The Hunting Party (Chapters 1-25) by Lucy Foley – Episode 3
The buddies read the first half of The Hunting Party and discuss possible murderers and murderees. They dive deep into killer babies, British slang, red herrings (fish, not birds) and casting the Hunting Party movie.
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All right. Welcome back to another installment of the Buddy Book Club. Thanks for checking us out. And thanks to pacecar Joe for the intro music. I’m Dylan here with my good buddy Keith. We’re going to deep dive into some popular books. Probably not going to be your typical book club. We’re not here to discuss symbolism and motifs. We’re keeping it light hearted and fun. That being said. Keith, how are you doing? And what are we reading this time around? I’m a little disappointed you didn’t give me a nickname there. I was expecting one. Oh, shit. I forgot about that. All right. Your wizard of Words. There we go. All right, we’re back. Thank you. We are reading The Hunting party today. I listened to the audiobook, so we read it. Lucy Foley? Yes. Lucy, this is a modern murder mystery novel. So not your Agatha Christie, but it’s going to be a little more modern. You know, I think that was her goal here. I think she’s got five books out, all of them written since 2015. This being her third. You’ve read another one of her books, right? The guest list. And it’s very similar to this. It’s like you said, the original. Who done it type stuff? And I’d never read anything like that. And so I’m right into it. Well, I was going to ask, what’s your experience with these kind of. I mean, really, my experience with this is The Hardy Boys. That’s as close as I have anything, because my mom used to if I read five Hardy Boys books, she would buy me a Nintendo 64 game. So this is a British novel. Lucie Foley is British. I’m reading the physical book and like, you alluded to you’re listening to the audiobook. So we’re going to come at it from a little bit of different angles. Sometimes I feel like the audiobooks don’t do the books justice. I don’t think that’s the case this time around, because the way this book is written is like from each person’s perspective or at least a few of them. So is the audiobook different actors doing different? Yeah. Which is nice. Yeah. Then you can kind of get the personality of the person. So, for instance, Miranda, by listening to it, you’re like, this woman seems kind of like a bitch, right? You can kind of get that through the audio of her talking, whereas an Emma is like soft spoken, kind of preserved. So instantly you kind of learn the character through the voice, which really helps. Whereas obviously, sometimes you have to kind of make that up in your head. Cool. So before we dive into The Hunting Party by Lucy Foley, I think it’s important because we’re going to have a nice conversation here is to not be parched. No one wants to be parched when you’re having a nice, long, intelligent conversation. Seemingly intelligent. So normally we like to have a cocktail or drink based on the content of the book, but Lucy seems to like to imbibe herself, so she wrote in a few different drinks for us within the context of this book. So I don’t know if you caught any of these, but one option is kava. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with that. It’s a sparkling wine, but one of the characters in the book says that it tastes like vomit, so I’m going to pass on that Dom Perignon, as the classic people call it. Our main characters in this book bought a case of it with them on vacation, which is twelve bottles. I mean, I think a bottle of Dom is like $150. So these guys, have you ever had a bottle of Dom? I’ve had some Dom. I haven’t. Okay. Can you tell the difference at all? I don’t have that kind of palace. Give me the MoWay or whatever. Yeah, a little OJ in there. Easy peasy. Can’t remember what the crappy one is that you used to drink back in the day, like Krug or something like that. Whatever. But I’m not going to spend $150 on a bottle of champagne while we discussed. So I’m going to pass on that as well. Another one is the Boulevard Deer, which is a delightful sounding drink with one part bourbon to half part for vermouth and Campari. You garnish that with an Orange Peel. So that sounds delightful. I think if someone to take a hit the pause button and go make one of those, they should. But the only problem is this book is set in Scotland. So if you’re drinking bourbon in Scotland, it just seems absurd sacrilegious, right? Absolutely. Yeah. You got to go Scotch. Maybe on the rocks, maybe a little water in there. I know Scotch is a tough thing to do, especially in the wintertime, which is the setting which kind of brings us right into that. But they’re basically on this hunting Lodge grounds that’s, like deserted. That’s just getting shitloads of snow freezing. The only thing you can drink there is Scotch to warm you up, right? Agreed. So we’re going with Scotch. Pour yourself a little Scotch and water if you want single malt. Ideally, single. This will be released on Monday morning. So continue to use that advice on Monday morning as well. That’s fine. All right. Well, now that we’ve got our beverages squared away, let’s get into the book. The gist of hunting party is pretty much nine friends in New Year’s Eve. That is secluded estate in the Scottish Highlands. They’re staying in a Lodge there. This is their annual holiday trip that they do every year. This time around, it get a little flip turned upside down when one of the friends is murdered. To add to the tension, a snowstorm comes out of nowhere, shutting down all routes in and out of the estate. The group is now locked in with a murderer in their midst. Scottish Highlands murder in the midst that checks out for me so far. I’m digging it with that kind of stuff. But Keith minus the murdering. Is this your type of New Year’s Eve holiday? I think New Year’s Eve is not one you should be spending with a couple’s retreat. That’s just my opinion. I feel like couple’s retreat is meant for off at a beach location. Off, like where everyone can do their own thing kind of thing, right? You can go off, fuck around. You come back, you have a nice little barbecue, everyone gets drinks going. This is like you get stuck in a house with everyone, nothing to do, and everyone’s thorns are showing, and you basically just see couples worse things. That sounds fucking miserable to me. This is not what you want to do on New Year’s Eve, right? Am I wrong with that? I couldn’t disagree with you. More with you. More. Wow. Okay. This place sounds sick. It’s the big fire in the main hall. Cozy chairs, stag heads on the wall, tons of board games. I mean, the place has an entire glass facade, which is kind of creepy. So good setting for a murder mystery. But it reminds me of there was this really crappy movie called 13 Ghosts that came out with Shannon Elizabeth back in the day horror movie. But the house was all made of glass and it was pretty cool looking. So it kind of reminds me of that. I’m hoping Lucifer, what’s missing here is the skiing. So that’s where you get away for the day, where they don’t have anything, right. At least from the beginning part. So if you’re just stuck inside and there’s nothing to do, I’m just imagining having to go on a trip with some of these characters, this would be miserable. This would not be fun. I mean, they’re going to play twister and stuff like this seem fun enough. That’s true. They were popping pills, playing twister. That’s fair sexual groping. But yeah, also house party on New Year’s Eve. Better than nightclub. Oh, no club thousand percent. Well, that’s what I was saying. I feel like it’s one of the two. You either have a fucking Ripper and you have a huge house party with like that’s when you’re College and post College days. Or if you’re with couples, I feel like it’s a ski resort. Or you’re like a beach weekend. Maybe I’m just the old man, but especially as a single guy, I feel like I have even more stakeholders. This would be the worst for a single guy, but I disagree. I’d be down. They obviously decided to pile their money together, buying a ton of food, which I love to do. Buy a shit ton of food, make some great meals. You’re Emma. You’re Emma. In this book, I am. Maybe I’m the murderer. Oh, okay. So like we said, this is these nine friends, four sets of couples, and then Katie, who’s the odd one out. So it’s the nine of them. They think they have this place booked alone, but actually, there’s an Icelandic couple as well who’s staying there, as well as the gamekeeper. Who Doug the gamekeeper, and then the caretaker of the Lodge, who also kind of like runs the place. Heather, there’s one other guy. I’m not going to even consider him into this because he’s not really in the story yet, but just for listeners out there, we’re going to go through the first half of this book. We’re not going to go through the whole thing this time around because this is a murder mystery. So we want to kind of bounce some ideas off each other. That’s kind of the fun part of having a murder mystery is trying to guessing, trying to tie the threads together. So it’s going to be different than our other podcast that we have out there. So check in next week, and we’ll do the second half. So with that being said, we don’t know halfway through the book, which is where we stopped. We stopped at chapter 25 after chapter 25. We don’t know at this point who was murdered. They open it up because you have to get people hooked. So they open it up with them finding the dead person. The book kind of takes place, like we said in first person perspective, and it takes place after the body was found. And then they kind of rewind three days to when everyone’s showing up at the Lodge. So we don’t know who the murderer is, obviously, and we don’t know who was murdered. But we’re going to get some ideas out there based on some of the clues that Lucy has given us throughout this 1st, 150 pages or probably 4 hours in your audiobook. I don’t know exactly. There you go. So I think we start off at the top. Who do you think was killed? Who was it going right into it? Yeah. First off, I’m not really sure if it’s a guy or girl. I thought it was a guy, but I think we had to debate on that guy or girl. This is why we don’t do really intelligent books, because our reading comprehension level is so bad that we came out of this both thinking a different sex had died. I thought it was a woman. You thought it was a guy? Yeah, that’s part of the mystery. I think. I don’t know if she meant to do that, but maybe that’s part of the mystery. Okay, so let’s act as if it could be either. Okay, perfect. Okay. So let’s go over. I think getting a brief overview of the characters, too. We’ll kind of talk our way into this. So I think the main focus of the book so far has been on Miranda. Or at least I feel like she’s the strongest personality there, which I don’t know. The thing is, I haven’t read enough murder mysteries to know is that the person that’s going to be or not. But I think somehow she’s either going to be the killer or dead. That’s one of the two. That’s the first person I point to. The other person that I think is another big issue is Katie. There’s something up with her. And one of the random questions I had for what needs to be answered is, what’s up with Katie? Why is she being so weird to Miranda? Why is she being so stand offish? Obviously, she’s a loner, but there’s something going on with her that I think in the second half is going to be revealed. That’s going to be like, my boyfriend, bro. She’s the only one without she’s you on this trip, and she’s fucking pissed. This would be you that’s you don’t realize. Oh, you said I would be Emma earlier because the food thing. So I would be Emma. Plus, Katie and I would be Debbie Downer. So Katie at the beginning, like, they’re getting on the train to go up there, and there’s one offseat. So every seat is for a couple, and there’s one seat that’s not in the same car, and she gets all pissed, and it’s like, I’ll take that seat, like, playing the victim. It’s like, Hon, you’re the only single person, right? I get it. It sucks. But you’re going to take that seat. It’s just the way it goes. Yeah. Stop whining about that shit. Who cares? Yes, she’s like, oh, I’m not friends with my friends anymore because I’m a big time lawyer. I’m trying to make partner. It’s like, okay, we all have choices in life. Do you want to be the partner or do you want to hang out with your friends? She’s got some serious FOMO, and it’s also like, her relationships. Is it that big of a deal to be like, hey, excuse me. Do you mind changing seats with me, or I’m going to sit in the aisle and drink with my friends this whole time on those trains. Which one do you want? Right? That’s an easy choice for the people there. I don’t even know why. It’s not even a big deal. It shouldn’t even be part of the story. Just shut the fuck up, Katie, and just, like, just figure it out, right? Yeah. It definitely shows some strife between her and the rest of the group and alienates her for sure. Yeah, I will 100% agree that Miranda is the focal point of the story so far. I think it’s because she’s kind of the centerpiece for everyone in the party. Not only is she like, Gregarious and beautiful, but she also like her, Katie and Samaria. I think that’s a girl’s name Samira. Samira, her. Katie and Samira were like, best friends, and this is all College friends and then their significant other. So something we can all relate to. If you have a good group of friends and then people start getting married or coupling up, those other people come into the group. And there is like a weird learning to feel the vibe of the group phase, which they will get into with Emma. But Miranda is definitely the focal point because she kind of touches everyone in the group emotionally and maybe physically. Yeah. And I think we could just right off the bat, eliminate certain people. So Bo and Nick are literally the only thing they talk about them is that they’re gay and that one of them is American. I don’t think they had any other part of the story. Bo is a lover of drugs. All right, don’t ever forget. I don’t remember that being mentioned. That heavy. I assume it was Bo Jackson. Is that right? Because I don’t know any other bows. Definitely. Bow bows are recovering addict. Oh, okay, that’s right. But they’re literally nothing part of the story. I think you cross them off the list. If they’re actually involved, then that’s going to be the biggest shock. The random European couple or Icelandic couple. Those are just red herrings, right? They’re just in there just to mix it up. They have nothing to do with anything. Right? Would you agree with that? I don’t know. I like them. That’s all I’m saying. Okay. You like them for the murder or the death? No, I just like them. They’re my kind of people. No, I’m not that’s neither here nor there. I agree with that. Let’s focus on who’s dead, right? Okay. Yeah. I’m going to say it’s Miranda. She’s too front and center. Too much to the point. She has to be. It has to be. It has to be her. She’s the central person in the group. So more people have things not to like about her, just because the more you get to know people, the more you start to dislike them. And if it’s a guy, which the way I read it, Miranda, she’s also like the reverse Austin Powers. Women want to be her, and men want to be with her. And with that being said, jealousy and lust are two powerful murder motivators. Not only seven deadly sins, jealousy, lost or envy, I guess, is one. Yeah. So I don’t even really want to dive too much really into who’s dead, because I think the only real potential is her, considering they put so much time into her in the first half of the book. I guess if we’re going to talk about other potentials, it could be Julian, her husband. Yeah. Insider trading. I mean, come on. Is that what we’re worried about? You’re involved in some insider trading and is really upset about it. And Mark knows. Well, let me bring that up real quick, because I think that’s important. Obviously, Mark is like, I know something that you don’t know the Miranda this whole time, but I don’t think that is what it is. It’s obviously something else, right? Because it’s never been told or rated. Is that the word or rated? That actually he keeps like, I know something and she’s like, I’m not fucking listening to you, which is like always you didn’t want to listen to me. That’s like a common truth. I feel like it’s possible that Mark’s feeling that he knows something about Julian. Yeah, that’s different. It’s the insider trading thing. Yeah, I don’t think it is. Okay. Yes, but yeah, I think those are the only two that you circle again. We’re going to find out more about these characters, which will probably change their mind. But first half everything is pointing towards Miranda. Yeah, I think the only other potentials in the women factor are Emma or Katie. Katie could die considering she’s kind of a loner and seems to she was alone. So it’s possible she was murdered because murder someone is when they’re alone. And Emma who will get into Emma’s a very interesting character in this. So I guess the next thing that I really want to move on to is the whole point of this, you know, who killed whoever this person is. And I’d like to do it in a ranking fashion from least likely to most likely. So we’ll do a countdown top ten QB’s of all time. Except our countdown is who’s likely to murder someone QB story white likely to be killing someone QB? Yeah, exactly. Okay. Alright. Who’s likely? I’ll start it off with my last place person, which is Heather. Heather is the sex starved caretaker. We get inside her head during the narrative and the only few people that we hear the story from in the present where the body’s been found is her and Doug, the game warden or gamekeeper or whatever you want to call them. So when we’re in her head at this point she’s like begging for the body not to be in the lock, which is Scottish for Lake. So she’s begging for it not to be in the Lake because that’s her happy place. And so unless she has some sort of split personality disorder, it’s not her simple as that. Okay, well, not so fast, my friend. To quote her. Contrary, I always never rule out anyone that has a dark past, whereas Heather, I know she was a doctor or nurse or some sort of Er person paramedic man and her husband. Was it husband or boyfriend? I kind of missed that. I think Jamie, I believe his name was. Yeah, like died as a firefighter, which I think somehow he came to the Er or something. Something happened there, but I’m just guessing just based on the way she writes that there’s going to be some other dots connected somehow that’s connected to other people in this group. What? I’m going to go on a little bit later on. So I’m not moving her there. Very least likely is going to be the random European couple, aka the red herrings. Like I said, also, did you know red herrings are not birds? It’s a fish. Yeah, I know. Idea that the fish. I thought it was a bird for sure. I thought I was like, oh, I’m distracted by those birds over there when really? What are the red herrings? I think I ended up actually looking it up because I thought it was okay. This is good. What is it? Yeah, the origins are from an English journalist, William Colbert, a presumably official story about how he used red herrings as a boy to throw hounds off the scent of a hair. Oh, yeah, I like it. Yeah. Also other herring facts. Dead herrings are what they usually use to bait lobster traps, at least in the New England area. Oh, great. Today I learned great stuff here. Anyways, that is my number. Is that eleven or that’s the Icelandic phone. The couple. They’re not yours. They’re eleven and ten. I’m just going to say that they’re about halfway down my list. Wow. Okay. Yeah, we’re getting some difference. We know Miranda is dead. It’s just a matter now who killed her? Yeah. I mean, this is usually the movie midsomar or mid summer or whatever. No, I heard that’s kind of freaky good movie. Okay, they’re like the mid Somar bloodlusting sex scenes. So, I mean, what else gets American? In other words, is that what you’re saying? Yeah, they’re down to murder, for sure. Plus, like, the guy at dinner is talking about how the Hunt, the thrill of the Hunt, getting your blood up. I don’t think it’s actually them, but they could actually just be murderers. They murdered a bunch of people. It’s just not Miranda. Exactly. We’ll agree there. Okay. All right. So who’s your second least likely. I think I already referenced it, but Bo and Nick, they don’t add anything to the story. They’re very low down on my list as well for killers. Okay, they’re not at the bottom of my list. They’re close to the bottom. Why they’re not at the bottom is because Bo knows that Miranda has got that big bag of drugs and he’s got the itch. He’s a drug addict. So maybe he’s like, Yo, I’m just going to murder this chick because I need all the ecstasy right now. That would be very simple. But, yeah, I agree with that. Why can’t it be a simple answer? Yeah, it could be my second least likely to be the murderer behind Heather is Priya. Priya is the baby. I was like, the car they drove in. What do you mean, no, Priya is Giles and Samira’s baby. Okay. And thanks to some particularly Macabre research, supposedly, the Internet tells me no one under the age of four has ever murdered someone. So considering that that would be the best list of all time, the baby is like, I don’t know, a year old, maybe. So it’s probably not her. But it’s not impossible. That is a great time. Who does it? We have to consider everyone. And can I get into my read between the lines that you bring that up? Yeah, of course. This book is literally all about having kids at the fucking worst, right? That’s literally the whole sentiment of this book. Samaria and Giles are the worst two characters. We always talk about bad characters. Samara comes in and is like, oh, I have a kid. I have a kid. And then it’s rubbing in Miranda’s face, and then she’s like, guilt tripping everyone that’s drinking or doing drugs around her, like, there’s only one way to go in this type of group setting. If you have a kid and it’s to be that person that’s, like, Yo, get fucked up for me. Let’s go. And then you’re like, encouraging everyone. Yeah, we know you have to feed the kid and you have to do all that shit. You just keep that quiet. You don’t fucking complain about. You don’t do anything. This is a group trip. Nobody wants to give the shit about your fucking kid, Prius. Okay. Drive that thing somewhere else. You like that? Yeah. I think that’s three between the lines there, too. I did read that between every single line. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. It’s more Samira the mom. I think there’s two kinds of parents out there. There’s the kind of parents who, like, when their kids six months old, they like, leave it with their parents and they go on vacation and they don’t think about it. And then there’s the other kind of parents who couldn’t possibly think of leaving their child anywhere ever. Which is what Samira seems to be like. And the worst part is that both of these sets of parents look down on the other. But I totally agree. The buzz kill, unfortunately, is fine. I have no problem if someone’s like, I just had to catch. I’m not going on this New Year’s Eve trip. It’s like, that makes sense. But you can’t then come and be that person. You just can’t. You can’t do it. You can’t do both. It does take away from it. But unfortunately, that’s just the way it is. I have kids. Susie Foley knows what she’s doing. She put that in there, and I appreciate it. Good color. Okay. So I’m assuming because of that, you think Samira is probably not a murderer, right? She would be next on my list and Giles. But if she were dead, I wouldn’t be that upset about it. I mean, what? Yikes, dude, that kid is going to grow up without a mom that’s fucked up. Well, the one thing we can’t agree on is both of those people were next on my list. It was Giles and Samira. Samira is not leaving that baby’s side long enough to kill anyone. And she carries the baby monitor around with her so she couldn’t sneak up on anyone because that thing’s crackling. And Giles actually seems like a great dude. Giles is the best, the number one guy in this group you want to hang out with tell me more. Giles. He’s aging a little early. He’s losing a little hair on the top, but he just likes to have a good time. He just wants to go out there and laugh. He wants to crack jokes. He wants to make fun of people in a friendly manner. He’s a good hang. I tried a new name with Giles, too. It’s a solid name. It’s a very underutilized name as well. I’m trying to think of Giles. Isn’t he, like, a double seven movie or something? I’m trying to think about what that name comes from. That’s James Bond. Actually, no, but I think Giles wants to take the Ecstasy and Mirror kind of gives them the side eye. It’s just the worst. I agree. But you know what? It’s what he’s signed up for. And at the same time, he’s the kind of guy who’s not going to resent her for that. He’s like, I get it. I got a kid, and I appreciate it. So overall, he seems like a level headed, cool guy. Maybe a murderer, though. That’s something you put down in your stomach, and then it comes out and you murder someone. Yeah. Maybe he’s been holding back this huge love for Miranda. Like everyone else. He never let it out. And he’s an absolute psychopath. Yeah. Okay. They’re on my list. Nick and Bo for me, was next. So let’s start getting into our top half because I think we’re in the top half here. Who’s next on your list for the murder? Yeah, I would say. And I coupled them together, so I don’t know if that’s how you did it, but I would say Emma and Mark. Emma just seems her disposition is too friendly. And then if anyone, I would say Emma is above Mark for killing Mark. There’s two obvious choice. In my opinion. He’s already shown violent streaks. I don’t think he would. They’re already setting him up to be like a murderer, which makes me right away think it can’t be him. You know what I mean? It’s almost too obvious. Okay, so Mark, being this low on your list blows my gourd. And I think you’re saying the only reason why he’s this low on your list is because they’re paying him to be the most obvious. Exactly. You can’t take the person that he’s violent. He does all these things that makes me think the opposite. You know what I’m saying? You got to re out. Think yourself. You can’t go with what makes sense. You have to go the opposite. Mark and AMA are my number one and number two. Really? Oh, okay. Simple as that. I mean, obviously, Mark a Cook to Noah Cook mine. Shout out, buddy Ranch. Mark is the most obvious. But I don’t think just because he’s the most obvious, we should immediately pass it up because who knows what else we have in store for us. But I’ll get into that once we get into my top ones. But my next on the list after Nick and Bo, is Katie, Katie the loner. Okay, murderers are often single people. I just made that up, but I’m sticking with it. I’m pretty sure our spouse is the most likely to be murdered. But anyway, I’m talking about, like, not like, serial killers. Yeah. Okay. So Katie’s, next time I list, and the only thing is murders are often single. She’s a lawyer. I guess you could know the law and how to get away with it. So this could be, like a big plan for her. But it doesn’t seem like she has enough motive. She’s just kind of sad. So this seems horrible. But if she was going to kill anyone, it seems like she’d probably kill herself. Don’t fucking cut that because it’s true. You’re not wrong. I just don’t think she has enough motive to hurt anyone else physically. Okay. I had her as number one. I think I already mentioned it, but I think Katie and Miranda, there is a weird relationship there, which we don’t normally know what’s going on. And there’s something going on there where Katie, I feel like is going to snap or something’s going to happen, or Miranda is going to snap, and it’s going to force Kate to do something. That’s what I’m leaning towards right now. Okay. So Katie is your number one. After we finish this list, I want to come back to that. So remind me. Okay. I don’t know if we want to get it now, but Miranda stalker, I think, is very important to yeah, bring it before we get to the killer. I think so. Part of this whole thing is that Miranda has a stalker, and the stalker was with her throughout College and actually after College. But then in the last couple of years has gone away, and the stalker would sneak into her apartment and steal things and then send them back to her with notes. And I think she has this weird relationship with her stalker, where it’s like she likes the fact that someone likes her that much, but is also super creeped out by it. She plays it off like it’s no big deal to her friends, but personally, it’s traumatic. I mean, how could they not be after Katie, for me, is Miranda. So the only problem is we’re working on the premise that Miranda is the dead person. So I think this is I don’t know if it’s an issue of where we stopped in the book or the fact that the book just hasn’t revealed it yet, and it could potentially not even be revealed until the last 20 pages. We have no idea. So based on the way we want to do this, we unfortunately, have to work off some assumptions of who’s dead. But I think either way, either Miranda stalker is the murderer or the murderer personally. So the next on my list was Miranda herself. If she’s not the murdered person, then she could definitely be the murderer. I mean, she has it all except for a good job. And murdering is technically a job. So that would kind of be the last thing she needs in life a job. And she got one murdering people. Yeah. Seemingly, she doesn’t seem very good at it because she left a lot of obvious traits. Like, there’s a lot of ways you could kill someone in this place. It seems like. But strangling them doesn’t seem like the best way to do it now. Yes. Which seems like the way the body, based on what we know so far, it seems like that was the case. Yeah, it seems like she wouldn’t be very good at that. That’s what she said. Okay, so who’s next on your list? After you had Emma and Mark, I had Miranda in the same spot. So I had Miranda then Julian above her, and then I think we covered everyone. But then that would be Katie is the number one. So it’d be Katie number one. Julian number two. Miranda number three. And Julian is Miranda’s husband. He’s involved in the insider trading. He won’t have sex with his beautiful wife, even when he’s on ecstasy. So his priorities are definitely screwed up. So if his priorities are screwed up, then he could definitely murder someone. That’s my thought process. Yeah. And I also would tie that in with Mark has some secret over him as well that we don’t know. There’s something else dark there that I think is going to be reeled later, and it’s going to paint the pictures. Julian is not like he’s obviously already being painted as not someone. That’s not great. But now it’s even more so I would say, once that gets revealed. So what about Doug? Doug’s the gamekeeper. He kind of. Yeah, the loner. What do you think, Doug? He’s an ex Marine. Excuse me? Once a Marine. Always a Marine. So he’s a Marine. He’s got some serious PTSD. I mean, he’s seen some shit. He’s done some shit. So what’s one more murder under the belt. I think he falls into the Mark category as like, also, we know in the present tense that he found the body, so I don’t know if that’s what he says. He found the body. That could be the case there. I picture Doug as the most Scottish person. I think I have the best movie character for him. Possible. I don’t think you can beat me on this one, but if it’s a young Sean Connery, then I’m okay with it. That is actually. Damn it. All right, well, I’m just going to be on mine. Mine. Mine was Tom Hardy who doesn’t talk over and just have those like, I’m going to murder you. Eyes. I’ve seen things. Eyes. You know what I mean? I think he’s just perfect for him, and he barely talks. So that works either way. But, yeah, I think we need to find out what Doug’s past is. We obviously know it’s dark. He obviously came back from the war, I think. Right. And then something else happened where he got basically like, it sounds like they gave him a pass because he was a soldier, and then he was like, all right, well, they’re going to give me a pass. I got to go in like, prison myself pretty much. Yeah. I don’t know if it was from that. I think he did three scores. I don’t know if it’s from that or like what he saw overseas that affected him, but definitely has potential for murder. Yeah. And he trips sex, apparently because everyone wants to bang them. That’s where Tom Hardy has that like I could live out in a cabin by myself, but come out and every single girl wants to bang me. Still look, he’s like Jacked with translucent Scottish skin. Heather sees him jumping into the lock in the middle of the winter to go swimming. So do we need to bring the segment out there? Did you get a boner? I got a boner. I mean, Heather sure did. She said afterwards that she looked at him, felt a little ashamed, not super ashamed because she hit the bathtub and did a little scratching on the ones and twos and had her first orgasm in a year. So she says, so good for her and good for Doug. Really? I think there are two sex starved characters in this book, and it just seems like if this was a romcom, they would be hooking up at the end and realize they love each other. Before I get into my top two, I want to take a brief discussion about the Highland River. There’s been some talk in the book of the serial killer who’s in the Scottish Highlands murdering people, and he’s been on a tear or assuming he because most serial killers are. Why couldn’t it be this person that we don’t even know existed yet in the Highland River? Interesting. So you’re saying it could be Doug? Well, someone’s been roving around the Scottish Highlands, murdering people. The book set in Scotland, and there’s a murder in the book. So all the boxes are checked. I mean, this is actually directly taken. I’m pretty sure, from the Yorkshire River, which is a real person. I’m not going to say the guy’s name because we don’t promote serial killers on this podcast. Yeah, we never have never will. He killed 13 women, at least proven to kill at least 13 women in the 70s and the 80s. It’s actually on Netflix. Now there’s a documentary. It’s called The Ripper, and it’s pretty good. So this was the Yorkshire Ripper, and also in the UK. I’m pretty sure that she took that idea and kind of carried it over into creating the Highland River. So I think it could be a potential suspect. It could also be like, the person who did this murder could be one of the friends who could also be the Highland River. It could be very Scooby Doo for scuba Doo esque. I thought it was an ode to the Scranton Strangler from the office. That’s why I honestly was thinking it was similar to yes, obviously it was just like, kind of a passing comment. Everyone talks about it’s just fucking Toby
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here’s. The thing was Prius accounted for at this point. Do we not know Prius hasn’t gone on a killing streak or no, the baby. Yeah, Prius. I still don’t know the gender of that baby. You get a small enough knife or I don’t know if it’s hands are big enough to strangle, so maybe they just get a good view. Interesting. Okay. My one and two, like I said before, is Emma and Mark, who are a couple. Mark is their friend from College, and Emma is the new girlfriend. So as we talked about, it’s hard when you’re new to a group to kind of assimilate into that group. So that’s kind of her role in this story. And we do get some first person narrative from her. We don’t get first person narrative from everyone. So Emma’s kind of thing is she wants to fit in. She wants to be part of the group. She also wants to be just like Miranda. I think someone commented at the dinner table. I think it was Doug that. Well, he didn’t say it at the dinner table, but his thoughts was like, Emma looks just like a smaller uglier or less pretty. Let’s say less pretty version of Miranda. She has a bleached blonde hair to look like. Miranda even says she wants to ask Miranda what her nail Polish color is because she wants to have that too. So she’s, like, really trying to be Miranda. And she’s also trying to please everyone else by getting like, she set up this place and she wants everyone to be happy and have fun. And she got all the food. And she’s going to make this elaborate meal a brief pause for the meal she’s trying to create. She’s trying to do, like, beef Wellington. As someone who likes to Cook for a big group, don’t overshoot. Just make good food. If you try to make a beef Wellington and the pastry starts slipping off the beef, especially this type of trip, everyone’s getting hammered and doing drugs like a good burger goes a long way here. I don’t think you need to fucking roll out a meal that people will never forget. Yeah. You’re going to ruin your vacation by spending three days in the kitchen. Come on. But also the reason. So on the one hand, I definitely completely sympathize with Emma trying to fit in. I don’t think she’s trying to necessarily be more in. I think she’s just, like, trying to ingratiate herself with her, right? She’s like, hey, there was that brief moment where I think it was Doug who was saying it and he was like, this looks like she’s trying to be exactly like her, like, wear the same clothes. Okay, look like her. That’s the point. But kind of creepy. The psychopath’s vibes that if you want to say, Emma’s the killer, the one thing you point to is Katie’s, like, helping her cut meat, and she just starts bleeding on it because Katie is a psychopath. Also, that’s why I kind of have her as a talk car. But Emma is like, oh, my God, you got cut, and she’s like, this motherfucking bitch messed up my cooking. That’s her first thought. She wasn’t like, oh, my God. This chicks bleeding everywhere. She was like, yeah, damn right. You just ruined my life. What if I made a great meal and someone decided to bleed on it? And people are like, oh, I’m not going to eat it now. It’s like a whatever. Eat some blood B that’s fucked up. Don’t ruin my meal. So I’m with them. But my only trepidation with her not being the killer, being the killer, I guess, is that people who Cook for their loved ones, they can’t be murderers. You heard it here first. Detectives that are listening to this podcast. Yeah, and my number one is Mark. We talked about how he’s the most obvious, and he’s the most obvious because he’s got a super short fuse. He comes from a physically abusive household. His father used to beat him. He smashes pictures that he doesn’t like against the wall. Did you get that line in there? No talking about how when they get angry, sometimes, like, there was a picture on the wall that he didn’t like, so he smashed it. All right, bro, either you’re, like, a huge art critic or, like, you’re really short fuse. He wasn’t super big because he’s a rugby player. Him and Julian, he wasn’t super big and then got super big by drinking protein shakes. Yes, he’s written up. All right, let’s be serious. This guy is. So he’s got the Royal rage. And also Emma notes that he looks quite similar when he’s turned on as when he’s angry. That’s fucked up. What? But Emma also likes that. So she’s a psychopath. Hence my number one and number two. Okay, all right, I’m moving Emma up the rankings. Now that I’m thinking it out and she’s a ride or die, she’s like, if Mark killed the person right in front of her, she’d be like, all right, as long as you didn’t fuck up my meal and let me cover up for you, don’t put the blood on the meat. Also, let’s have sex because you have that look in your life. He’s like, no, this is my murder look. And she’s like, I can’t tell the difference. So that’s creepy enough. All right, so that’s our cast of characters, and that’s who we think. So give me again. Your top three. Yeah, I had Katie one, Julian, two, Miranda three. Okay, I have Mark one, it’s Emma one, Emma one, and Mark two, Julian three. That’s mine. So I guess let’s talk about the stalker. Who do you think is Miranda’s stalker? Because the stalker has to be here, right? Yeah, I think. Well, you go first. I thought we’re going to have the same exact thing here, but I want to hear your take first. I think mine might be a little bit more out of left field, but I thought it wasn’t at all. Okay, well, my number one for the stalker is the same as my number one for the killer. And it’s Emma. Her stalker is definitely Emma. There’s no question in my mind, but she didn’t know her in College. Yeah, exactly.
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Okay. She knew her, but no one knew that she knew her. Okay, so a couple of points here. The stocking stopped a couple of years ago. Emma came into the picture a couple of years ago. Coincidence. Also, the locked in the bathroom store that sold it for me. That was like, okay, there’s like, a point when Emma, when she’s all fucked up on the drugs, is like, oh, Miranda, remember that time when you got locked in the bathroom at that house party? That was crazy. And Miranda was like, oh, what are you waiting there years ago? And she was like, oh, no, that must have happened a couple of years. Like, Emma kind of tried to slide in, like, oh, no, that happened a year ago and whatever. And then they moved off of it. So Emma was like, this. She looked totally different. That’s why she’s trying to look like Miranda now, but she used to be, like, black haired, totally different looking creep. They make it seem like the stalker is a man purposely because the stalker is not a man. It’s a woman. And it’s Emma done. Deal. All right, well, we’re a little bit off there. I’m going to say the stalker is also a woman, and his number three on my list. The Miranda stalker is Miranda. All right, hear me out. First off, she’s definitely bipolar because she’s like, yeah, I don’t remember taking these pictures at all. And there’s all these groups of friends I’ve had that I don’t know them at all. She’s leaving herself notes when she does things bad. She’s like, you shouldn’t have stolen that type of thing, or she does things where she cheats and then throws it away. There’s no possible way anyone can do that except for herself. Everything points to her doing this to herself, not someone else stalking her in doing this and everything. It just seems like that she’s talking about is someone that’s bipolar and not someone that is sneaking in and misplacing something for her and then getting it back to her. That just sounds really off. So I think interesting that I also think is why Katie is upset with her because she went to her bipolar things and went off on her or something like that. And I also think, Mark, I don’t know if this is right, but I feel like Mark groped her for some reason, but that might have been because they’ve already done something where she doesn’t remember it. That’s what I’m it just seems so weird that would have happened, like, that very moment. Oh, this is very momento. It’s a little fight club esque is what I’m thinking. I don’t hate it. You like that? I thought you were thinking the same thing. I was like, yeah, we’re on the same path. No, not at all. But I don’t hate that at all. That’s interesting. I think that it’s possible. How would they know that all this stuff is important to her? That’s, like, pretty personal. She’s like, yeah, that I went up to the mall and I stole something and then someone else stole it back and was like, don’t steal. And I was like, Wait, what? Subconscious? A lot of stuff that’s interesting there. I like it. I like it a lot, although the stalkers Emma, but either way, maybe Emma and Marina are the same person. Okay. One other unanswered question I had. They talked about this trip to Ibiza, where the whole group went, except for Miranda, who didn’t go, and Katie wouldn’t take any drugs in a pizza, but finally let loose, took drugs one night and had sex with someone. But the next day, none of the guys were sneezing or anything, so she didn’t really know who she had sex with because it was a dark run. Who did Katie have sex with? So was that people that were at this party? I couldn’t really tell everyone. Okay, everyone was there. But Miranda okay, that I didn’t really read between the lines because I’m only reading between different things. That changes my mind. I think that’s also why Katie, I think, has some weird shit going on. Where she’s? I don’t know. Maybe Prius is Katie’s baby. Oh, shit. She had sex with Samira, and they had a baby. That’s how it works, right? I think so. I don’t know. I didn’t take any classes. Or at least they weren’t that informative. Okay. I think it was Julian. I think she had sex with Julian. Okay. And is that what Mark is? Maybe inferring, too. And so, yeah, that could be what Mark is referring, that he knows something happened, or is he implying? Yeah, definitely. Okay. So I think it was Julian, hence why no one would talk about it, or Julian wouldn’t boast about it. But Mark might have seen them. In which case, like, your best friend hooking up with your now husband in a vacation spot that you weren’t at. Come on. What’s more scandalous than that? True. That’s a really good point. And then that would also lead to why Miranda might murder Katie. If Katie is the dead person or vice versa, got you? Yeah. You’re making a lot of sense. And you’re coming with my number one where I think it’s Katie or Miranda or vice versa. So we’re on board. That actually helps my point. Good point. Dan and Miranda’s bipolar. All right, before we get into some of the other tangential parts of this conversation, do you have anything else to say about the plot lines or the murderers, murderers type of stuff? I think we covered Doug’s dark past. I don’t know what he did, but I’m guessing he, like, lit a fire or something that end up getting Heather’s husband killed or something. I don’t know. There’s definitely going to be some shit that’s going to connect the dots because there’s no reason they would put those things together or they put those in the story. Unless there’s something going on there that’s going to make you think at the end of the book. Oh, they’re the killer. They’re the killer. But I think we’ll find out, but I think I’ll be interesting. Well, I guess we can take a break for our sponsors, but before that pop quiz, hot shot. Oh, shit. Pop quiz, hot shot. There’s a bomb on a bus speed. Great movie, by the way, just when they’re on the bus after the bus, it’s kind of not that great. Also a really gnarly death at the beginning, when the guy is going up the elevator shaft, I think about it every time I go in an elevator. Oh, really? Yeah. So this pop quiz is brought to you by the British slang Emporium. All right. This is a British novel. It’s full of little British tidbits that us Yankee folk might not be familiar with. So I have a few British words in here that I’d like to see. Oh, shit. It’s funny you bring this up. I literally have as my love of the book. Is that the British talking stuff? I love it. I really do. That’s the one reason why I’m mad. I’m not listening to it. Yeah, it’s so good. Love talk British to me. I hope some of the words intertwine here, but go on. We’re going to start easy, and we’ll work from there. I think I got, like, six. So see how quickly. Oh, I get you better. Doing a British accent. Pissed. Wait, are you doing a British accent? I don’t even know what that word means. No, I’m not. Are you saying to take the piss out of someone or are you saying, no, that’s a different thing. Okay. Pissed, I think, believes. I mean, someone’s drunk, like your correct. Someone’s drunk or back. I have no idea where it came from, and neither does the Internet. But being pissed means you’re drunk. Okay, during this podcast, Keith will get pissed. All right, number two, torch. I’ll use it in a sentence. Torch Beau, Julian and Emma using the torches provided by the Lodge to light. Oh, yeah. Flashlight. I think I would have got that even without the sentence. Now that’s got it. Okay, perfect. Yes. It’s flashlight in America. Torch everywhere. In, like all other American or English speaking countries. Sorry, is that confusing? If you like, have a torch also. So they call that Firestick? No, but there’s a word for shoot. I forget now because they call that like, a lit torch or something like that. I personally, I like torch. I need better than flashlight. It doesn’t even flash. Why do we call it a flashlight? I might start using torch to mean hot that chicks torch. I kind of like that. I kind of like that, too. Yes. You can have that one. Yeah. All right. I’ll take it. But I just think in general, we should say pass through the torch. It just makes more sense. I appreciate that. And you can kind of see how the word grew because obviously they’re using torches to light the way, and then eventually someone electrifies it. Here’s. The thing, though, is that if you use that and someone is American and hands, you literally a stick that’s on fire and you grab it. That might be a bad day for you. So that’s the only issue if you start using that without if I was on a camping trip and I asked someone to pass me the torch and they handed me wood out of the fire, I would be like, this is the coolest thing. And your hand would be on fire when you grab this on the wrong end. Okay, I wouldn’t do that. All right. Next one up a little harder. Lori. Oh, I don’t know what that is. Can you hear? In a sentence? I was driving down the highway. I looked left and saw a Lori driving by like a cab. No, Lori is a large truck. So in America, we call it like a set. Was it a Lori or is it a Lori? Laurie is the word. Oh, okay. So, yeah, it’s just what they use for a truck. Okay. Not like a pickup truck, but a truck that carries around. Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. Also, the Strangler, the Yorkshire Strangler in real life was a Lori driver, so ties it all together. Interesting. Okay, next one up. Wellies, I’ll use in the sentence. They came with proper gear making the coats and Hunter. Wellies, the other lot wore looks slightly ridiculous. I don’t know. Pants. I don’t know what wellies, are close Wellington boots or American as rubber boots or galoshes named after the Wellington. I feel like. So the Hunter boots. That all the chick wears. Dollar chicks wear. That’s what they’re wearing. So they even said they came with proper gear making the coats and Hunter. Wellies, so it’s those, like, rubber boots. Next one up, Piki and didn’t use in a sentence. And then Mark decided to make some comments about the place being overrun with pikas.
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Yeah, I was thinking pikey is using that often. I assume it just means like a Pikeman is like a front line soldier. That’s maybe lower class. A lower class person. I mean, great thought process, but, yeah, it’s a good one. It’s a pejorative slang term for the traveling community of Great Britain in Ireland. So think of Gypsies or Brad Pitt’s character in Snatch. Okay, so would probably use in screenshot. Hogan, I would assume. Oh, 100%. Yeah, they’d be like a bunch of fucking pikas. Yeah, that sounds like a derogative term. I didn’t know what it was, but. Yeah. So it’s a Gypsy, basically. Okay. It’s possible the word came from Turnpike, the common buyway for these folks, not pikemen at all. No. Or there’s an old English verb Pica, which means to steal, which could have been the source of the phrase. Okay, interesting. I got two more for you. One quick. Here’s a sentence. I remember our teenage years blagging our way into the nightclubs. Is that, like, convincing? I guess. I don’t know. Yeah, sure. It’s to do something by trick or deception. Okay, if you didn’t use any sense, I wouldn’t have got that at all. Yeah, I like that one, though. We’re blagging all the way in there. Yeah. Sounds like some sort of sexual thing, though. Yes, it really does. And then my last one, demon definitely blagged his way to get into nightclubs. Let me tell you what. No, I was in the nightclubs and I was blagging everyone. All right. The last one we have is 6th form. 6th form. Now, when my 6th form boyfriend dumped me rather unceremoniously. Oh, is that like, grad school? I know. They were talking about certain testing or, like, third. Yeah, not bad. 6th form would be equivalent to our 12th grade or senior. Okay, so it’s not that it’s kind of interesting, especially in Canada. I know Canada, just because my family is Canadian, that high school only goes to 11th grade, and then you take your first two years of University. Are your 12th and 13th year. Interesting. Yeah. And then you go on for, like, three more years. That’s College. Then you go on three more years at University or whatever the cases. So there we go. I think you did. Overall, you did pretty well. You did pretty well. Thank you. I had a couple more that weren’t obviously words. They were just. I loved hearing them say them in the book. So the one that was fancy. Do you fancy a drink or having a shag, which we love if someone said, you want to have a shack to rotten baby. Yeah. What I didn’t like very much was swimming costume. Oh, swimming costume is horrible. And I want to start dropping these in, just like regular day. Privacy is Privacy. Privacy. And then I hate this schedule is what they say. Yeah, I don’t like that. I don’t care for it. It makes sense of how you read it, but, yeah, it sounds weird. Definitely. So schedule, I guess I would say, taking the piss out of someone is. I like that a lot. Yeah. Also, if someone’s like making fun of you or something, like having a laugh, they use that as a thing. I like that as well. There’s a lot of British Idiosyncrasies, Idioms, whatever you want to call them, but they’re great. Okay. Thanks for giving me. Great. Thank you. That’s basically what I got in high school in College. So we’re right there. We love that. All right, let’s cast this fucking movie, baby. Is this a movie or is this a TV series? Yeah. I think a TV series would be better, actually, disagree. I think you can span it out, and you can almost do, like, a Lost element of it where each episode is one character’s story almost. And you can basically span it out. You know how Lost has, like how each episode kind of ties into that character background you could almost do. This episode is specifically about Doug, where Doug is leading the story for our narrative for the present tense. And then you’re also seeing his history during that episode. Yeah. You have to expand a lot more into people’s past. You need to really get into Doug’s past. You need to get into Heather’s past. You need, like, a whole episode on the whole stalker craze and their College years. But I think it fits better for a movie. Personally, I just think this is kind of like one of those quick give it 2 hours and flesh it out most. But either way, we have unlimited budget for this cast, so don’t feel like you’re hamstrung by budgeting here. All right. Especially because the set itself is going to be pretty cheap. You just got to go to the Scottish Highlands and rent out a lot. We’re good. It mostly takes place in four different rooms. So let’s go crazy with the cast. I’m going to start with Julian Miranda’s husband, and because this is British, I went with a British cast naturally. Okay. I did half British. I think we did the same thing last time. Yeah. So for Julian, I have Charlie Hannah, which is actually he was in Green Street Hooligans and is the main character in Sons of Anarchy plays Jacks, I think is the character’s name, but I think he’s good because these guys are rugby players. He’s great looking. He’s strapping, but he’s not going to be bigger than Mark, because I think that’s important. I think Mark has to be the biggest, but he’s just a good looking but also potentially nefarious person. Interesting. I actually had him as Mark because I basically was thinking of a real person. Yeah, that’s bigger. That’s hilarious. And he can have, like, a mean streak to him, right? That’s why I kind of felt like he’d be good for that. I switched my Mark and Julian characters. Wow. Good. Who did you know for Julian had an American actor. Ben Affleck. Don’t hate it at all. Oh, yeah. He can play that, like, kind of brooding, but like, good looking dude. So I think they’d be good for that. Okay. And then because first, as you said, Mark, for Mark, I had Henry Cavill, Superman, aka. Yeah. Do you think he could be? I guess he can be mean in the Witcher, but I feel like he’s too American sweetheart type guy. Yeah, I agree. But I think you could kind of gruff him up a bit. Yeah. Do you believe that that face came from got beat up as a kid type face? Where, like, fuck that kid up in dog track. Yeah, human or Huntman. I believe that is a guy that grew up at hard times. Whereas I don’t know if I believe it for the I think you push them back. I think this is a great role for Henry Cavill. He plays the pretty boy so often for him to have this. How you can tell him on this role? It’s like, hey, you’re going to have a little bit of a dark side in here. We’re going to cast the light down on you. So you got some shadows under your eyes. You’re going to have some shit going on, and he’ll be like, okay, I can fuck that. But Mark also has to still be hot. He’s still a desirable guy. And Henry Cavill is huge. Who else you got from this cast for Miranda? And first, I do want to bring up that the weird trope that I really don’t like. Maybe it’s just a society, but they always kind of do this in movies and things like that. Where the hot bitchy girl, right? Who Miranda is? Or, like, the hot, attention seeking girl? She always kind of runs the girl group, and she’s the most important person to everyone. But only people will talk bad about her behind her back. Where if it’s a guy and it’s the hot goodlooking guy that’s arrogant, like, the true friends will shit on him and bring him down to his level. Why does that now ever happen on the girl side? You know what I mean? Like, true friends. If you’re a good looking dude friend that goes out and does well with girls, you’re always making fun of him just because you need. I’ve always been a big proponent for women’s rights, so I get do you see what I’m saying? Like that? I do. I don’t care. This shakes the worst because she’s hot. It’s like, well, the friends should just say right to her face, like, stopping a bitch, and that would stop. That, right? I think that’s fair. But I also don’t think that’s necessarily how women operate. But all right, who do you got from? But, yeah, I just don’t leave a trip. Anyways. I had Blake Lively from have you seen a simple favor? She plays that like a perfect. She basically just runs the life of the girl from Pitch Perfect. I can’t pay her name, but she’s like, which could be Emma in this situation. Almost. Blake Lively. Not the pound. Blake Lively, but not at all. Yeah. Okay. Checking yourself. Hey, listeners out there, you can check in. Keep. Got it. I had Siena Miller for Miranda. She plays Bradley Cooper’s, love interest in both American Sniper and Burnt. She’s beautiful. She’s blonde. She’s a great actress. She could be too faced. I feel like which is important for this role. So that’s why I from her end. No, that’s good. Go on. Who else you got for Emma? I had Kira Knightley. I feel like, kind of miniature, kind of reserved. But also, I could just see her being the cooking. I had Felicity Jones. Okay. Rogue One. Oh, I was actually thinking of putting her there also. Yeah, I was very close to doing that because I think she can almost be too powerful from Rogue One. So I was like, yeah, I want to do some of this a little bit. Okay, well, if you saw a Theory of Everything, the Stephen Hawking movie. Well, she’s great in there. Kind of like the Meek wife. Not necessarily Meek because she has a lot of power in that movie, but I think she definitely hold this role. Did you have any other women? Yeah. For Katie. I had Daisy Ridley because I love her. But also, I think she could play, like, the mysterious Brown eyes. Okay, the only person I had for her was a potential. I wasn’t really in love with this, though, but the chick who plays Daenerys Targaryen. What’s that actress’s name? Amelia Clarke. Yeah. Amelia Clarke checks out for me. Okay, so I’m going to get into the guys here. Giles, right? He’s your goofy, fun loving, slightly bald guy. I didn’t have someone praying, but go on. Simon Peg. Simon Peg. It plays itself. Okay. Yeah, that’s exactly what I was saying. I didn’t know if I knew who he was, and I was like, I think it’s that one British that plays in all the comedies. And truthfully, Simon Peg could write this movie so he could be actor and writer, maybe even director. I don’t know, but he’s shown that he can do all the above so I could see him there. Okay. You didn’t have one for him. Let’s get into Doug. What do you think about Doug? Well, I already told you this, and I told you this was the best pickup I’ve ever had. Tom Hardy behind those beautiful, gorgeous eyes. You don’t know what’s back there. And that’s exactly the kind of person I was thinking. So I had two options. My first one was Michael Fastbender. Yes, good one. I liked that. I had that originally, and I went to Tom Hardy because it’s way better. But no, I’m going to. Michael Fastbender played Macbeth in Macbeth, which is a Scottish movie, so he could definitely do that. But he wasn’t my favorite. My favorite was a young Vinny Jones. So Vinny Jones is the guy from Snatch. He’s in all those movies. Why can’t the director just slip my head guy in 60 seconds? Are you serious? Come on. I haven’t seen that in a while. Actually. Get out. Yeah. Vinny Jones seems perfect for that role. Like, longer version of him. He’s kind of a caricature. I bet this guy is going to be a little bit darker than that at the end of this, but yeah, I see what you’re saying. And then who else do we have here? I think that’s kind of my list. Did you have one for Heather? I didn’t have one for Heather. Okay, I had Rooney Mara. Do you like Rooney Mara? I mean, come on. She’s the heiress to the Rooney Fortune. Yeah, the candy bar fortune, all their grandparents own NFL franchises, stealers and the Giants. That’s funny. I know that I was laughing at my terrible joke, but go on. Okay. The last person I had was the Icelandic guy. Oh, here we go. He’s going to be the bad guy from Die Hard, the original movie, the blonde guy. That’s a really rare one, but I like it. He got the ponytail, and obviously he needs to be at the diehard age. But that guy so fucking perfect. I was thinking, like, SNL characters playing European. That’s what I was thinking, like beer Fest when they play like, the German characters. That’s what I’m thinking of for those people, grandpa. Yeah, alright. I think we got a pretty good cast here before we get out of here. Katie not being invited to parties in high school. This was a big problem for me. She’s a woman. She’s in high school. I was in high school. If a girl is going to come to your party, that’s a good thing. It’s as simple as that. You know what I mean? It doesn’t matter who it is. Plus, she has friends. So she’ll bring her friends. She was like, oh, I always had to wait for Miranda to invite me to the parties, or I had to go with Miranda because no one else would invite me. It’s like, no, you’re a group. Everyone is inviting everyone else. Just inviting all the chicks for sure. So maybe they reached out to Miranda, but they were like, hey, you bring in any friends, right? Yeah. Bringing cases in high school. Yeah. Dude, guys want chicks at parties. It doesn’t matter if you have a more social buddy. He’ll invite you to things because they’ll expect that same thing with girls. I do think friends. Yeah. And I think that’s a good point. I think it is kind of fair, I guess, though, to never be the one being called, but to know that you’re invited because they are. But that’s kind of like how I was in high school. My good buddy was just like, a friendlier person. So people call him be like, hey, are you guys coming over and be like, yeah. And they’d be like, all right, cool. I guess it could be how Miranda worded it or just Katie’s interpretation of it. Oh, Miranda was inviting. I wasn’t. It was like, no, they just called Miranda and Miranda’s bipolar, so you don’t know what’s going on through her head. Maybe they called her alterigo. Yeah, she just forgot to say, yeah, I agree. All right. Well, we love our listeners, and we appreciate them reaching out with any sort of questions, comments and concerns. So what have we got this week? You got mail? Yeah. We got Betsy from Texas. Sounds like a real person to me. Betsy. Betsy. Betsy. Betsy from Texas. She wrote in Hi D Man and Keith of the Pod long time listener. First time emailer. This sounds like a good start. You guys sound really attractive. Is what she said. Woah, but I digress. Sorry, I’m taking what’s up with these British fucks wearing PJs to go to bed? Does anyone actually do that? And that’s a great question. Pj sets. I believe Katie or no, maybe Emma was wearing a PJ set. Do you know anyone that does this? Is this a thing? Is that real? I know it’s on TV and movies, but have you ever seen any wear PJ set? Great question, Betsy. Thank you, Betsy. Again, I appreciate listening. I’ll hang up and listen. They did also mention it with Miranda. When Julian was coming into bed. She was like, don’t put your pajamas on like, let’s fuck. Oh, right. Yes. I also found it to be odd, but I do think. I mean, I watched a lot of Disney movies as a kid. And the idea of someone wearing PJs full on pajamas, like pants, long sleeve shirt and nightcap was like a real fucking thing in my mind, and I never understood it. My mom is a huge fan of these. She wears really. To this day. She wears the she doesn’t get up and put them on. No, she’s about to go to sleep and puts them on. Yes. Pajamas, really? Pants and like, a button down shirt. Yeah. And she buys these things for me for Christmas. What a reveal. And I’m like, Mom, I’m personally a boxer sleeper TMI. But that’s how I go. And by boxers, I mean, boxer briefs, of course. Yeah, but I don’t know. Maybe it’s a little bit of my Catholic shame that I don’t like to be penis out all the time, but it’ll be in the nude. It’s boxer in the nude. Yeah. In the nude. That’s the only other option. The point of having covers on your bed is to do the role of whatever this long sleeve. This isn’t turn of the century with oil lamps and no heat. Plus they tug all around you. I do think it is a British thing, though. Okay. I used to be a T shirt sleepwear, and I used to like it a lot. I used to become and then you kind of graduate and you wear it not one time, and you’re like, oh, wow. This is a life change. I feel like if you’ve ever slept without it one time, then you’re like, I’m never going back to a full set of PJs. Also, like, the best part of my day is just fucking taking shit off and getting into bed. Imagine taking shit off and being like, Well, now I got a button on my fucking PJ set. That’s the worst thing ever to play Devil’s advocate here. I think the opposite is true, though, because when I get out of bed in the morning, I’m like, oh, my God, I need to get clothes on because it’s so cold, and then you put cold clothes on and it just gets you so you don’t want to get out of bed. But if you’re wearing, like, a full set of PJs, then you get out of bed and you’re ready to go. You still need to change them. What are you going to wear those? Okay. Work from home. It’s coveted, baby. Yeah. All right. If that’s your answer, the reason is because they’re about to work from home and wear this the rest of the day. All right, fair enough. But we do all own a pair of PJ pants. We just wear them in bed. I wear them sometimes when it’s freezing, but, yeah, I don’t match them with the top. The top is really the weird part. Yeah, that’s really what it is. And they’re always button downs. Yeah, they’re like a button down. I’d wake up. Yeah, you’re hitting rubbing into your stomach or some shit and just like, indenting, oh, my God. That’s horrible. Great question. I didn’t think we’d go this long on it, but it obviously struck a course, but I will be researching if this is a British thing or not. Are you liking this book so far? Yeah, I like it again. I think if it ended right now, then I probably wouldn’t, but I think it’s setting the table. It’s setting you up. It’s giving you a lot to think about, and that enticing me. And I’m not ever at a point where I’m like, this is getting boring. I need to turn this off, even when they’re talking about Rambling stuff and not necessarily to the core of the story. I’m still kind of engaged and being like, how is this going to impact the story later on? I know you had some trepidation as with that, but I think as you get to the ending, if there’s a big full circle reveal, you’ll like it. This is my favorite type of movies, too, like ones that everything builds up to one crescendo. Right. So I like it. So what are your thoughts? Yes. I think that’s very fair. And I think it’s hard to say with a book like this where we’re stopping halfway through, because the whole point is for the last 50 pages to be page Turners like, you can’t stop. You know, it’s kind of like when you read and I had to bring up Harry Potter because I have to every single episode. But it’s like when you read Prisoner of as Caban and the last 50 pages of that book you just could not put down. I don’t care. Whatever I was doing, I’m finishing. You don’t even know you’re reading at that point. You’re literally in the book like you forget your reading word. Exactly. That’s the best feeling in the world. I’m eating easymack. And I’m reading that book non stop, and I’m just immersed in it. Well said. Exactly. So it’s hard with this book, but with that being said, I just think there’s, like, a little too much build up continues to be like, whiny characters about. Yeah. And it’s like I’m 150 pages in a halfway through the book and nothing has changed. So I think we have reached a tipping point here. So I think it’s going to be interesting going forward, and I’m excited to get into it. But I guess the more we’ve talked about this over the last hour has definitely got me excited to finish reading or continuing to read it tonight, but I’m not in love with it. Okay. But at the same time, I don’t have many mysteries to kind of compare it to, which we’ll get into next week. I want to hear about other ones that you like in this route or movies. Whatever. Okay. That was pretty good. Next week, we’re going to be discussing the second half of the book. Until then, please subscribe rate. Review us on itunes and follow along with us on Twitter at Buddy Book Club. 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