Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – J.K. Rowling – Episode 112

 

The Buddies close out J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter series with book 7: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. It was a sad episode for the Buddies as they finished the last chapter in their favorite book series, and got to talking about: Snape the “good guy”, Unforgivable Curses basically being magical jaywalking, and “kids” fairytales. Per usual, the Buddies got into some conspiracy theories that would make Xenophilius Lovegood look like a mainstream journalist. So grab your wands, brooms, and Deathly Hallows, for the last time and join us on our Harry Potter nostalgic farewell tour.

Intro (0:00-1:19)
Stock Up/Down (1:20-38:33)
Favorite Scene/Character/Magical Elements (38:34-51:40)
Love/Hate (51:41-1:04:05)
Lingering Questions (1:04:06-1:10:17)
Conclusion (1:10:18-1:16:53)

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Alright, welcome to Book Club. I’m Dylan here with the 4th Peverell Brother. He’s asked death for a magical Swedish made penis enlarger pump. Why? You do the math, Keith.

What’s up, buddy? Not something that’s not my bag, baby. One book. Here at the Buddy Book Club, we’re reading out some bestsellers. And this week, we’re entering the hallowed world of Harry Potter and and chatting about Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows by JK Rowling.

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Once again, disclaimer for the Harry Potter series. There are spoilers for this book and past books, But at this point, I feel like you should know. Unfortunately, there’s no future books for us to read. There’s The Cursed Child, which I have read. Have you ever read The Cursed Child?

No. I’ve heard negative. Not canon. Not anytime they just start doing time turner stuff, and it’s like, oh, I turned back time, Voldemort’s back. It’s like, woah.

Hold on. Hold on a second. So let’s get into some stock up, stock down. Keith, what do you got stock up for Deathly Hallows? Stock up, Snape is actually evil.

I kept on waiting. I kept on this is like your, Ginny’s a terrible actress Yeah. Thing where I kept on being like I’m waiting for that to happen. I kept on waiting for Snape where I was like I guess I always remember Snape being a good guy at the end. Yeah.

But I’m kept on waiting for it. It never comes. Doesn’t come at all. So let me give you a run through a couple of things here. 1st, Snape stares into Harry’s eyes and he’s like, look at me, right, before he dies.

Yeah. Why? Sure. So you may argue that, you know, he wants to see Lily’s eyes one more time or something romantic or whatever like that. Climax.

Or Jesus. Or maybe he’s putting a memory charm on Harry. You know? He’s doing a little little memory charm. I mean, it seemed like something was going on there.

If his his eyes were so great, then wouldn’t he actually like Harry and, like, looking at him and, you know, all these things in the past? It it seems like why would I don’t know. 2, memories can be altered, d man. Obliviate. We know this.

Right? Mhmm. Well, obliviate and we know from the last book where Slughorn alters memories. Yeah. Who says this guy who is an incredible wizard in terms of, like, memory stuff and the mind can’t change memories and and give them to Harry and put them in a flask and say, oh, yeah.

This is exactly what happened. Nice to just rewrite your story. Right? That’s an interesting point because if in, like, the wizarding court of law, memories shouldn’t be able to count. Right?

Because if you can alter them Yeah. It’s like circumstantial evidence. It’s not actual evidence. Oh, oh, so you’re saying he just altered the memories that he gave Yeah. To Harry about his conversations with Dumbledore.

Right. Yeah. You’re about to die. You’re like, well, people are gonna think I’m shitty. So here we go.

I’m just gonna tell Harry I’m the best guy and the hero of this story. I did I did all the great things. Number 3 is just and then most important thing is I’m not really big on talk. Everyone can talk big. Everyone can say I’m this, I’m that.

What has he actually done? What action? What has he done? What action has he ever done that actually shows that he’s a good person? We’re here talking about a book and, you know, you’re not No.

Well, you know what I’m saying. I I if I if I were telling you I’m the most charitable person ever, I’m super charitable. All I do is charity. Yeah. Okay.

But you don’t donate as anonymous. So no one does. Yeah. Well, obviously no. But you know what I’m saying?

Like, then I had to go and do it. Otherwise, it doesn’t mean it’s just talk. It doesn’t mean anything. Okay. What is he doing that actually is showing that he’s a good person?

I appreciate this hot take, but we know It’s not a hot take. I think it’s a very rational take. It’s a rash it’s a normal take. We know his Patronus is the doe and he let I’ll tell you what what is, his brother’s Patronus, Albus Dumbledore’s brother’s Patronus? A goat because he’s a goat fucker.

They’re they’re similar to to doe’s, but okay. Go on. Sure. So we know that he put the sword of Gryffindor at the bottom of the lake so that Ron could get it. Well, spin zone, Harry has he has the the thing around his neck.

He’d love those? He knows that yeah. He wants that to be hidden from the world. He puts a a desirable object at the bottom of the ocean so that that will go kill him and he’ll hide it. Right?

Like, he could’ve made it easy. What was the point of making it a hard time? Well, it has to be because, for a Gryffindor to take the sword, he has to do it in, like, a brave or courageous manner or something like that. So Ron needed to do it to, like, save Harry or whatever the case is. That’s the only way he could get the sword.

Interesting. Fucking read a book for me one time. I mean, it seems like one action doesn’t really, you know Yeah. There’s a lot of shittiness. It could’ve made it easier.

I mean, that’s all I’m saying. Definitely, like, not enough to name your child after him and then say he was the bravest man. If Ron isn’t there, Harry just dies. He doesn’t save him. Snape didn’t save him.

The story ends. Right? Yeah. So what was the what was the I mean, what’s a good act there? I don’t get it.

It’s not like Snape dove in and pulled him out, and he’s like, I don’t know who pulled me out of the water, you know? Yeah. That would have been the one, really. Yeah. My first stock up is Do you agree with me?

I did you didn’t have an answer to that. You gave me one thing. I just you did. You didn’t even agree with me? You’re just like, yeah.

Alright. You’re right. Alright. Fair enough. It’s a super hot take.

And that’s a It’s not a hot take. I I I think this is resolved. What has he done? That’s a nice gesture. You can just talk about game, but no.

He doesn’t do shit. He also, like, kept the Caros off all the students while Did he? At Hogwarts. Yeah. Neville had a black eye.

That was about it. It’s not like kids were getting murdered. It’s probably safer than normal. He didn’t secretly help students. He’s not doing anything that’s, like, behind the back of people.

He he’s made Hogwarts significantly, significantly worse. He’s made other people’s lives significantly, slightly worse. He killed Dumbledore. He could’ve if the the by the same logic that his hands are already dirty so he’s willing to kill Dumbledore, then just kill Voldemort. The the whole thing’s over.

He’s standing next to him. Just kill him. The whole the horcruxes. But he’s dead. Then they have no one chasing them as they go find the horcruxes.

Why would you want a person to be alive that’s, joint hunting? That was more of a lingering question for me is why do you have to kill Dumbledore or kill Voldemort last? Couldn’t you kill the rest of his horcruxes? It takes 13 years to to find, you know, or 12 years for it to come back or whatever. So But his soul might be, like, a piece of him just floating out there.

Yeah. I don’t know. My first stock up, this one’s for you, Keith, is the Eris tour. Is this something you’re familiar with? I am familiar.

Yeah. I’m good. I’m I’m not familiar, but I’m just guessing here. It’s a Taylor Swift thing, the Eris tour. It’s, like, she goes and she plays all of her music from all of her heiress.

Is that the is that the Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s kind of like a a greatest hits tour in a way, which when you’re there, like, if you have the ability to do that, it’s great. And that’s a stock up for me as it relates to this book because in Deathly Hallows, I loved all of the callbacks to things and events from previous books.

It was like a greatest hits tour or like that 100th episode of Seinfeld where they go through all of the greatest hits except that episode sucks, and this was this was good. This was well done. Because why that episode sucks is they just say, here’s all funny jokes that don’t make any sense in the for the context of this episode, whereas Deathly Hallows, they would reference back to things that happened in book 1 or creatures they had run into or blasted its scoots, all different stuff, but it it wove so neatly into the story that was being told that it never felt like they were giving us our greatest hits. It was just like, oh, yeah. I remember that.

I remember that. And, knowing that this is the culmination of the story, it was great to kind of pull back from those memories and realize the journey that we’ve all been on with Harry and company. So it felt like going to the Harry Potter era store, and and I was all for it. I mean, I was so immersed in it. I guess, do you have some examples?

I’m trying to think of, like, what, I guess, ones that you were, like, that they called back to. Because I feel like when you’re in this world, it’s not a callback. It’s just part of your life. Yeah. I guess that that’s a good point.

But it was stuff that happened in other books. I mean, whether it be people or stuff about, you know, the Chamber of Secrets, the basilisk, and then Quirrell got referenced. Albania got referenced. Oh, that time that they tried to kill a hippogriff just like they throw random stuff out there, but we know what they’re talking about because it’s like, oh, yeah. That was from this book.

I remember when that happened. So, yeah. I I enjoyed it. It’s really hard to to close a series, but this did about as good of a job as you possibly can with tying everything, all the loose ends up, closing the series out. Yeah.

It catered to the to the super fans, and and I appreciate that. It didn’t leave us hanging whatsoever. What else do you have for stock up? Pretending to be nice and care about charity, stock up. Oh.

Ron gifts Harry 12 fail safe ways to charm, which is explains that it’s, everything you need to know about girls. Yeah. I get that the book, it really is just basically saying listen and respond to girls, like that’s what the the book is. Uh-huh. And it makes it sound a little bit more nefarious obviously.

But based on Ron’s attitude throughout the first six books, he’s kind of a dick. So and the person that Hermione really liked or fell in love with is that person. So I don’t really understand why he needs to fake this whole nice attitude. But on the counter thing that is that you do see that it works. It turns out that the only time he gets a snogger in the whole book, which you think this has been a long time coming.

And do you think there’d be a little bit of a better payoff here with, like, something that happens that that they snog for the first time? But it’s when he says, oh, we should, like, protect the house elves. Like, he actually cares about house elves. So the first time in, you know, 7 years, he actually says one nice thing about the house sells, and she makes out with him. Mhmm.

So I guess the book works and pretending you care about charities and just fake being nice is something that you should do, and so, stock up to that. One last thing though on this is that Harry, after he gets the book, he goes, like, downstairs and, he’s with missus Weasley and he, like, pays her a compliment just because Harry’s a actually genuine nice guy. Mhmm. And Ron gives him, like, a wink and a nudge being, like, oh, you must be reading the book, which does that just mean that Ron wants Harry to fuck his mom? Like, what’s what’s going on?

I didn’t I I was like, wait. What in that book forgetting with girls? What is this? Yeah. I think it’s it’s levels.

You know? It’s about, schmoozing, and then also the next level would be snogging, and then the next level would be fornication. So Okay. Yeah. I think that the schmoozing.

They’re they’re rules that apply to everything. I mean, I’m sure they apply to this same sex as well. It’s also it’s like those men’s health magazines or whatever that, you know, my dad used to have men’s health, and I’d use it when I went to the restroom. I’d read it and be like, how to get chicks or all this stuff, and and it’s all the same stuff. It’s like look into the house.

Listen. Beautiful. Attractive. Skip to page 36 where we give you the ab workout. Do that.

No. It’s all, you know, it’s all the same stuff. It’s, you know, listen, basically. Listen, respond, be interested, and that’s all it says, which is just stuff that people should be interested. Yeah.

Like George Costanza. I watched that episode recently. Good stuff. My next stock up and because it is this week, I’m gonna have to say it, but it’s Thanksgiving is stock up for me, and it does relate to this book. Because at least for me personally, you can give me your take, but Thanksgiving is the number one holiday day as an adult.

You know, when you’re a kid, obviously, Christmas is super cool because you get an n 64 or something that, like, blows your gourd and Mhmm. You’re happier than you’ve ever been. But, I mean, even this year, you know, I don’t wanna buy any. Now I have to buy the gifts too. You know?

It’s not just like my dad taking me to the store being like, I’ll pick out something, you know, for your stepmom or my mom saying, here, take $20 and buy me something when you’re a kid. It’s like, oh, okay. Cool. So I gotta do all this stuff. So thanksgiving’s the best because it’s just being around the people you love.

It’s good food. There’s football. You know what’s gonna happen every single year. Every single year, I know what’s going to be on the table. I know I’m going to lose a lot of money gambling on football.

I know I’m going to continue to try to drink until I get drunk, but know that it’s impossible because I’ve eaten so much food and then I’m going to fall asleep. Yep. So even though I know what’s happening, I know I’m going to love it every single year. And that is how I looked at not only this Harry Potter book, but just us doing this Harry Potter journey all over again, it was a lot of books. We started this in June.

You know what I mean? It’s November, all these books and all the movies, and it had been a while since I had done that full rewatch and reread. And I know exactly what I was in for. And it paid off over and over and over again. I loved the whole experience.

I forgot a lot about 7, I feel like, because this is the book that I’ve read the least, out of all of them because usually, you’re gonna start from the one and go. It tied like I said before, it tied all those other books back. It tied up all the loose ends with the story. I really loved how much time we get to spend with Harry, Ron, and Hermione just together even though Ron kinda dipped out of there for a bit. But the whole horcrux hunting, hallows hunting situation.

It was almost like like a mission impossible movie or something like that kind of thing going on. You know? There was this this, like, action movie thing that was happening in the Harry Potter world while it was also Plus, like, treasure hunting, which I love. Like, National Treasure. Exactly.

Yeah. Heist movies. I love that too. Because there’s a bank heist in the middle of this. I got that coming up too.

Yeah. So I forgot how much I love this. And even though I knew it was coming, it was one of those surprises. Like, when I actually win one bet on on Thanksgiving, and it was a nice surprise. Or the the turkey just comes out perfecto.

So yeah. How do you feel about Thanksgiving? Top top or top 2? Well, I think there’s an analogy in this is that when you read this book for the first time, you get something different out of it. And when you get older, you get something different out of it.

That’s similar to my favorite holidays too. It’s Christmas, obviously, when you’re younger. College, I think Halloween. And then 4th July post college, I feel like was my favorite. Oh.

Now it’s starting to become Thanksgiving time. I like the comparison. And then you, also, like, after Thanksgiving night, you had an end and you’re very satisfying. You you you you you’re gonna miss it. You wait wait Oh.

You know, until the next time you do it. Oh, yeah. I’m really You know, I’m really gonna miss it. Really gonna miss it. I’m glad we still have the movies even though we’re not a huge fan of the movie series in general, but I’m glad we have them just because I feel like I don’t have to fully close out my Harry Potter stuff.

Because when I finished reading this, in my mind, as I’m getting towards that end of the book, I was like, holy smokes. It’s gonna be, is the next time I read this gonna be when I’m reading it to my daughter in, like, 8 years? Yeah. You know? I didn’t know when I would kinda go back and do it, where Caroline, she legitimately is reading Harry Potter book every day.

Somehow, she’s like, oh, I’m gonna go to bed. I’m gonna put on Harry Potter book 3. I’m like, okay. Cool. Go for you.

It’s like Seinfeld or I appreciate that. They’re both. They’re legitimately, it’s either Seinfeld or Harry Potter in here these days. What is great is I have already forgotten, like, half the even though the 7th one, there was so much that happened. I’m like I was, like, trying to recall what happened, like, after reading it.

So it is great that it’s so much that you can probably go back in a couple years and not remember most of it. I can remember the first time I read this book. I tried to read it as fast as possible so I would miss stuff. Like, my goal was to miss stuff because I wanted to then start to get into it. I just read it so quickly.

I must have missed stuff. I’m such a fast reader. Yeah. What else do you have for stock up? Last one, and it’s a quick one.

Just Unforgivable Curses stock up early or in put forth. Begin to choose to them, and they’re like these frowned upon things. We’re just throwing them out whimsy andimsy in this book. They’re just oh, yeah. Yeah.

Obviously, I’m gonna use Imperio on these 5 5 people in Gringotts. Not a big deal. I mean, also, I thought you had to, like, practice and hone these. I think it’s, like, the hardest spells ever. You You’re talking about, like, casting Patronus is impossible.

I thought, like, you know, the dark spells are impossible, but it’s just no. Easy day. And then he pulls out a Crucio, I think, right in front of McGonagall. Right? I mean, that was deserved as, I appreciated that.

I was pretty pumped about the that. But at the same time, you think McGahn will be like, oh my god. I can’t believe you did that curse. He was just like, well It’s unforgivable. I was it was one of my stock it was one of my stock downs actually was was was branding because it’s brand they’re branded as unforgivable curses.

I don’t know who the person that you’re looking for forgiveness is, but everyone is not forgiven. Because, like you said, Harry pulls out the Curcio on the Caro sister in front of McGonagall, and she’s giving him a slow clap for it. Molly Weasley, presumably Avada or excuse me, abracadabra’s Bellatrix Lestrange because she kills her. So I don’t know how else I mean, obviously, there’s lots of spells that could kill people, but it’s not like she’s, you know, Septum Sempering her. So she did that.

And like you said, they’re piercing everyone left and right. So, yeah, I don’t know whose forgiveness we’re looking for with these being unforgivable because everyone’s using them. It’s Yeah. Maybe they’re they’re serving jail sentences after those, maybe. Yeah.

I I didn’t I didn’t understand that at all. And it’s a great point that you make too with, the amount of chapters that we spend on Harry learning his Patronus charm, and then for just easily just crucios, imperios, abracadabras getting thrown left and right. It’s like, what? It’d be like they they just created a a gun that no safety, you know, hairpin trigger. You just can anyone can fire it, it, and they’re marketing it.

Like, it’s like a Stretch Armstrong, marketing on Saturday morning cartoons to kids or something like that. Anyone can just go around and abracadabra people. So, yeah, I I had I had that as well. I know I noticed that. I like it.

Like that one. Do do you remember the unforgivable video on YouTube? Yeah. Of course. Well, for free That’s that was marketed yeah.

That was marketed well, so maybe that’s why they they did it. Who is forgive who are they looking forgiveness from? I don’t care. I don’t know. Well, I got 2 more stock ups.

One’s pretty quick, but, stock up audiobooks, and this has been a stock up left and right for us on this podcast because we like to listen to these and many of the books we do. The the best part about audiobooks for me, and and this has been, you know, discussed, so I’m not gonna go into it. But, you know, you can listen to them anywhere. It’s as it’s as simple as that. You know, whether you’re folding laundry or taking the dog for a walk, basically, all the raking leaves in the yard, all all the mundane stuff that you, like, kinda sucks.

I mean, some of that stuff’s not not too shabby. But it just gets better when you have a good audiobook in your ears. But especially for this book, I listened a lot while I was making dinner, and it was really important because any time I felt it coming on, go into the cupboard, grab an onion, start cutting it. Easy excuse. Easy excuse.

Caroline comes in. She’s like, are you are you crying? I was like, oh, I sorry. I just started cutting onion. The Weasley twin down, cutting onions.

Percy comes back into the fold, and everyone hugs it out. Oh, cut cutting onions. No big deal. Little little always from from Severus Snape, cutting onions. So Dobby, oh my god.

Don’t even get me started. I I had to go through a whole batch. I was like, French onion soup tonight. It’s French onion soup tonight. I’m cutting £5 of onions.

So so, yeah, audiobooks stock up because they they help you get the cover up. If I was just sitting on the couch reading this book and crying, I’m not a big, male masculinity thing, but at the same time, I don’t wanna be reading a Harry Potter book at the age of 37 crying on a couch right now. You know? It’s not the greatest of looks. So so appreciate the idea.

Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with it. I told you. I was on an airplane the whole time. You know?

Like, it gets you get emotional for some no reason. You know? That’s what I was having to miss. So yeah. We’re all the same page.

Yeah. And then my, my last stock up was conspiracy theories stock up, and this relates to Xenophilius Lovegood and and the hallows story. You know, he’s telling them, you know, he’s got all those pendants on. He’s telling them this hallows story, and Hermione is just all like, Oh my god, you fucking idiot. No way this can be true.

This is absurd. Hermione, you live in a magical world with ghosts, ghouls, giants, a sorcerer’s stone, blasted scoots. Like, why is this so unfounded? Like, you know, why is it so unbelievable? I I do get that Hermione is quite a literal person, and I think they do a good job framing it to make it believable.

But at the same time, you should never say I don’t think so about anything in this world. Mhmm. Agreed. Because all of it is right in front of us. Like, there are the Hogwarts itself is crazy magical stuff going on.

You’ve you’ve been there. You’ve seen this throughout the years. There are these Dementor things that suck souls out of your face. I I think the, you know, the idea that someone could negotiate with death is is a decent potential. This is all conspiracy theory, the whole house thing, and it turns out to be true.

So conspiracy theory stock up just like UFOs. Check their releases. I mean, mine was kids fairy tales stuck down. The first half of it is the same exact reason. Mhmm.

There’s magic. There’s dragons. What’s the make believe part of, you know, how do you tell a fairy tale of, like, you know Good point. I was gonna say, compare it to be, like, telling you, like, a fairy tale to someone being, like, and then there’s metal, you know, cylinders that fly in the sky, and then they land at an airport, and I’m being, like, oh my god. I can’t believe that’s crazy.

And they’re like, no, that actually happens already. So it’s not really that that nuts. But Yeah. It’s a fairy tale and I’m hoping that, when you’re you’re start reading fairy tales to, your your newborn here, that you’re maybe not telling the ones that they tell in the wizarding world. They’re they’re just kinda like talking about the fairy tale and it’s like, oh, yeah.

And so, like, it’s a kid’s tale. Everyone knows it growing up and it’s like, you know, it’s super childish. Like what happens? Like, oh, they talk to death and, they get 3 things and, 2 of the brothers, they both die. One of them is haunted by dead people walking around and basically, it’s so inflicted by that and they they off themselves.

They kill themselves. Kids book. Kids story. Yeah. And then, the other one, gets stabbed in the back at night while they’re trying to sleep.

So good night. Yeah. Dog’s bed bugs night. Oh. Yeah.

Yeah. They’re Like, is it kid’s story? They’re, like, the original Hansel and Gretel type, like, the brothers Grimm fairy tales that are actually, like, much darker. I guess those are dark too. Yeah.

That’s a good point. Even Goldilocks and stuff like that about Where are in Little Red Riding Hood. Burn in your mouth on oatmeal or on what’s called? Yeah. That is bread cradles.

Porridge. Yeah. Porridge. Yeah. Witch’s oatmeal.

Yeah. Sure. And I meant, little red riding hood. But but, yeah, the the original ones are messed up. Like, Hansel and Gretel is really messed up from what I can from what I remember about the actual original story.

So, my first stock down is the idea that Voldemort is one of the most dangerous wizards in history. Stock hard down on that. So I’m not even gonna mention that he’s been blundered by a child legitimately 6 years in a row. Every single time they go up against each other, he loses. He’s like Jim Harbaugh against John Harbaugh.

Nice. Yeah. Thanks. Pertinent. So when the battle for Hogwarts, he’s got Dementors.

He’s got Giants. He’s got werewolves. He’s got Inferry all on his side, and yet he still can’t beat a handful of kids at a school, like a handful of kids and a couple of teachers. He’s like he’s like the cartel goons in the movie toy soldiers. Did you see that movie?

Please help me out. Toy soldiers? Yes. Sean Astin. It’s like the drug cartel goes to take over the school and all the kids get him.

Harry Potter is like Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone in all of this, and he’s this the sticky bandits or the wet bandits, whichever, you know, 1 or 2 you wanna choose. But either way, Voldemort is not the most dangerous wizard in history. And then on top of that, what we learn in this book, you know, we we have to talk about the horcruxes, obviously. You know, as as someone trying not to die, one would assume that these horcruxes are of the utmost importance to Voldemort, and and Dumbledore alludes to much. And we obviously know at the end when Voldemort puts Nagini in his protective little cocoon there, that he agrees.

But outside of The Locket, which was in a very complicated, magical sit situation and, like, extremely hard to obtain, which makes sense. That’s what you would do for Harrokards. Right? You would put it in this faraway place, so it’s in a cave on a on a lake when then there’s all this magical stuff going on for you to get there. That makes a lot of sense.

But outside of that, we got the gauntlet ring. It’s just the gauntlet ring is just lying around in a broken down shack. It’s legitimately just sitting there. Anyone could go by and and pick it up. Voldemort just relying on the idea that no one will know his lineage, so they won’t be able to do that even though people know that he’s the heir of Slytherin, so you could kind of try to trace Salazar.

You know, you could do a double loaded, but just to have the he goes to the gaunt house, goes to the rubble, and just puts the ring down in there, and he’s like, that one’s good. Piece of my soul. Real good. No problem. The Rave and Claw Diadette, just sitting there in the room of requirements, specifically in the place where people go to hide things, Voldemort says himself he thinks he’s the only one to have found the room of requirements.

How is that possible? Yeah. It’s like Christmas. There’s shit everywhere. It’s like walking into a a I get to all of his stuff.

It’s like walking into a hoarder house and being like, oh, no one’s lived here before. It just doesn’t make any sense. Even and so the Hogwarts has been around for 100 of years, so the idea that he would walk into that room, and it would be empty is almost impossible. Right? Yeah.

Yeah. So let’s just say let’s just say that, okay, that is what happened. He walked in, he walked by the room, he said, I need a place to hide something, and an empty room showed up. That’s what you’re going with to hide a piece of your soul? Like no one else would walk around and just say, Oh, I need a place to hide something?

It makes no sense that that would be the smart thing to do. So I’m not gonna talk about the the Hufflepuff cup because hot green gets whatever. Fine. I don’t care. But the rest of it, it seems so strange.

Was pretty rugged. That was a tough one. Yeah. That’s a tough one. That’s a tough one.

But at the same time, all he did was hand it to Bellatrix and say, Put this in your safe because Gregor’s already has all that stuff together, which he didn’t do it himself. He has to just trust that Bellatrix is doing it. They’re still not necessarily the most important. And I mean even the diary, he just gives it to Lucius Malfoy and doesn’t tell Malfoy it’s a whole like, Malfoy could have brought that down to the local library and donated it, which actually would have been the safest move. Now it’s in circulation.

No one’s ever gonna figure that one out. So, yeah. Voldemort, not not a top 10 not a top 10 bad guy in the history of the wizarding world. Oh, yeah. He’s just too arrogant, and then really it comes down to it.

He’s just never about that life. Not not ever. Didn’t wanna then never wants to get his hands dirty. Never kills Harry when he’s a baby with his hands. He doesn’t enter the battlefield, the main war.

He’s only gonna sit back. William Wallace, Alexander the Great. I don’t know if Alexander the Great after the battlefield. No Gibson from the Patriot. Thank you.

No Gibson from the Patriot. I mean, all the people that are actual leaders enter the battlefield first. They’re they’re leading the charge. You can’t just sit back like what? Yeah.

Come on. It’s soft. Be better, Voldy. Alright. What else do you have for stock down?

Yeah. Last one is just Lupin, stock down. Oh, buddy. No. I mean, it’s tough.

I don’t wanna I don’t wanna trash on someone. But when Lupin first comes in, to the Weasleys and he comes in super super hot, I I initially wrote, Stockton getting married. I was like, oh, man. This dude’s really gonna change. He really kinda sucks.

So it was he got married. Because his his disposition previously was super nice and understanding and always, like, very well tempered. Mhmm. And then I was like, oh, it’s because he’s having a kid. And I was like, stuck down having a kid.

But, it turns out it wasn’t that either. I guess that that was of the reason that he was being so harsh. But, I mean, the dude did die after all, so I don’t wanna Talk hell of the dead? Yeah. But he didn’t get really a proper debt.

We don’t know what happened to him. It’s just him and his wife died, which is kinda sad. Yeah. They’re just laying there. Nothing really great for him in this book.

He has a big argument and a blowout with Harry or Roud as they would say in, in Britain. Yeah. But the real reason Roud. Sorry. Yeah.

Good good fix. The real reason that it’s a stock down is because the dude’s a werewolf. It’s been 3 or 4 books here that we’ve known that and he hasn’t really have he has he turned into a werewolf since then? I mean, I’m sure he has, but, not on screen. We’re not really getting anything, but why don’t we just go full Incredible Hulk and just Yeah.

I was saying the same thing. You know, unleash him on on the Death Eaters. What are we doing here? It’s just a huge miss. Actually, I even wrote this note when I saw there there’s a full moon, and I was like, where the hell’s Lupin been recently?

Why isn’t he why isn’t he out there terrorizing people? Like, this is a guy guy you want to hear aside just to unleash on people. You were listening to it and you looked up in the sky and saw a full moon. You’re like, where’s Lupin been? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I I mean, I feel like you could have put a couple of pages in there, for it being a full moon during the battle of Hogwarts, and Lupin is able to, like, differentiate his wife from the Death Eaters and goes straight after them. He just has his Wolverine moment and goes, you know, full Berserker mode on, Greyback. Just goes straight after Greyback and somehow gets cursed and then Tonks, who’s Tonks is is an ore.

You know, she’s a badass. So I wanna see how she died because I assume that it’s when you see the a samurai die or something along those lines and around them is just a 100 enemy bodies. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

I would’ve I would’ve liked to see more. I thought you were gonna keep going with your stock up, stock down about marriage, having a kid, and then straight to Teddy and be, like, not having parents, being an orphan. Stock up. Harry is a godfather, and so shouldn’t he be, like, growing up in their house? Yeah.

I was thinking about that too. I was like, wait. So you just abandoned the kid? Figure it’s been a tough it was a tough book for Tonks’ mom who lost her husband, her daughter, and her son-in-law. So I think the only thing she has left is her grandson, so I think it’s gonna be a little bit of a Neville type situation for Teddy where he grows up he grows up with his with his grandmother, especially because he’s named after his grandfather.

Right? So, you know, it just seems like she would, she would raise him. But, yeah, you didn’t even really talk about Lupin’s worst moment, which is when he went to Harry, Ron, and Hermione and asked to join them. He was, like, trying to Peter Pan this whole thing and be, like, let me join you kids on your journey. And they’re, like, get out of here, geezer.

Like, what do you what? No. I didn’t really have a big issue with him there. So you’re telling me you couldn’t use an extra wizard and, like, you don’t trust Lupin? I didn’t really fault him that much for that.

I guess he is was running away from his problems. So Yeah. He wasn’t doing it for the right reasons. That that’s for sure. That’s true.

Yeah. That’s true. He had, yeah, he had a little bit of manic stuff going on. I mean, the the, you know, even the best time we see him, he’s, like, coming in. He’s, like, talks at the kid.

Oh, let’s get drunk. Alright. I gotta go. I was like, what? Nope.

Nope. Yeah. Alright. Like, what color is there? Is he gonna be werewolf?

I don’t know. I gotta get out of here. He’s like, alright. Lupin, you’re you’re having a moment here. Yeah.

So so not a good not a good book for him, unfortunately. He, he dies at the end. And, and, yeah, and Harry didn’t wanna name his kid after Lupin, one of his, best teachers and whatever. He wanted to name it after his one of his worst teachers ever since. Yep.

Makes sense. 2nd best stock down is a prejudice stock down. Lot of Slytherin prejudice here at at the end from McGonagall. We’ve been getting Slytherin prejudice throughout, but Voldemort’s attacking the school and he says bring out Harry Potter and a bunch of the Slytherins step up and they’re like, alright. Let’s get this guy.

And then the rest of the school steps up and they say, no. You know, through over our dead bodies kinda situation where McGonagall has to step in and say, Slughorn, take your whole house. Get them out of here. They’re done. There’s got to be some good eggs in there, right?

Some good eggs that want to stay and fight that are just getting pushed out the door. What about kids whose parents are are death eaters, but they’re rebelling against their parents? You know, I don’t wanna be I don’t wanna be they’re terrible people. I don’t wanna be a terrible person. Well, they probably wouldn’t be in Southern then, I guess, would be the, like, life was named Cyrus.

Is that the case? You have to just be a terrible person if you’re in in Slytherin, or what about maybe this kid is a terrible person, but their parents were death eaters and Voldemort killed their parents, You know? Because Voldemort’s killing death eaters himself left and right in in this book when they’re, you know, not doing right by him. So you wanted to be a death eater, like like, Regulus. You know?

And then all this bad shit happened, and you say, nope. I’m anti Voldemort. You’re ready to fight. You’re ready to fight for the school, and McGonagall’s pushing you out the door. Prejudice.

So, yeah, I I I don’t I don’t stand for prejudice, and I don’t I don’t I don’t I don’t go look for McGonagall in my opinion. I will go back to my my Snape take. Actions speak louder than words. I mean, if you wanna step up and game up and show that you’re you’re part of Hogwarts and you’re actually a good person, then step to the plate and make and do that. Don’t don’t keep saying, well, maybe they could have done No.

No. Just do it. You know what I mean? So Well, I didn’t have the opportunity. You got to drive I’ve had 7 years of opportunity.

I haven’t seen one of them step up to the plate and do anything good. So until then, you know, you keep quiet and you get out of Hogwarts. You seen the movie Half Baked? Yeah. When when Pansy Parkinson or whatever is saying, grab him to Harry Potter, and then everyone steps up.

I pictured the scene where the guy’s like, boo this man. Boom. Every the rest of the people just go boo. Boo. You ever suck dick for marijuana?

Okay. Last one. Quick one. Wizarding negotiating skills, stock down. Once again, they’re just not teaching the right stuff at this school.

Harry has a deal with Griphook. Right? So he saves Griphook’s life. Griphook is being tortured and held prisoner by Voldemort at the Malfoy’s. And Harry saves his life.

Not only that, Griphook witnesses him burying Dobby, a house elf, a presumed lower being to most wizards, which Griphook is taken by. So Griphook should know that Harry’s a good guy and also that Harry saved him. So Harry should know this as well. And then, when they start negotiating on how to get into Bellatrix’s vault, Harry just gives him the sword. And I know Harry has this loophole that he said, Okay, I’ll give it to him, but it’ll be after we have all the horcruxes.

But still, it seemed like he should when Griphook said give me the sword, Harry’s rebuttal to that classic negotiation is he goes, No. And then, you start negotiating. Not, let me think about it. Okay. I thought about it.

Yeah. Sure. I’ll give you the sword. So yeah. Not what are you doing, Harry?

Not great. Yeah. And, if this book teaches you anything, the prejudice part. You almost can use prejudice. Oh, yeah.

All this all this are terrible. All of, what what kind of creatures? Goblins are bad too. Yeah. It’s like, like, what else could you do to to make them turn to your side?

So apparently not. Yeah. Bill has to give him the the big speech about how terrible goblins are. They also, the way goblins look at stuff, I understand perspective matters. That’s a cool logic Did you?

For me to have. I thought well, it’s just the original idea that you you would it’s so backwards that you would never think of it, but it’s a creative thing to come up with as a bad like a bad guy. It it’s an ultimate business idea for for goblins because everything is a rental. You know, they own everything. It’s a lease.

Everything is a lease. It’s a lease. It’s a smart. Yeah. It’d be it’d be like everything that we owned that we bought.

If if Jeff Bezos did this, you’d have to return all the stuff to Amazon afterwards. You’d be like, oh, well, now you owe me money. It’s like, I I broke the cheese grater. It’s like, oh, you it’s like the rent a center situation. You know?

People get poor using rent a center. It’s like exactly like that. I’m not supposed to be renting my bed right now? That’s weird. Okay.

Let’s get into the Burning A Bot’s every flavor bean potpourri section here. Interesting for this book in particular, not a lot of magical elements that were talked about, not a lot of spells, and not a lot of magical creatures. So I didn’t know if you had any of those. Maybe magical element perhaps. I fit, I fit the the round peg into the square hole for these, you know, to make it work.

Well, well, let’s start with what we like to start off with, favorite chapter or part of the book in, Death of the Hallows. What do you got? Mine was and this one I literally didn’t remember one part of this at all was the you already mentioned it. The Mission Impossible infiltration into the, ministry. Mhmm.

They’re in different disguises. They’re basically, like, kinda going off the cuff. They’re just kinda trying to figure out as they go. I don’t remember the scene at all. I I told you I forgot Umbridge was even in this book.

And I was like, wait, she’s here? Like, everything about it and then him just like coming up being like, I can’t stand this shit. And then kinda leading the whole pack of people that are about to be tried away and and and getting saving them as well. Great. Everything about it was awesome.

So that was my favorite. There’s so much good parts of this book, but this is one scene I completely forgot about. I thought it was a completely underrated scene. Yeah. That’s a good mention because it it almost happened so early on in the book that I I forgot about it by the time I finished the book, You know?

And it is so good because it’s like a the Mission Impossible, but where, usually, they get, like, 4 steps into the Mission Impossible and then shit goes haywire. This is they plan for a month, and then the first second they get through the elevator, it starts to go awry, which is which is great. And they all get split up and, you know, read the book. But it was, I I really like that as well. I hope that was a that was a really fun chapter that that I, that I didn’t recall.

But for me and maybe just because I’m more into, like, the the, like, lore type stuff or whatever, but I love the story of the hallows. And then that really that ties right into pretty much every the whole time at, like, Shell Cottage because it ties right into that Shell Cottage situation where Harry has his moment realizing that not only the Hallows are real, but Voldemort has been trying to get the wand. And now Harry has to make a decision howls are horcruxes. And I like this not only because it’s awesome, but because we’ve been getting these teasing moments about this stuff, not only throughout this book, but throughout the whole series. And then you can start tying the pieces together in your head where it’s like, holy smokes.

Harry has this cloak that is one of 3. Like, that’s pretty crazy. And Dumbledore had this wand. What? He had the most powerful wand.

And hearing that hearing that lore and then the conversations that he has with Ollivander and then Griphook about deciding what to do next, I loved it a lot. And it was a big come up instead of Hermione who didn’t think that that it was real. So, yeah, I thought I thought that moment. And that I feel like that is kind of well, I was gonna say it’s the halfway point of the book, and it really turns the tone right there, and we go into a different kind of section. But as you’ll see when we watch the movies, that is where they stop.

A lot of the movies. So I was wondering where they stop. Yeah. They stop it at Dobby’s death. Yeah.

What about, favorite character for this one? You know what? For this one, I’m I’m going Harry. Harry went through a lot in this one. It’s just a great around around book.

It taught us a lot about leadership, perseverance, sacrifice, all the things a great leader, a great main character has to to embody and he he did all those things in this book and, and that they had a lot of struggles. He had a lot of doubters. He had a lot of, doubt of of himself. Yeah. I think that was the biggest thing is is the self doubt.

Throughout all the other books, he it’s been him versus the doubters. And then in this book, it’s really about he’s the doubter, You know? He’s saying what’s going to happen when I eventually have to face him? Was Dumbledore lying to me? And then, you know, vis a vis, am I an idiot for listening to Dumbledore?

Am I an idiot for going on this whole thing? So, you know, I feel like a lot of the doubt for this one was was internal, and he was able able to overcome that. Yeah. I think that that’s a that’s a fair choice. That’s the minus, you know, in the betting terms, that’s the minus 110 right there.

But, I’m gonna say who’s not my favorite, and, you know, might might get me some some hate mail, but gotta say Ron. You know? Ron, it’s it just wasn’t a good look for him in this book, honestly. You know? He’s stepping out on his best friends because he’s not getting 3 square meals a day, and he wants to see his mom.

Buddy, this is war. This is a legit war. You should know what you signed up for here. So stepping out on your best friend and your girlfriend, who’s also your best friend. Also, they don’t have grocery stores in Britain.

Just throw an invisibility cloak on, throw a fucking, peanut butter and jelly sandwich, a couple of peanut things of peanut butter, a couple of things of jelly, get a loaf of bread. I mean, what are we talking about? What’s how is food the issue? I don’t understand that. Yeah.

I I also thought thought the same thing too. They’re they’re in the woods, which I understand. But you know what the best part was? When they are camping in the woods because I I thought the same thing. You can apparate, disaparate at will.

So apparate into a grocery store with the invisibility cloak on, pick up a bunch of stuff and apparate it or disapparate it. Whatever the case is. Easy peasy. But I was like, hey, I understand that’s a little hard. So I mean, it’s a it’s a little too easy.

You know, too easy for JK. So but then they’re in the woods and they stumble upon those other people that are in the woods and the guy’s like, oh, here’s a pond. Assio salmon. And, like, 20 salmon fly out to him. He’s like, alright.

We’re eating salmon tonight. He’s like, why aren’t why aren’t Harry and Hermione figuring this one out? Point. Why didn’t they use Assio the salmon? Maybe they sound like fish.

They’re not big fish people. So I respect it. Yeah. Any port in a storm. So, yeah, he was probably my least favorite.

And and and for low screen time, but it’s gotta be Neville. Right? And doesn’t get a lot of doesn’t get a lot of pages in this one. When he comes out of the portrait one, he’s so jacked up to see them, and he’s he’s got the shit beat out of him, but he’s never been happier in his whole life. I was picturing, honestly, like, Brad Pitt from Fight Club when he comes out of there.

That that’s what he is now. He’s like he has the he’s the swagger and the confidence, and somehow, he’s also looks like Brad Pitt. So, you know, everyone’s dream. I mean, what? Anyway, do you know what I’m saying?

Yeah. He’s just like a weird kid who a war broke out and found out that he’s a complete badass, you know, in a wartime situation, which is which is awesome. He’s like a straight out of Band of Brothers HBO miniseries. So not only does he have that moment coming out of the portrait, but then, obviously, Harry has a quick moment. And out of all the people that he could run into, and I trust he tells Neville that he’s gotta kill Nagini.

And Neville just not only steps up to Voldemort alone at the end when it seems like Voldemort’s already won. He’s like, uh-uh. Not gonna fly. And then he goes and kills Nagini. So, yeah, Neville.

You get it for me. Yeah. Love that. What about magical element? Rising from the dead?

So, when I first read this book, I remember thinking, is this a religious book? Did Harry is Harry just Jesus in this? Yeah. Because he gets killed, talks to God, aka Dumbledore, and then they’re like, is this all in your head? He’s like, you tell me.

And then he rises from the dead. I was like, wait. What? So, yeah, that’s that’s kind of a cool element, him being Jesus, but, yeah, 3 days. What about you?

It didn’t take or do, like, less than 3 hours. Yeah. Whatever. 3 minutes. Yes.

Yeah. I was thinking about this one, and nothing from this particular book jumped out to me, but I just wanna pull an in general is gonna be portraits. Just the fact that portraits can talk and move in their frames and seem to it’s not just playback of memories. Like they have their own personalities. It seems like everyone’s immortal, Right?

Because Harry even has a conversation with Dumbledore’s portrait at the end and Dumbledore’s crying. And he’s like, oh, my dear boy, you did it. You know? All you need in the wizarding world is to have a kid with a crayon draw a couple of pictures of you, and you can put them all over the place. And and you could just continue to live on.

I feel like portraits should be like AI. They should be like, this is how that person would respond. Yeah. Exactly. But not have a person out like, not be able to, like, be like, oh, this is what’s happening in the future, and I cannot make decisions that I would make if I were alive.

Yeah. They they they are that person as if they were alive pretty much. Yeah. So and I agree with you. It should be they can’t maybe get new information, but they can relay things that they I don’t know.

But, yeah, I thought the portrait thing just seems like an easy hack because whenever someone dies, it’s like, oh, this is terrible. They die. But it’s like, oh, just go and chat with their portrait. Like, when you just go over there, chat with their portrait, it’s the exact same thing. You just can’t hug them.

So, yeah, I’m gonna say the portrait. Although, I will say that both Harry’s little thing that Hagrid gave him, the taseraznack that he stores stuff in, and Hermione’s bag are pretty sweet. I mean, just if you travel ever, just use Hermione’s bag, especially with an Assio spell. You know, it just everything. You could you could put your whole house in there.

Doesn’t matter. You’d have everything with you all times. The tent. The same thing. Yeah.

Well, the tent goes in there. There’s some food in there. Yeah. Why also didn’t they just throw endless amounts of food in there? You know?

Canned canned goods. Wizarding canned goods. Astronaut food. Whatever. What about spell?

Abracadabra for you? The fire spell that was used in the room of requirement that burned everything? Yeah. Seems like they should’ve just learned that spell, and they wouldn’t need the sword or anything. Right?

Yeah. Hermione is like, it’s it’s uncontrollable. I would never wanna use that even though it can kill all of us. Control that. Or who cares?

It’s we’re we’re talking about killing the most dange quote unquote, the most dangerous wizard, dark wizard. So go to a body of water and light that thing up. And worst case, you can also augment it. Just shoot water out of your wand. Oh, it doesn’t kill that fire.

Whatever. You know, the fire is uncontrollable. Who cares? You’re not gonna burn down half of Britain. You know, it might be a Just learn that spell.

Learn how to control it. Yeah. Figure it out. It’s like and also, why is there a spell that Crabbe or whatever can can do that kills horcruxes? It seems way too easy.

What’s the point of a horcrux? And you have to use basilisk venom to do it, but it’s like, oh, this spell that Crabbe could do. That stuck down Hermione for not really remedial charms and and yet he can do this spell? Nah. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. Yeah. Hermione definitely forgot about that, and she was like, oh, shit. Yeah.

Like, Hermione, why don’t we use this? She’s like, oh, no. I would never use that. It’s too dangerous. No one could ever use it.

And so she that was definitely her covering for herself. Yeah. Yeah. She’s like, oh, shit. I totally forgot a 100%.

I’m gonna have to go with Expelliarmus. We just have to it has to be said on this podcast because it is the Harry Potter spell. It’s what gets him the elder wand. It’s what he uses against Dumbledore. I’m not sure Dumbledore, but he uses against Voldemort time and time again.

You know, it is it is Harry. It’s his signature move, like they say at the beginning, which we didn’t even talk about the whole beginning with all the polyjuice potion. Everyone’s transforming into Harry and looking at his penis, and it’s just so uncomfortable. But even, you know, even then, he’s expelliarmus ing left to right, and they say they knew it was him because he used expelliarmus. So, yeah, it’s you just gotta give a shout out to it in the wizarding world.

It’s great. It’s like Harry’s shooting rubber bullets and everyone shooting regular bullets. So respect or much respect. Do you have a magical creature? I feel like we didn’t have any new ones, did we?

I said Luna’s dad. He’s got a good creature. Xenophilius Lovegood? He kinda sucked, honestly. I understand that he wants to protect his daughter, but at the same time, practice like you play.

Yeah. And also, if you’re gonna be writing a revolt against the government thing and you know the government’s getting overthrown, maybe try to be a little bit more secretive or, you know, prepare for potentially someone coming and and trying to snatch you up at night or snatch your daughter or just you know what I mean? Yeah. On like Harry Potter radio or whatever that radio thing is, they’re traveling all over the place because they can’t they have to move because they can’t keep broadcasting from the same location. Makes perfect sense.

Yet, Xenophilius Lovegood is just printing the Quibbler from his house and thinks it’s gonna be chill with Voldemort. Yeah. It’s probably not not super duper smart. I guess for a magical creature then would be that thingy out on the wall Yeah. Which he thought was one thing and it just explodes.

But, it feels like Hermione should’ve got a couple of those. You can start throwing them around like they’re bombs or something like that. Maybe that could destroy a horcrux. I don’t know. Let’s show you some love hate, Keith.

What did you love about Deathly Hallows? Ronald Bilious Weasley. Oh, no. He’s my at least favorite character. Great name.

No. I meant the name. Oh, the name. Yeah. I also heard Bany does call her Ronald.

So we had debated why the movie that she was calling him Ronald. She does when she’s upset with him. So, we did solve that. So that’s that’s okay. Damn.

I hope she she pulls the full name out of it. Hand up. Hand up. My bad. Yeah.

Hand up. Speaking of things that we can relate to, Harry, anytime the scar hurts, just keeps running to the bathroom. You think what are they saying to him? Behind the back, they’re like, Harry’s really got the shit, son. Yeah.

Alright. Harry’s got an eating disorder. Right? Right? Yeah.

Oh, wow. I didn’t go there. I was thinking that he was like, oh my god. My stomach. And he’s just like, or my scar, I mean.

Whoops. And I was like, I got I feel you. I feel you. I gotcha. Yeah.

Hermione is like, good thing I can just keep using the same I have that magical toilet paper. You just keep wiping with it, and, you know, it’s always clean. Anyways Yeah. That was, that was an interesting take. Like, obviously, people are gonna know.

What what are you doing? What I loved about this well, we kinda we kinda talked about it anyway, so I’m just gonna go through it quickly. But it’s like a few different books all tied into one here. Not only do we get the Harry Potter story that we’re looking for that, you know, ends the entire series and his, you know, inevitable full frontal assault against Voldemort, we get the bank heist. We get the children’s story, which is great by the way.

I love that story. We get wandlore. We get horcrux lore. We get general wizarding lore. There’s so much in there.

Not only do you get the bank heist, we also get the ministry heist like you talked about. We get the escape with all, you know, the like car chase scene with all of them on the brooms at the beginning. So oh my god. I didn’t even talk about cutting onions for Hedwig. My god talk about onions needed.

And then another thing I love because it’s it’s talking about cutting onions is for me, for some reason, Percy coming back into the family fold got me more in the feels than Fred dying. Maybe it was because it was just like so quick with Fred dying. And Oh, you’re much more emotional, like, and how does he react? Yeah. Like, I got Oh, you’re Not angry.

Oh, I was angry. Oh. Percy should be the one dying, not not Fred. He should’ve sacrificed himself somehow. He does go on to, like, you know, immediately start attacking people once once Fred gets caught.

And he’s gonna have to live with that guilt. I mean, Percy’s Percy’s gonna gonna have a lot of wizarding therapy ahead of him. But just the way that his mom and dad embraced him coming back, it it first, I don’t know why. People. He’s a shitty person.

But it it just it got me right in the feels. I got the goose pimples and and started to well up a little bit. So, yeah, I I I I love that moment for the Weasley family even though, you know, the Fred stuff kinda sucks. What else you love? Just how sick would a post Voldy death party be?

Like, is that just how how sick would that? I’m just thinking about how awesome that would be. Well, like, there’s, like, 50 plus people that that died, so that’s unfortunate. We gotta celebrate their death. I did I did appreciate how even Harry in there was like, oh, it’s awesome, but then, like, it sucks because all these people died.

So there is this weird duality going on. But, yeah, I figured just, like, after a battle, like, you know, if you’re a soldier or something like that when, yeah, it’s shitty that all these people died, obviously, but the the fact that you survived, there’s this euphoria that comes for that. Mhmm. So, yeah, I think, Hogwarts probably, the house elves probably broke out all the butter beer and the fire whiskey, and and people really got after it, cheers into cheers into the dead and and to each other. And I bet you a few wizards were made that night, if you know what I’m saying.

I do know what you’re saying. My my last love is and this is just maybe a pat on my own back, but Harry at the end, when he’s having his showdown with Voldemort, he’s calling him Tom Riddle the whole time, and Voldemort’s getting pissed. I have been saying for months, legitimately months, that we shouldn’t call him he who must not be named. We shouldn’t call him Voldemort, this name that he picked out for himself. We should be calling him Tom Riddle, humanizing this evil, evil man who has turned himself into Voldemort, this, you know, mythical being that can’t be beaten.

No. He’s Tom Riddle. He’s a guy. I’m gonna go over there. I’m gonna kick him in the nuts.

So, yeah. I’m just glad that Harry finally just called him Tom and pissed him off before he ended up obliterating him. That’s a great point. Yeah. I I’ve gotta leave it to Tommy, Tommy r or something.

You know? Just just keep on messing around with his name. Yeah. Yeah. Or just Riddle because that’s the name he doesn’t like.

Right? So just call it Riddle. Hey, Riddle. Woodwood hates. You already mentioned it, but why did Harry need to take Hedwig with him?

It’s a bird of flight. Let let her off the cage and tell her to meet you at the Weasley slice. Yeah. Just take a different route. I just yeah.

I just didn’t get it. She doesn’t need to be in the line of fire. Yeah. Also, I’d just be pissed if, Hedwig dies, you know, flying, doing what she loves, so be it. You know, the best thing that can happen is you die doing what you love.

You know what I mean? But in a cage Yeah. She literally died. That didn’t sit well with me. Die do what you love, When I die on the Thanksgiving table, kid, just know.

I have a huge parlay on the line. I’m 8 beers deep. Yeah. Watching football, eating mac and cheese. Beers on Thanksgiving.

I feel like beers are hard because there’s so much food there. I’m I’m probably not gonna do beers. I’m probably gonna do probably do a little, little bourbon. You know? You gotta have a cocktail or a hard liquor or something like that.

I like the Aperol Spritz for me. Oh, okay. Yeah. I like it for a few reasons. One, it’s citrusy and refreshing, and there’s ice in it, so it hydrates you as well.

And, you know, it’s also got orange in it, even though it’s orange liqueur, and there’s but there’s an orange garnish on it, so it’s pretty much breakfast, so that means you can start early. And then additionally, you just kind of continuously fill it throughout the day. It’s never empty. It’s like we’re doing the refill charm spell on it that Harry does to Slughorn. So no one can ever count how many I’ve had because I’m just constantly adding more to it.

Oh, a little Prosecco here, a little Aperol there, a little seltzer here. You never know. You know, if you had cans, like, 10 beer cans, I’ll be like, you just drink 10 beer cans, are you a psychopath? But here, it’s like, hey. What a not like I’m gonna finish a bottle.

Oh, maybe I will finish a bottle of Aperol in a second. Who knows? Yeah. But there’s multiple. So so, yeah, that’s why that’s why I let you go.

I like that. That’s that’s very rational and and well thought out. Yeah. Thank you. My hate is so the locket is pretty much Sauron’s one ring from Lord of the Rings.

It’s like JK really went too far on this one where she’s taken some other things from Tolkien, Dementors, or or basically the Nazgul, and and others. But this is is like exactly what the one ring is, where if you’re wearing it, it, you know, puts all these bad thoughts in your head and it, like, makes you really hard to continue wearing. It tries to kill you, which it tried to kill Frodo, tried to drag Frodo down at one point. So and especially, like, Frodo in wears the ring around his neck, like the locket. So it was a little bit too on the nose for some of the stuff that she’s pretty much just straight up stolen from from Tolkien.

And and I I respect j I respect j r r Tolkien. I respect j k Rowling. I just think that the locket was a little too close to the one ring. There seems like there are a lot of things they could have done instead of just having it around their neck when they know it was fucking with them. You can just have it in the tent.

Yeah. You’re putting Hermione’s bag. She shoved the bag in her sock like the the bag’s not going anywhere. You know? Right.

Plus, there’s a 1,000,000 things in that bag. If they look at his neck, they’re like, oh, here’s this locket, whereas you’re there to go through every single one, the the bag. Yeah. It’s yeah. Don’t don’t wear it.

You’re just sitting in a tent at night. Just put it in the bag. Car keys. You’d put your car keys in a bowl. You’re not gonna lose them.

What else, Jay? The I might have missed it, but Umbridge didn’t really get her comeuppance. She doesn’t really there’s no so I found, JK wrote, like, a follow-up piece on her website being, like, oh, yeah. She was sentenced to prison at Ask Man, life in prison, which good. It wasn’t enough for me, honestly.

I’ll be I’ll be honest with you. I just watched the The Gentleman. Have you seen that movie? Yeah. I love that movie.

Great movie. Yeah. I really like the the guy. He did the snatch too. That guy.

He all those movies are pretty, yeah. He’s a they’re all they’re all solid. Sherlock Holmes movies too. I like the ending, the pound of flesh. Mhmm.

The metaphor where he takes it literally. That’s what I needed from her. I needed £2. £2 of flesh for the for those who didn’t watch it, you should watch it but he basically is like, in order to get my good graces, you have to go cut off a pound of your own flesh literally. If it’s not a a full pound then I’ll kill you.

It’s also a good like brain stimulator. It’s a good interview question. Honestly, you should probably think about doing that for your interview. Would you cut off? Yeah, exactly.

What what what part of your body would you cut off? Can you just be 1 pound? Yeah. If you go under then they kill you. If they go you go over, you’re fine.

Oh, I know one thing that I’d definitely be fine with if I well, like, I’d be fine in the sense it’s over a pound. I wouldn’t be fine in the sense that I have to cut it off. But, yeah. I don’t I don’t know. I guess, you know, you’d want to say your butt or something like that, but you probably need, you know, if you want to do any sort of sports, it’s going to be tough.

So you wouldn’t want to do a hand. That seems really bad. It’s a good I guess. I guess can you just take little pieces all over the place, which would also suck, but at least eventually would heal. I bet you in like Gattaca, you know when he goes in the shower and has to scrub off all of his skin flakes and stuff like that?

I would start with that and see how much I could get. I could probably get a quarter quarter pound, I think, out of all out of all that. I mean, your skin weighs a good amount. You could probably, like and it would suck to fillet it, but at least you would still have some structural integrity in your body. Yeah.

I think the person that has the gun deer head is not it’s not gonna be like, oh, the dry skin you have? That’s a you’re right. That’s fair. Well, first, you shave your head. That’s that’s for sure.

Yeah. You’re like, that counts. It’s like, no. I hope you have long hair. Yeah.

Yeah. So my next hate is it’s a bit naive of Harry to put the elder wand back with the idea of if I die a natural death, the wand will lose its power. Harry, the entire wizarding world will know that you are the rightful owner of the elder wand. So any snotnosed kid can walk up to you in the street, give you the old expelliarmus, and it’s theirs now. All they have to do is go to Dumbledore’s tomb and get it.

That’s the best case scenario. Worst case scenario, people are coming up just abracadabra. Okay. I’m going to go get the elder wand. It’s not like the entire wizard world knows this.

Some Death Eaters are still out there. They’ll come to you and just kill you or expel any spell against you, and then all of a sudden, it’s theirs. So I thought it was it was pretty naive of him to, to just be like, I’m gonna put it back where it belongs. Yeah. Didn’t didn’t didn’t care for it.

Yeah. No. I I agree. I didn’t really that that kinda went over my head a little bit, some of that stuff. So, I just was like, alright.

I’ll move along. Did you have any other hates? Last ones were just more of the hate of movie 5, how the room requirement is so important this movie and they no one can get in even though they know they’re in there. The movie 5 just completely destroys that whole logic because you can just blow the door down. So it’s just Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Not canon. Not canon. Okay.

Oh the last thing was just that once the Voldemort knows that they’re going after the Hulk races, I don’t know why they can’t tell everyone that. Alright? Like, I understand you don’t want it to get out. You need to keep the secret tight within the group because you don’t want him ever finding out. But once he knows, now tell everyone.

Who cares? Like, let’s get this shit. Yeah. Once Voldemort knows that you’re going for horcruxes, yeah. The only concern would be, once again, if they stole something from Lord of the Rings or something, and a kid grabbed the diadem and was like, now I get the power of this and or diadem, whatever it is.

And he’s like, you know, now I have the power, and they don’t wanna give it to him. But, yeah, I I I agree. Lingering questions and some potpourri. Did you have any lingering questions after this one? No.

I think we answered a lot of the ones that I Oh, really? Oh, I had a bunch. Well, here we go. Oh, I will, because talk about hitting you with them. You had mentioned the wand Gatling gun in a previous podcast where the idea is you just have a Gatling gun of wands and it just spell left and right.

And it was an interesting thought experiment, but not something that was based in anything that J. K. Had put pen to paper. But we do see some potential use here as Harry does a 3 wand curse at Malfoy in in Malfoy Manor, or it might have been at Bellatrix. I don’t know.

Either way, he has the 3 wands, and he shoots a curse, and it’s like triple power. So it leads you to wonder why not have multiple wands, you know? Well, we’ve already got over this because, obviously, you should just if it’s the only thing you can conduct magic through, then you should have it should be like a flashlight. You should have, like, 50 of them if you’re in the dark all the time. You know?

You can’t just be like I don’t know. I don’t know if a flashlight is such an example. I’m trying to get it. No. No.

It is because, like, you use Lumos as an example. When they use Lumos, it’s like this little wand tip light. So if you had 10 wands, it’d be one of those things one of those flashlights that you see on TV for, like, you know, buy now for $20 and it shoots to outer space. I I guess the counterargument is, like, why don’t you have 4 phones? Because we should have that.

Because the phone is, like, the most important asset we have pretty much. Yeah. But why would I need 4 of them? 1 I can only do I can only use 1 at a time. Yeah.

That’s true. Well, I’m thinking of like if you break a wand, you need a backup right away. Yeah. But more, I’m saying just use some Spello tape. Start expelliarmicing everyone and take that and just keep taping wands to your boss.

Oh my mega wand. Yeah. And because you’ve expelliarmiced these people, now it’s yours and it recognizes you as the owner and then you can just have this mega wand. You’re walking around with a bundle of sticks that’s actually just this bazooka wand that you have. You say Lumos, and it’s just a fucking spotlight.

It’s like popping. Exactly. It’s like when a movie opens or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

Just blinding people. That’s you’re you’re doing, like, next door to the house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So professor Bins is always talking about the goblin rebellion, and and they’ve referenced it a bunch, and they reference it in this as as well. I I wanna know how that played out. If they were to make you know how Star Wars, they’re making all these Star Wars shows on Disney Plus that are in the Star Wars universe? I think that this would be an interesting one because they’re talking about or Grippleks talking about how, oh, wizards refuse to give goblins wands. They kept wand lore to themselves.

But then there’s the story of this one goblin who potentially was able to wield a wand. And how goblins have their own magical power. And then you tie in this goblin rebellion. So, like, was there a wizard that went bad and and or maybe not even bad, went good and and taught goblins some wand lore? Because they felt like every creature should understand it and that led to the goblin rebellion.

I feel like that would be an interesting side story for something that happened in the past. Yeah. I was also a bit shocked that, Imperial worked on them. I I just was assuming that they were gonna be, like, from, episode 1 star wars where he’s like, your mind tricks don’t work on me. You know?

Yeah. They should they should’ve been like, no. Shake that one right off. Yeah. Why did they include Mundungus in the Harry escape plan?

Like, just just don’t have him there. You know you know he’s he’s not gonna be able to do anything and it leads to Moody’s death. Yeah. No idea why he was there. Yeah.

You don’t need Mundungus. Also, you know, Stan Shunt that that same kind of thing. Stan Shunpike being a death eater, not a good look for Harry after he realizes during the escape that it’s Stan Schenpike. He’s like, oh, he must be imperious. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. That is the nicest excuse you could put. Everything is like, everyone’s imperious if you don’t do what you want. It’s like just saying fake news.

That’s what that is. A 100%. Everything. Harry, as a leader of people, needs to put his hand up for this one. Yeah.

He needs to say, hey, I’m the chosen one, but even I can make mistakes. Stan Shonpike’s a death eater. He’s a piece of shit. My bad. I shouldn’t have made an entire book about me hating the minister because he had Stan Shunpike behind bars, and I should have moved on from it.

So so, yeah, not a good look by Harry. Question. How did Dumbledore get Fawkes? Is that also another fun backstory that we should hear? It’s, like, very tied to him.

Isn’t that his, what’s called as well, Patronus? Yeah. Patronus. There is a, a theory that Fox is Dumbledore’s horcrux, and so Dumbledore is actually dead, and Fox is his horcrux. Oh, I like that.

Yeah. It’s interesting, especially if you did something like you killed Grindelwald in a duel, so you murdered someone, but it’s not like you’re obviously you are a murderer because you murdered someone, but it wasn’t in cold blood or something. So why not use that option? I think I don’t know that, so You will. We don’t know that, but yeah.

But why not use that opportunity to create a horcrux? It was, like, whatever. So I haven’t seen any other ones, so maybe this gets addressed. But I would just like to see some more early Dumbledore or read about it, really. So Voldemort can fly.

We learned that in the escape, from from the, Dursleys. We learned that Voldemort can’t fly. He can do the smoke thingy from the movies. So it makes sense now why they include that in the movies. Unfortunately, it should only be for Voldemort because when Voldemort does it, people are legitimately like, holy shit.

Voldemort can fly. What the fuck? So it’s super cool if it’s just Voldemort. It’s not that cool if everyone else can do it. So Yeah.

But, I see where I now I know where they got it from because I was wondering in the movies why they just created that whole thing. Well, that takes us to the end here. So who gets awarded the House Cup for you, Keith? For me, it’s really gonna be the the lasting impact of this book, namely, Voldemort’s lasting impact. Getting rid of the Sorting Hat.

That’s what I think this book is really all about. And Voldemort tried to do that and everyone rallied against him as Yeah. There are 4 houses still at the end which I didn’t think made a lot of sense. The whole idea and even when Harry’s kids he sees, Malfoy’s kids, there’s already, like, this enemy or there’s already There’s a division. Yeah.

I’m like, did we not learn from a a civil war we just had? Like Yeah. Do we not start, like, crossing the lines and stop separating people by groups like this? The whole whole concept of putting like minded people together and putting people that don’t think the same way as you separate from you and having them battling at each other in houses sets precedent for future issues. Yeah.

Instead of just randomizing, like, I think you keep the 4 houses but it’s randomized where people go. There’s no starting hat. You just say you open up up a card and it says you’re in this house. That doesn’t mean anything. And now you start mixing with other people and this this solves 2 problems.

1 is that, you know, again, that’s this how like societies grow and get better is that everyone mixes and everyone, you know, ideas get clash and they you come up with the best things. Secondly, the the withers and witches are the most important people. Right? So we don’t we don’t care about the humans. Thirdly, let’s stop, inbreeding, you know?

So get out of these all these houses. That’s gonna help make more witches and wizards that aren’t messed up like Umbridge and, Voldemort. So yeah. Yeah. That’s my that’s my, my speech there at the end of things, but, House Cup goes to Voldemort’s last night.

It was funny. After they beat Voldemort, Harry, you know, pointed out that the house division, the house tables, and everything was gone. It was everyone just celebrating together. And then 5 pages later, it’s his kids being, I don’t know if I want to be in Slytherin. I don’t want to and he’s like, oh, you know, you were named after Severus Snape, who’s one of the, who’s one of the most courageous wizards ever.

The rest of the Slytherins suck, but there’s one. So yeah. Why was he courageous, d man? I don’t care. Remember all the things he did that were so nice and so no.

I don’t remember any of them. No. No. He read Petunia’s letters. For me, and it’s low hanging fruit, but we just I think we gotta give a thank you and a house cup to to JK Rowling, you know, just for for the world that she created, you know, with an assist from J.

R. R. Tolkien. But, it’s crazy how quickly these books came out, and the amount of Harry Potter hype was incredible when we were younger and all this stuff was coming out. And you think about George RR Martin, who did his A Song of Ice and Fire, and he’s still not and granted those are super duper long books, but he’s still not even close to done with the series, and it’s been years years years years years.

And, J. K. Rowling had this wonderful outline that she was able to make sure everything tied together. She didn’t pull lost on us, and it still hits. I’m 37.

I started reading this book series when I was probably 12, and the magic still persists. Oh, great. Yeah. Just just House Cup, JK. Obviously, poke holes in a lot of this stuff in jest, although some of it is serious.

I I know you’re serious with the Snape thing, and you won’t let you won’t let it down. I get it. But, on the whole, just a freaking amazing series. It bothers me because I don’t know what the fuck we’re gonna do. I’ve when I started listening to our next book, 1, it wasn’t Jim Dale, so I was so pissed.

I was like, what the fuck am I listening to? And 2, I just kinda forgot that other books existed, really. It was just I’ve been in this Harry Potter situation for so long that just reading another book for me. This new book we’re reading. It was tough.

It was tough. I feel really I’m like the I’m like, the narrator is fucking terrible. It’s just a normal narrator. Yeah. Exactly.

Exactly. Everything pales in comparison. So, what is your final ranking on on the books? Yeah. I think I’m gonna go 4 stills number 1, 47.

I thought that was really good. 61325. I’ve decided to move 3 back. It didn’t have the same memory wise lasting impact as, as these other ones. Yeah.

I am I’m having a tough time with it with a 2, but I’m gonna go 437-1652. That’s what I said. That’s what I wrote down. I’m it it’s I I don’t know. It’s fluid, but that’s what I wrote down.

You know? That’s what I wrote down. It just feels hard dropping 1 and dropping 6 because they’re both so good, but I think as long as any I’m not gonna judge anyone on their ranking as long as they have 52 as as the 2. Then after that, you know, whatever. Let them fall let them fall as you will.

Keith, we did it. We did it. Well, that was the entire Harry Potter series. We still have, the the movies, which we’re gonna we’re gonna do. But if you wanna get a a head start on our next book, Keith, what do we got coming up?

We have Mexican Gothic by I’m gonna butcher the name. When we when we do the pop, we’re gonna butcher out the names, so don’t worry about it. Yeah. Silvia Moreno Garcia. Oh, nice.

Very well. Very well done. Yeah. So, we’re gonna and then when I told Caroline I was reading this, she was like, oh, yeah. That’s a hit that’s like a hit book.

Like, a couple years ago, it was, like, really big. So I was like, oh, cool. Well, I guess that’s why I guess that’s why we’re doing it. So I I hope people have read the book. Kind of a backwards compliment or a backhanded compliment.

They’re like, oh, that’s super hip. That was cool 2 years ago. But who knows, like, what books are hip, like, right now that are coming in? That seems We gotta be on that book talk. Talk.

That’s on you. Yeah. I guess so. I guess so. It seems like that’s just too quick.

I’ve never read a book besides, like, a Harry Potter book or A Song of Ice and Fire. We gotta be the people making the the new books. We gotta make the the cool yeah. That’s on us. Oh, we gotta make them cool.

Alright, Keith. Well, this has been an incredible journey. We it started with our 1 hundredth episode, and now we’re at, like, 115 after doing these. So I I I can’t wait to see what’s in store for the 2 hundredth hundredth episode. Can’t wait.

We’re almost there. Yeah. Alright. Well, I’ll catch you for for the movies and the Mexican Gothic. Indeed.

Alright. Love it. Bye. Bye now.