Kelseier takes Vin into the Lord ruler’s stronghold. They try to get some information or whatever. And Vince dying, but says that probably saved her. And they came out with a book. So that’s where we’re at. What are your predictions at first is that the Lord ruler has a lemon medal, obviously, and that allows him to see even further into the future, like the next day or something. That’s why he’s able to know when his places are going to be attacked or something’s going on there. Where the reason the three inquisitors was waiting there for them and they were like, hey, what’s going on? We thought you’d be here is because it’s not someone leaking it. I think he has some sort of foresight. He’s at foresight? Yeah. What’s the other word for that? Four Chan for some. Now, what is that? Clairvoyance. Clairvoyance. Here we go. There it is. Nice in terms of predictions. I guess I’ll start there and then I’ll go into my questions. I think predictions. I’ve already alluded to this, but I think this whole plan is going to go to shit. I just don’t think it’s going to work at all. I think probably the army is going to get found out or something like that. They’re not going to be able to storm the city. Chelsea is going to have to do it alone and Vince going to have to go save him or try to save him and he’s going to do the same thing again where he brought Vin into this and now has to decide between his mission and Vin’s life or something along those lines. Like he might get captured so that he can save Vin, but the whole thing is going to go to shit is like the Matrix. Yeah, exactly. It’s basically like the Matrix. Which leads me to my next question is Vin Neo, because they talk about how she’s taking to this training and stuff so well and say that, oh, her body already knows to do this stuff. It reminds me of the scene when everyone’s looking at the screen in the Matrix and the numbers are going down. It’s like, oh my God, he is the one. Or is Vin Vader and she’s going to become the next kind of vibe of the Lord Ruler. Like she’s the psychiatrist. She is a Lord Ruler just like a younger version because he’s taking 11th medal and looking back into the future. Do you do too much? It’s way too deep. I’ll bring down the acid. 1 second. Here we go. Yeah. So what do you think? Vin Neo or Vin Vader? Well, I think my next prediction, Kai, is into this. I think Vin’s brother is Vader because he’s a missborn. Is he missborn or is he missing? Oh, I don’t know. He’s something, I assume, right? Or do we know? We don’t know. He is the same dad as Vin. Yeah, but it’s not like if you have a missing parent, then you are missing. Okay. But I wouldn’t be surprised. He left her like he’s still alive. It’s like he’s not alive. He’s going to come in some way. At some point, he’s somehow going to come in and Darth Vader betray them. He has no loyalty to her, obviously. So he’s going to be like, oh, I know her. That’s my sister. But it was weird because she saw that Inquisitor or whatever. Not the steel Inquisitor, but the other guys, maybe they’re also called inquisitors, I forget. But she saw the guy at the ball and she’s like, oh, that’s my dad. Because originally I was like, oh, is her dad the Lord Ruler? Right. Does anyone know what Lord Ruler looks like? It could be. It’s not out of the realm of possibility. Yeah. Or maybe a metal is like shape change. Like he’s a shape changer. And also we don’t know what Kelsey’s lineage is because it seems like he hasn’t talked about his own parentage. All good points. Yeah. So these are some things I’m thinking about. I also have an interesting idea. Well, it’s actually not interesting at all. It’s very basic and totally readable. But then as Valet Renew is going to get in with this Venture Air, they’ve been like teasing this. We’ve only had that first ball so far. And what’s the Venture’s name? I can’t remember Ellen Venture or something like that. He seems intellectual and he’s not down with the pomp and circumstance of high society. He wants to read books so he could potentially be an ally going forward. Yes, I’d respect him more if he was like doing an audiobook, but that’s just me. I don’t really care for that. He takes his headphones. I was like, oh, sorry. I also could understand if he’s doing an audiobook and he’s watching her, it makes more sense. But the fact that he somehow reading and seeing her, what’s going on? Unless you’re a really good reader, I can’t do that. Yeah, well, you just pause. But also speaking of audiobooks, this book is a better book. Book, I think. I don’t really like the narrator of the audiobook. He’s a little too droll for me. He’s just kind of one note doesn’t get up with the excitement or get down. He kind of uses the same voice for everyone. He doesn’t get down with his sickness, whereas the book itself is good because it’s reference material. You see maps, you can go to the back of the book and see the alomantic powers. So it’s like if you forget what a tiny eye is, it’s like, oh, what does Tin do? And you can go back to the book and just look at it. But I will defend audiobooks because I’ve been doing a lot of the yard work recently. So I’ve been listen to a separate audio book called Salt by Mark Kurlandsky. It’s basically about the history of salt, really not that interesting to a lot of people. But if you like nonfiction stuff, he also does other things on. One of them is Bird’s Eye, about freezing vegetables and stuff. It’s actually fascinating. But the salt one had a quick aside about none other than the story behind where red herring came from, the fish or the bird. Oh, my God. I hope you’re listening to this podcast before, otherwise you’re going to have no idea what that means. But really quickly. New Englanders used to prefer the red herring over the salted herring because we didn’t have enough salt here. So the red herring was less salted because we didn’t have enough salt in this area to do like a real fully salted herring. But then the New England hunters would take the red herring out with them on hunting trips and they would leave some on their trail so that the Wolves and Coyotes would follow the fish as opposed to the game that the hunters were trying to Hunt, hence putting a false trail out. Hence a red herring in a novel form. So it all came from New England. Salt fish really is where the book red herring came from. Maybe that was all interesting to me, but yeah. What are the book predictions you got? Yeah. Last one I had was that Eden. You will betray them. Seems like a rat. I don’t know if Brent Sanderson is just kind of okay. I can have everyone be really likable in this group. Someone’s got to be kind of. Yeah, okay. It could be that. Or I also feel like he’s a guy that will quickly turn his back on someone if things don’t go the way he wants it. So that’s why I don’t trust him. I don’t like the cut of his jib. I think it could be something more where the Lord ruler has captured or blockaded or trapped his entire army of sky, and it’s like, give up Kelsey or his gang and we’ll release your 10,000 SCA. And he’s like, okay, well, I’m going to do that. That’s betrayal. Yes. Betray them. But I don’t think it’s necessary. Go to the Lord ruler and say, here’s our plan. I don’t think he’s that, but I think he is. You’re like a thief at heart, so I’ll do what I’ve got to do. My last book prediction is not a prediction. It’s another question, and it’s what the fuck is a mistrate? I need to know more. I really need to know more about these creatures because they eat dead carcasses and then they assume some of their body parts. So, like, they’d eat a Crow and then grow black wings. Fucking metal. It’s as metal as it gets, right? These creatures are fascinating. And it seems like everyone’s scared of them, but they’re almost like the invisible horses in Harry Potter. Is that all you got to see? Someone murdered, or you just see the dead person? You got a funeral. Everyone can see him all of a sudden. No. Yes. I think you have to see someone get dead. Hence why Harry could see it after Cedric. Diggery. Oh, no. He saw him die. Didn’t you see his parents die? No, I don’t think so. No, because he saw them the first time after book four. Okay. Yeah, but these creatures are fascinating, Kelsey’s. Like, oh, they’re not into you. Like, they’re just Cravens or whatever the things are that eat dead animals. But anything they eat, they could become it. So it’s wild. They’re, like, assume part of it. So you could be lion, bear, man, bear, pig. So fascinating, fascinating. I want to know more about the mysteries, why they came around, why the world’s full of ash. Oh, quick question. Quick question before we get into the next section, before each chapter is like a quick Journal entry, right? Yes. I don’t really understand that, but he does. It in other books or that’s like a very Dune thing. Yeah, it is. Dunesh. So I’m thinking this is like the Lord ruler’s Journal entry a thousand years in the past as he’s figuring out his powers and his ascension to power. So I think this is like him working through that. Originally I thought it was like Kelsey’s, but it’s like, no, I think it has to be the Lord ruler. Let’s get the listener mail. What do we got? Tony from Chicago. You’ve got mail? Oh, Chicago. In the first half of the book, the miss rates fall. Ben and Kelsey are around, and they take the shape of whatever they consume. So it really makes you think you are what you eat is true in this sense. So the question is, if this were the case for you, what would you go around eating, noting that you can’t chase down a cheetah and eat it? Well, they eat dead animals. Well, there’s so many things you can find. Neat. Okay. In your current situation. So that’s the open ended question to you. Well, can you start? Because I got to think I kind of want to be big. So I’m going to start with eating some deer. I think deer is very easy to find. I think it’s so tasty. I wouldn’t mind having four legs, maybe have some antlers. You already have three legs. Or the other one that you do is you kill someone that’s like the rock and you just beat him and then you just become the rock. You just can slowly consume him until you become him. That one’s dark. And then I would eat a couple of things with my deer. Come on. I probably eat some fish because I kind of want to have some gills and maybe swim around Kevin Costner and Water World. Does he have guilt in that? Yeah, he does. I was thinking I’m just watching the boys. I was thinking the guy from that, it’s a good show. And then I would try to also find some sort of bird, maybe like an Eagle. If I could eat that or something that could Eagle. Great eyes also would be great. I was able to see really good and then good senses, like an owl, maybe. All those things I think would be those three combinations I think would be good. You can’t get a cheat up, but you can just Hunt down an owl. Like, no problem. Well, I mean, that’s what I was saying. I’m going to try to dears have pretty good senses, and then the fish also have to look out for them. So those two things are already anticipating it. So now I’m getting that. Okay, fair enough. Your train of thought got me riding on that electromagnetic train.
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You are what you eat. I just eat a human, like in previous episodes of talking about cannibalism I’m human. Who are you eating? I don’t know. Find a dead body, go to a graveyard, start eating. Yeah, but what if you get, like, an old man? You don’t want that. That’s why it’s at the rock. You get old man’s strength, you get wisdom. These are important things. It’s not just about the body, it’s about the brain. But your idea about deer got me thinking about roadkill, because that’s probably the easiest way to catch an animal. It’s just, like, eat something off the street. Right. That’d be gross, though. But whatever your carcass eater, it’s not a big deal. It’s like what you do. I gave you two things that were, like, actually would make sense. Eating. Yeah, well, you get fresh deer. I’m eating venison. It’s like, no, I mean this rotting deer carpet. That’s what you’re doing. I’m going to eat fresh deer. I don’t need the four legs necessarily. I don’t need the affinity for tick bites. So I don’t think I’m going to go with a deer. But I’ve been hunting a lot of moles recently in my yard, so they seem like interesting creatures. And they got these paddle paws, so I would eat one of those. They might not be very smart, but they got great sense of smell, and I love a good smell. Yeah. I think for that, you go to the doctor and just get it taken off. I don’t know why you’d eat it. It’s just weird to me, but I had a mole on my wrist. That’s what I’m talking about. There’s also all these elements of powers. Like, if you can’t be a missborn, if you could just be a missing, which one would you want? I like the feeling one, obviously. It’s basically the forest persuasion. The soothers. Yeah, I’m a big fan of them. Especially that guy. These are not the drones you’re looking for. Yeah, exactly. And he’s kind of the cock of the walk. That guy walks in there, and he’s like, you don’t even know if I made you do that or not. And I’m like, damn breeze. Breeze, breeze. Oh, that’s a great name, too. Yeah, breeze. Okay, so you like the idea of soothing, which is pretty much what you do on this podcast. You soothe our listeners. Yeah, totally. I’m thinking ten. I’d want to burn ten. It allows you to enhance your senses, like, all five senses. So you can kind of, like, pick and choose. I think so. Hey, at night, you got to go to the bathroom and take a piss. I don’t need to turn the light on, because the worst thing you do is you turn that light on in the bathroom and then turn it off. It’s like, I have no idea where I’m going. So instead you just don’t turn the light on. Also, you can enhance your taste. So when you’re having supper, you just enhance your ability to taste. It’s like, wow, it’s even more delicious. I’m tasting it even more. That’s a good point. Yeah. When eating that human meat and those moles and the dead carcasses. Yeah. And it’s all five senses, which includes, like, your field, too. So you’re playing sports or whatnot? You enhance that and you have a better feel for the game. That’s huge. Yeah. So that’s a good point. Yeah. I think the tinnie is pretty good. The only problem is they use the example of, like, they’re in a dark room and then someone turns the lights on. It’s like night vision goggles on. Yeah. So that would be tough. But I think if you’re able to kind of work it out, it makes a lot of sense to me. I forgot to put this in the intro, but when I compare the book to was Ocean 13 plus Senseless, the movie. Have you ever seen that movie? No, it’s a Bradley Cooper movie. Marlin Wayne and David Spade takes those shots where he becomes extra senses. So that plus this is our third run in with metal compactors or metal eaters. So we’ve had this book, we had Fifth Century, where the check each member eats metal. No, the fifth. 5th element. Sorry. No, it wasn’t the fifth element. Fifth season. Fifth season. Shit. Yeah. The fifth season where the girls eating metal and then the horse cock guy. Pardon me, Percy Jackson. Oh, Grover. Yeah, Grover. That’s the perfect description of him. I don’t know what you’re talking about. The horse got guy who eats metal. I know exactly who you’re talking about. So, yeah, that is literally the perfect description of it. Anyway. Third book. Yeah. We’re big into eating metal in this pocket. Wow. That’s probably out of all the things we’ve done, this is the first the third book where people eat metal. Stock up trilogies. That’s what we had going all along. Exactly. Good things come in threes. And this is. Hey, look at that. What a way to round it out. We’re not going to do or would you recommend this book? Because we still got more book to go. But Keith, I just want to know, are you liking it so far? Oh, yeah. I’m a huge fan. I like the narrator. I like the audiobook. I know you don’t like it, but it makes it go by very quick. I would have a very tough time reading this. He paints the picture well. I think he gets amped up when he needs you to. Otherwise he’s kind of puts you in that world and sues you. I like it. It’s fire season here in Cape Cod where it’s like cool nights and you can have a fire and still have the windows open. It’s really nice. I love reading this book by the fire. It really brings me in. So I’m enjoying it quite, very much. I’m excited for the second half. So we’ll check back in, then hopefully we continue this rule of three. This is a fun one. I’m glad we did it. And we’ll probably be checking in like next week or the week after. I think we’re going to burn through this like the medals check in. I’ll see you guys for the second half of miss born. The final Empire coming out in a couple of weeks. Until then. Bye now.
