Light Bringer (Red Rising Book 6) – Pierce Brown – Episode 129

The Buddies are back for their sixth rodeo with Pierce Brown’s “Light Bringer,” the final book in the second Red Rising trilogy (before the 7th book). The Buddies needed some cliff notes to remember what happened in this one (it was a lot). The gang discusses Mission Impossible/Scooby-Doo mask reveals, and how Atlas has been playing 4D chess while everyone else was playing checkers. There’s also talk of self-help books, Darrow having an identity crisis, and Virginia actually getting to do cool Mustang things instead of just being stuck in meetings. So grab your 35-hour audiobook stamina, practice remembering approximately 847 character names, and join the Buddies as we contemplate life until Red God comes out.

Intro/Book Summary (0:00-5:37)

Stock Up/Down (5:38-32:12)

Favorite Scene/Character (32:13-36:25)

Love/Hate (36:26-50:45)

Conclusion (50:46-55:36)

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All right. Welcome to the book club. I’m Dylan here with my pixie co-host Keith. What’s up buddy?

Dylan. It’s been too long, my good man. I think I’ve used that last time, but.

I feel like I’ve used pixie before too. This is our sixth. This is our sixth time doing these books. Either way, here at the book club, we’re breaking down some bestsellers. And this week we’re discussing 2023 Lightbringer by Pierce Brown, the sixth book, which is the last of the two trilogies. If you’re following along and if you’d like to recommend a book for us to read or reach out to past episodes, you can visit our website, audible Club.com slide into our DMs on X or Instagram Audible.com podcasts. You can listen us iTunes, Spotify, wherever your podcasts. Please download, subscribe. Five star reviews are really appreciated. Fuck Me Running Keith 4.76 on Goodreads. This book is.

Uh, yeah. Fuck you running all right. Yeah. Have you ever done that? Have you ever participated in that?

No. It’s a line from blow the movie.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That’s right. That’s when they, like, snort it and it’s like really, uh, good quality or whatever.

They’re testing it, they test it and it’s like 161 7180. And he’s like, fuck me.

Oh, Black Betty bam bam comes on. Yeah, I know that movie. Yeah.

Lightbringer. That’s why we’re here. Okay. To be clear to all the listeners out there, one key finish this a lot longer ago than I did. I finished it earlier this week or maybe last week. It is a very long book and there’s so many moving parts in it. So that’s why he’s going to give us a summary, which I’m really going to appreciate as well. But also after looking online, um, at some of the reviews and whatnot, there’s a huge following to these books and we know that, but I didn’t realize that so many people felt that this series was their favorite series. Their favorite book was one of these books. They’ve read them 30 times, that kind of thing. I didn’t realize it went that deep. And I apologize for one not realizing that and two, for us being the people. If you’re listening and you’re one of those people that you’re coming to to to hear our thoughts and takes because I honestly don’t know how people remember everything and all the characters from all these books because so much is going on. This isn’t like a Harry Potter series where you’re just with we got our core three, there’s a couple ancillary characters, and there’s pretty much one throughline that happens through the whole series. Within each book has its own standalone bad guy or whatever the case is. That always turns out to be Voldemort. But, you know, this is 10 billion things going on. So if we screw up a name or we forget something that you think was one of your favorite parts and we didn’t mention it, I’m sorry. Each one of these last three books was 35 hours long, so I just I just wanted that disclaimer. But with that, would you like to give us a little bit of summary about Lightbringer?

Let me try to buzz through this start. Darrow and Cassius are chilling on an abandoned station. They hear several our boys being captured, and they go to rescue them. Little did I know, Apollonius is just waiting for them. Dominates Darrow in a duel. But Sevro comes to the rescue. Them! Lysander, your boy, rebuilds the Morning Star into the Light bringer. He turns into Lanya and says he’ll have his vengeance in this life or the next. They drop into Mars. The bad guys, as that is Mars, kind of gets dominated. Virginia makes a deal with Lysander, though, to to give back and safe passage for the rest of their army. Lysander gets poisoned by his own crew. After the big victory. We head to where Lyria is. Lyra finds Quicksilver, gets figment removed. So much for being a superhero for Lyria. Darrow and Sevro meet up with her and Quicksilver. Quicksilver is like, I’m Jeff Bezos, Elon, I’m getting the fuck out of here. See you later. I don’t give a shit. I’m a billionaire. I don’t need to be on this world anymore. And he’s gone. Lysander and the rim Lysander heads back with the rim squad to defend the rim from.

Sounds sexual.

Yeah, yeah. That’s right. The rim squad. Balsam force attacking the rim. Atlas steps onto his ship, pretends he’s Helios, takes control of the ships, fucks everything up, fucks the ram up. Diomedes escapes, barely in a pod that Darrow and the gang eventually collect. Lysander is captured and says he’ll work with Atlas after he gets captured by them. Darrow and the gang meet up with the daughters. They don’t really like him, but they like Sevro. We get introduced to another character, Athena, who’s another a name for some reason, and we can’t get rid of these names. And who puts Darrow in Diomedes on trial? Lyria goes to Volga, who’s been brainwashed, tries to turn her, but she’s like, nah. And then, um, she’s about to kill Lyria. She decides not to. Darrow emerges, challenges him to a duel, embarrasses up and down. It’s kind of like. Reminds me of the, uh, uh, Green Eggs and Ham book where they’re just, like, jumping around. He’s like, not here, not here, here. He’s just, like, attacking him in every single place while he’s doing that. Okay, anyways, Volga is put in charge. Darrow and Diomedes make a pact with Lysander. Cassius meets up with Lysander, though, and he’s like, let’s fuck up Atlas instead. He agrees. They do it. Atlas comes back, gets fucked up. He brings back this weapon, though. Artemis. Artemis. I forgot the name of it, but that’s basically a weapon that can genocide any color. Cassius is like, all right, let’s destroy it. And he’s like, nah. And kills him instead.

Yeah. Little one ring kind of situation.

Yeah. Unbeknownst to Diomedes and Darrow, they think they’re all in the Allied ship. And then Lysander pulls a fast one, says, oh, you attacked me all this stuff, and then starts bombing the shit out of the rim again, and we leave off there. Does that summarize everything?

It ends with Lysander turning around, realizing he’s not going to fight everyone and deciding to go back to the core, and they’re chasing him back to the core or whatever the case is. They’re returning to the core. They meaning Darrow and crew.

Ten minute intro from us.

Yeah. Holy smokes. You didn’t even necessarily cover, like, so much.

Let’s go into some stock up. Stock down. I guess I’ll start my first stock up is cliff notes. Stock up. I feel like I’ve stocked this up before. Yeah, yeah. And probably for one of these books honestly. But I’m talking about cliff notes for what they’re actually intended for, which I think is all right. I read Pride and Prejudice, but I don’t remember all of it. I’m talking back in the day before the internet, so I’m going to get the cliff notes so I can kind of jog my memory as opposed to how we use them, which was don’t read the book and instead just read the cliff notes. Because even after I read this book, I needed a ten page summary on it, and I appreciate what you just provided. But instead I went to the internet and found some guy who did like a two hour YouTube video where he pretty much went chapter by chapter. And although I appreciate the video, it was quite monotone and it was a tough.

Jokes in.

There. It was a tough listen. No, no cracks, just it.

Was double entendres like we’re known for.

This is why they hire professional voice actors to read books, because this was a tough listen. But it did remind me of some stuff like Virginia was in this book. I totally forgot the entire first part. I remembered the Darrow Apollonius battle with and then Sevro getting freed or freeing himself, whatever the case is. But I forgot that middle portion where Virginia is fighting. I think it was Phobos. I don’t know if it was Mars, but it’s, you know, Phobos is a moon of Mars. So there was that was the initial battle. And she’s fighting Lysander and his army. And Lysander does that cool move where he’s, you know, firing missiles from Earth or whatever the case is pretty cool. But then even at that point, Virginia was in the depths of the moon, releasing Obsidians from the brig and using them. And she’s fighting Apollonius and all this crazy stuff happened. I honestly forgot all of it until I listened to this guy’s thing. Because for me, this book was the story of Darrow kind of losing his powers, so to speak, and then finding them?

Retraining? Yeah.

Yeah. There’s a couple Darrow montages in the movie that would happen. Then it was the story of the rim once again, where just on the rim and the obsidians and the eskamani. But yeah. So to me, it was really that story. But a lot of the people online that I was looking at were saying how it was such a great Virginia book, and I was like, the sovereign wasn’t really in it.

I mean, she had a bounce back book for sure. She actually did stuff and not got got dominated.

She did stuff and battled. You know, she brought back her, her Stang, you know, she had more Mustang action going on in this than just being the sovereign themself. But I mean, I’ll probably get in into it for some love hates, but I really did need some cliff notes for this one because there’s just so many moving parts. So stuck up to them. What else do you have for stuck up?

Mission impossible facelift. Stock up. Pardon me. You know the Mission Impossible, when they, like, molds the face to look like the other person. You know, the classic Mission Impossible thing?

Oh, yeah. Of course, of course.

That’s big in this. I mean, let’s let’s think of, like, two of the biggest swings are balsam for who is using the facelift thing essentially. Right. Like, he’s like a normal person that’s looking and looking like an obsidian. Yeah. And then also.

Is he a normal person or is he an obsidian?

I don’t.

He’s an obsidian.

But he’s like a, like a sophisticated, well trained. I mean, like, they’re like, clearly he’s not an obsidian.

Because he is.

Ragnar’s dad and he is Stef’s dad, and he is, uh.

But.

Maybe he was.

Raised, I don’t know.

But I think his backstory is more that he was he was brought back at some point to Mars to kind of out to be a stud, you know, to raise more of these obsidians. And then he was turned into this character by Atlas Volsung far, so he’s really Wagner Kefka. But he was turned into this character.

Classically trained. And he’s like.

Well, you know, he’s like not the typical.

Yeah, exactly. For sure he’s not. But he is.

It is weird that he’s also like, I’m super into the arts and I can’t wait to go vacation and drink wine. And then he’s like, oh, so I’m gonna go eat this person’s heart after this. Like, that’s like that. He’s just a really good actor. I think.

He’s he’s.

Like a Daniel Day-Lewis.

Exactly right. Which, you know, oddly enough, Last of Mohicans. That’s the first time I ever saw a heart get pulled out. I don’t know if he eats it, though.

Does he know there’s no eating of the heart?

No, wait.

You didn’t see a temple of doom, Indiana Jones?

Oh, right. Yeah. Of course. Well, that.

One.

Was. That one was pretty rugged for a PG movie too. But The Last Mohicans one was a little bit more horrific.

Yeah, for sure, but I’m just saying in terms of firsts, if we’re talking about.

Firsts.

You’re.

Right, you’re right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Everyone remembers their first. My bad. Back to that. So then we also have Atlas who’s pretending to be Helios and he steps up. And so like the two of the biggest movements in the whole war are from people just face lifting and changing who they are and then tricking people. So this should be a common practice. There should be way more regimented things to prevent people and like passwords and codes and other things to stop this. I don’t know, it seems like it’d be a a bigger a bigger issue.

Yeah, it’s actually my only stock down. So I don’t want to I don’t want to necessarily burn it. But I’m gonna have to hear my stock down was Scooby Doo because that’s.

That’s pretty.

Much what, what.

Volsung for.

Yeah, exactly. It’s pretty much what Volsung thought is, you know, and and I and it just stuck down because I don’t like it. I’m not a huge fan of that idea. Volsung for is such an awesome bad guy. He’s so good in this and just in what we think is who he is. Then for them to just Scooby Doo it and you know, he literally takes his mask off. Granted, it’s really just like a voice modulator that he’s using to be scarier, but it turns out he’s a guy who just likes the opera and wears silk kimonos and sips expensive cognac, and would rather have his toes in the sand than be.

King.

For a day.

It’s.

It was like. What? He just wants to retire in peace. He doesn’t want to rule. It’s like this guy’s such a badass. Just why couldn’t he continue to be that badass? And that’s just who he was. And somehow Atlas turned him, so I don’t like it on that level. And additionally, more with the Helios thing, which I wasn’t really following, to be honest with you, but just the idea of the mask thing or you’re. Aha. No, I’m actually this person. It seems a little cheap to me. You know, I’m just. I’m just going to say it. It seems a little a little cheap, granted. I did like the fact that it turns out Atlas was kind of the brains behind this whole bad guy operation, and he’s way more dangerous and way more interwoven into what’s been happening than we ever really knew. All we knew of him was he was a kind of a brutal commander on Mercury. He was very smart, obviously, but he was a brutal commander who put people on spikes and tortured the shit out of people. That was his. That was his thing. But him having control of the original film of Darrow destroying the dockyards, um, is massive. You know, that’s kind of what spurned the whole rim situation to begin with.

Yeah.

And him poisoning Lysander through someone else so that later he would have that leech on him or whatnot so that he wouldn’t end up being fully poisoned. It was. There’s a lot of. He’s just so many steps ahead and having a worthy adversary against Darrow, who always, it seems like in these books, is two steps ahead of everyone. So when Darrow comes in, he’s like, Darrow knows exactly. He’s going to have some crazy plan that’s going to work out, and to have it be Uno reverse card on him. Where now, part of the reason why Darrow is lost is because Atlas is so far ahead of him in this game, and I think Darrow feels like he’s, you know, Austin Powers losing his mojo kind of thing because of it.

Well, it also shows the original brother like Brotherhood or Red rising people. They had been planning this for 50 years, you know, and so they had all this. And then Darrow comes along and leads the movement. So like, they had to reset. And that’s what Atlas did. He’s like, all right, 12 years from now, I’m gonna put this plan in motion. So that’s the Darrow is like, he’s going off the the cuff now instead of having like, a kind of a foundation that he can rely on.

Oh.

Interesting. So it’s like the the NFL quarterback who’s is good for the first 15 scripted plays, but then afterwards, just.

We’re in football.

Season, folks. There’s going to be a lot of football analogies. Let’s get used to it.

I say.

Parlay.

I think there was a couple of parlays.

Yeah.

Victoria or Victoria. Virginia had a had a parlay with Lysander.

Mhm.

Um, well I just burned my stock down. So do you have other stock ups.

Yeah. Self-Help books. Stock up. Oh Daryl gets handed a book in the beginning of the.

Yeah.

There’s a lot of this.

Book and he’s kind of like quoting it all the time and referencing it. We always, we always know that he references death begets death begets death, which is a great, great line. He always.

Referencing.

That’s a Lorna. Our coastline.

Yeah.

So that’s a different. Yeah. That was just one. He had been referenced forever in this book series. But then he gets his new book and he’s kind of like all about it and he’s like quoting it and stuff like that. It was kind of weird. Maybe I just I feel like once you’re plus 30, you can’t really just adopt a new philosophy or book, unless you’re kind of like in one to get into cults. You know what I mean? Unless I’m mistaken. Is there any, like, book that you’re, like, referencing all the time? I mean, we read a lot of books here. Is there any book that you’re, like, going back to the. Well, I mean, obviously Harry Potter for us, that’s not like some self-help book we’re referencing. Is there anything that you use?

Self-Help book?

I don’t know, doesn’t need self-help, just like where you’re like, oh, yeah, that’s my this is like, you know, something I believe in because of, you know, I don’t know, some alchemist.

No, I’m just kidding.

Um.

Atomic habits is the only book that I actually like think about when it’s, uh, you know, for for my daily. And I don’t think about it on the daily. But if someone was to say like, oh, I can’t seem to wake up at the same time in the morning, I’m like, well, fucking figure it out.

What does.

That say to, like, prevent the nuclear bomb and just figure it out or what’s what is.

That?

It’ll tell you just just to do it, you know? Like, what do you mean? Just just create a habit and do it or get some sort.

Of self-help book is pretty much.

Uh, no. I usually reference it more for like habit stacking, which is a great one, which is basically, if you need to do something, combine it with something that you’re already doing. So if you feel like, hey, I don’t work out at all, I should do ten push ups. Then you brush your teeth in the morning, after you brush your teeth, do ten push ups every single time. Okay, so when you brush your teeth, it’s like, oh, there we go. Brush my teeth, do ten push ups.

I thought it was going to be more of like combining a positive with a negative. Oh, I don’t want to do dishes, but I’m gonna be able to eat ice cream while I do them. Bang! You know what I mean?

Like, well, that could be a two. You don’t want to do the dishes. So some people like to let the ice cream sit for a couple minutes, which is sacrilege. I like my ice cream. Ice ice cold. But some people like to let it sit. So it’s like, hey, I don’t want to do the dishes. When I take the ice cream out of the fridge, put it on the counter, do the dishes when I’m done, then I get to eat the ice cream.

Mm.

Okay. Yeah, it could be like that. You know.

You throw a little.

Sprinkles on there or what? Because I’m a big sprinkle guy.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Big sprinkle.

Guy. Okay I love that.

Well the chocolate ones right.

Jimmy’s Jimi?

Yeah. Of course. The path is the name of the book, and I akinde it to more of something like reading, like a Alexander the Great, reading the Art of War, or something along those lines.

Or.

Or Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. It’s actually quite similar to Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, as is how I I feel about it.

Okay.

And I also think Lauren Arcos is probably more of a Marcus Aurelius type character, but like a general one, you know? So he was super badass at war, but also very pensive and had big ideas. I tried to read it once. It’s it’s like Mitch Hedberg, you know, Mitch Hedberg.

Yeah.

It’s like Mitch Hedberg for philosophy, which is why it’s enjoyable.

Non-sequiturs constantly.

Yeah. And it’s more of just a sentence that’s. Wow, that’s very thoughtful. But it’s only a sentence. I don’t have to read a hundred pages.

To.

Figure out what the philosophy is. philosophy is, and there’s lots of them. So you can just kind of keep keep going. It’s like a Mitch Hedberg skit. So yeah, the path is what I was reading. But you don’t support men in their 30s reading books. Okay, cool.

Well, yeah.

It’s.

Just weird to, like.

Adopt a new. I mean, it’s kind of like, oh, I just started CrossFit, and you have to tell everyone about it, you know? You know, I mean, I don’t really understand the whole, you know, developing a whole new personality based off of something.

So the woman on jeopardy! Last night who during when they asked the contestants, she goes, oh, I’m an Olympic lifter now. I just picked up Olympic lifting.

And.

Picked it up, pun intended, or.

I don’t get it.

And it was like, all right, cool. And she was like, Ken, you should try it. He’s like, yeah, definitely.

Was she.

Massive?

No. Well, maybe, but not in the way you’d think. I definitely didn’t look like an Olympic lifter, but hey, you know what? I ain’t gonna yuck anyone’s yum. Good for her. Good for her. She probably can guaranteed lift more weights than I can. So I respect her. Uh, stock up for me a flow state. Stock up. People say it a lot. Ooh! Enter. I entered a flow state. Or even in sports, a little flow state thing going on. Never really understood. It never happened to me. We’ve been talking before. We got on about how I picked up golf. I’d love to be in a flow state. All I am is in a consistent, angry state of how bad I am, so there’s never any flow going on. But when Darrow eventually gets his mojo back in this, he goes. He goes like full neo in From the Matrix against Volsung. It’s like he’s getting his ass beat neo in the hallway. Of course, at the end of the original matrix, he’s getting his ass beat. Cannot figure this out, but somehow. Because because Volsung is all about knows his will away. Bullshit. He’s like, I’ve seen this will away. I’m not worried about it. And Darrow just enters this mind space where he realizes, Kassius said, you know, use the circle, don’t use your boots, this, that and the other thing. But he realized he can kind of stay inside. Volsung fasgadh, but be moving and never get hit. And just kind of a little bit of a rope a dope aspect to. And then in that moment is able to create.

He did to the rope a dope good comment.

His.

Own fighting style. So he tires Volsung far out and then he’s just slowly starts taking piece after piece, you know, first it’s a spike and then it’s another one, and then it’s a finger, and then he’s slicing his leg and it’s this is one of the scenes that would be super cool to see especially I mean, if you look up any of the and I encourage other people to do it the the renderings from fans or whatnot of Volsung for he’s so badass, like so badass. And to see them in a ring together doing, you know, this dance would be phenomenal. It’s almost like a Rocky movie is what it was. But in this world that we’ve grown to love so much, it’s, you know, like Rocky movie meets Star Wars meets Middle-Earth kind of thing. So I’m all for it. I love that, and I’m big on the flow state. I gotta figure out how to get into one.

I also liked that he. This is a big thing. When I was growing up, my dad had always brought up is like when you’re nervous or whatever you’re or you’re in a pressure situation, you just revert back to what you’re been practicing. So that’s why it’s so important to always be practicing the right way. Otherwise, when you get nervous, you’ll just go back right to it. What are you the bad habits?

Okay.

And he he went right to the well his way, even though he knew not to. And he was like, oh shit, I forgot, you know, because he was just so used to it that, uh, it took him a little while to, like, snap out of that.

Yeah, he had to lose himself in it and just refind himself. And it was a culmination of what had been happening. The whole book with him and Atlas and him also not being able to fight beforehand and not doing super well, so it was great. Big fan. My last one was George Washington. Stock up. Familiar with him?

Um.

I’m familiar across the river at some point or something.

Right?

His teeth were made of wool. Big daddy? Yeah. So, uh, he crossed the river. Delaware. George Washington notoriously refused to be king of this country. They were clamoring for him to be the king. And he said no. That’s the whole point of this whole thing was we didn’t want any kings. So no thank you. And he served two terms. They wanted to him to continue serving. And he said, no, I’m I’m stepping down. This was the whole point of this whole thing was no, no kings. So I respect the shit out of that. And I also respect the shit out of Darrow, who after this whole Volsung battle, everyone saying the shamans and whatnot are like, are you killed him? So by our ways, you are now the king of the obsidian because he was the king of obsidian. And now you’re the king. And Daryl’s like, ah, nah, I don’t think so. And basically uses an idea that Volsung was a fake king. So because of that, he wasn’t actually king. So Daryl killing him couldn’t make Darrow King. So now they have to vote on who’s going to rule them, which is some next level thinking especially. I couldn’t imagine after just having that battle how your brain would even be intact.

But it’s kind of like the Harry Potter Elder wand.

Oh yeah.

This guy kills this guy, and this guy.

Is like, yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly. And so they just, uh, they go they go to a vote and and Volga takes it, even though Daryl pulls another United States trick of basically putting up who he wants to be the leader of the people.

Yeah. That’s right.

He puts all the pressure in the right places to ensure that Volga is the leader. But yeah, either way, George Washington, good for you. Stock up. Thanks. Thanks for creating that. And unfortunately what it’s created. But yes appreciate you. Uh stock down. What do you.

Got?

Stock down the ice bucket challenge. Um, not the charity part. That was great. But after reading roughly 85 hours of red rising Straight and just being in a different world and just going to my car and just, you know, getting in that warm blanket of the Red rising world, just having having that there. I mean, that’s literally three days of just.

Yeah, that’s.

Three days of driving. That’s when you’re listening to it. When you.

Drive.

I drive, I like, well, like take breaks from work and just lie in my bed and listen to.

And oh yeah, play.

Tower games.

Yeah.

So it’s just it’s just a nice, relaxing thing to do to go from that to the juxtaposition between that 85 hours to these 11 hours of our next book. Spoiler alert is, my friends, it is quite the ice bucket to the face it is. Oh, we’re back to the real world. Everything sucks. In the real world. Everything’s terrible. You should depressed. I was like, what the hell? What is.

This? Yeah.

So that was not what I thought this was gonna be. Because the problem, I mean, I’m kind of spoiling the next book, but the problem with when we read Frederick Bachman, it was like, really, like, kind of uplifting story the first time we read it.

Yeah. Anxious people.

Yeah. And you were like, oh, anxious people is a misnomer. I thought it was going to be super depressing. It is not. And this one is.

Like.

Rallying behind a bank robber.

Or something like that. This is called Dog Day Afternoon.

And I thought it was gonna be like the most positive. Yeah. Remember the good old days? And. No, this is the worst thing ever. So anyways, terrible transition for us. We’re gonna have to get back into something after this one. This is, uh. I already miss Red rising, so.

Yeah, it’s funny how we’ve done back to back to back Red risings, and this is probably out of our however many episodes. This is one of our longer hiatuses, I’d say, as a whole between the three books, just because I think we did the three books all summer and there’s just super long books. But because of that, we’ve been in there and I read these in much shorter bursts, which is why it took me so long. You know, I’d be listening to a half hour here, and then I’d say, oh, wait, what was that? So I’d go back the last five minutes or so. But I’ve been in this world for so long that I almost forgot there were other books that weren’t. Pierce Brown. Sci fi epics. And so we like two pages into this new book. I was like, wait, what?

Okay, wait. What? What’s happening?

Yeah, we’re.

We’re on the real world. What the hell?

We’re not in space, and people aren’t putting each.

Other on spikes and, yeah.

Stab the person with it. Why? Why would he not do that? Yeah.

Yeah, it was definitely some cold water. If you want a real funny ice bucket challenge, you’ve seen the 50 cent.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

I read one page.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. One page of Harry Potter book.

Is.

Uh, amazing. It really is. But we had to read 50 hours of just this book, so there we go. And we didn’t have to. We loved it. Uh, like I said, I don’t have any other shutdowns because I did my Scooby Doo one. and honestly, I didn’t. I couldn’t really think of another one. So that’s where we are. Did you have another one?

My last one is, uh, more of a shot against the bow. Here is, uh.

Against her across.

Across. I don’t know, how do you say that phrase? Yeah. Demons. Clairvoyancy, uh, stock down. And, uh, to reference my dad again, I always thought that word was clear buoyancy. Because he’s a Boston accent. Because he’s a clear buoyancy.

Buoyancy?

Yeah. And I was like, he’s like, what are you, clairvoyant? And I’m like, I don’t know what that means, but I assume it means. But it’s Claire. Apparently. So anyways, but last episode, while I was editing it, I got a few quotes from Demon Witch such as Lysander is like Luke Skywalker.

Quote unquote.

He’s a good person, quote unquote. I’m rooting for him, quote unquote. I will take your apology now, because I’ve been on the Lysander is a huge bitch from day one. And I want I want the apology. Where is.

It?

Well, Lysander although kills Cassius. I mean, he doesn’t directly do it.

He kind of uses it.

Well. Oh, sorry. He does, but I meant he does. But also Cassius, he does it in a in a fake way. It’s not like he goes and they have a razor battle and he he kills.

He waits.

Until he’s pretty much.

Dead.

Yeah, exactly. And then pulls out a gun.

And shoots him. Talk about.

Indiana Jones. He does the Indiana Jones movie. I did think that was really interesting writing there, too, when he kills him because he’s he’s like, I didn’t know if Cassius was actually going to kill me or not. Like, because Cassius gets an, you know, an inch away from killing Lysander before he is able to, like, shoot him six times to kill him. And he’s like, I don’t know if he did and if he, like, fell on me or if he hugged me like a brother, like, I don’t even know. It’s going to mess Lysander up for sure. A lot of therapy. But I was not happy there for sure. Not because when Lysander came back into the fold, when Darrow and Diomedes and Cassius came to him, I was like, this is what I’m talking about. Lysander’s been under the heel of Atalanta or whatever the the that woman’s name is and Atlas, and now he’s found a way out. He’s seen the light, so he’s found a way out. And for him to turn heel in that moment, it definitely felt like a WWE type situation. Yeah. But at the same time, the book is light bringer. And they did say in there that Atlas said, or someone said to him, you know, you’re going to bring the light. There is more to come from this story. We’re not sure what his final place is going to be. Do you think he’s going to be the ultimate bad guy?

Wasn’t he like, I’m gonna genocide the Reds or the gold? Just a matter of which one I decide.

But he’s a.

Gold.

Yeah, but he’s going to do it on a planet that he’s not on.

Yeah.

And also, would Darrow’s kids die?

Oh.

I don’t know how they mix, breed.

Or would they? Definitely not.

Because the.

Other, you know, several. Well. Several himself.

Be like.

Uh. Yeah.

What’s that? Uh, ya book? Uh, divergent. It could be that they’re.

Like, divergent.

They can’t be killed. Oh, well, that’s the whole thing is.

Like, divergent.

Divergence can’t be controlled because they’re like mixes of, like, different houses, essentially.

Anyways, all.

I’m saying is, we don’t know Lysander has a part to play in this. He could be Gollum, you know, and his part could be that he helps Darrow bring the ring, which is this bomb, to a place that it’s not supposed to be, and Darrow gets rid of it. You know, he has a part to play, though, so? So I’m not 100% sure which it could get me to a stock down that I didn’t even think of, which is stock down having six books, including the final trilogy, which is 90 hours, and we’re still nowhere near understanding what is happening with this story. It’s it’s evolved so many times. It started off as a extreme y, A school type thing, then went into a rebellion, then a civil war, and now more war. That’s definitely not civil, and I have no idea where we’re going here, I really don’t. It could go any which way, which is maybe a positive, but in my mind kind of a negative, just because there’s so many plot lines to tie up. It’s like a George R.R. Martin type of thing where there’s just so many plot lines going on. How are you going to tie these all up nicely? And who is it? One more book. Is it three more books? I have no idea.

Hmm.

Yeah, well, hey, listen, the best series of all time is seven books, so I’m okay with the seventh. As long as we, uh, get some closure, you know?

Yeah, it was a lot less pages, though.

Not that I mind. Not that I mind, I don’t mind pages I don’t.

Mind, I don’t mind pages.

Did you have a favorite part or favorite.

Storyline in this one?

Yeah, I think it’s got to go to I think both character and uh, part for me is going to be Darrow. I think this is his finally his, like, coming of age coming back to the fold book, because we talked about the first two books where he’s kind of like reacting. He’s not really ahead of the game anymore. He’s he’s at quarterback after.

The.

First 15.

Plays.

Bill Belichick changes the defense on him. And he thinks he’s running the running cover two. And they’re not.

Anymore. Jared Goff.

In the Super.

Bowl.

Yeah exactly. That’s a great analogy right there. We’re back. We’re completely back. But I thought he had a much better book. He had a lot of surprises. And then the classic Darrow fashion was when Lyria is about to get killed or like considering getting killed and they’re like, oh, what’s coming out of this? Like, I don’t even know what it was. It was like a sea creature, right?

The Leviathan.

Yeah, yeah. What’s coming out of this? And I was like, no way, no way they did it. And then they came out and I was I started clapping. I was like, yeah. So that’s the that’s the classic Darrow of like. It reminded me again of the, the first book when they’re like hiding in the.

Mud.

Or something.

Like that, hiding in the horse’s belly.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It’s just beautiful.

Yeah.

So that brought me back, and I appreciated it. What about you?

Yeah, it was a Darrell.

Book for me. For sure. For the. For the same reasons. I mean, he had he was once again our main character. And it wasn’t the Darrow that we’ve known. It was a Darrow that’s questioning himself. He once again did the right thing and didn’t think about his son one time, uh, but instead thought about the people. Yeah. Yeah. I think his arc was the best of the arcs. I think that obviously you could say it’s a Volsung book because he was such an important character. Or Atlas, perhaps, but they were more drivers of the other characters. I feel like Lysander had a turn, but I wouldn’t say this was his book because he was. It felt like he was under the heel the whole time. He was almost a prisoner. And then you’re realizing, oh, maybe he’s not, you know, maybe he’s more than than we imagined. I guess you could potentially make a case for Cassius. Granted, that’s almost tied to Lysander like that relationship. And there is that great line that whoever the pink is that ends up with Diomedes, I can’t remember what her name is, Rona or something. She says to Darrow about Cassius, which was when he was asking like, oh, did you ever think you could have got, you know, you and Cassius could have been an item or something like that after he died? And she said something along the lines of like, oh, he didn’t he didn’t need the love of a partner. He needed the love of a brother. And Darrow and Cassius, his relationship was really cemented in this one. And I, I really, I really, really liked that aspect of this book because Cassius is such an interesting character. I feel like because he has so many turns and he’s such a good person at heart, but he was brought up in this society, and it seems like the entire time since he killed Aries, the whole thing has really been him trying to. What’s the word I’m looking for? Like recompense or something like that? He’s trying. He’s trying to reconcile that to some degree, and it’s best that he knows how. And he found Lysander and felt, oh, if I can take this loon and make him a good person or, you know, show him love that I can do it. And it didn’t work out the way he wanted to. And he was looking for that brother, and he had it the whole time in Dara. So yeah, I think Darrow, but I think there’s a case to be made for, for a couple other ones too.

Yeah.

I would throw in Diomedes in there too. Honorable, honorable, honorable gentleman.

Yeah.

Diomedes is just. Yeah. He just seems like one of those British lords that true to his word kind of guy.

I’d say Irish lords. How about.

That.

Irish? Oh, yeah. Sure.

Sure. Yeah. British.

Come on.

Bro.

Well, I just, you know, like a night, like a, you know, a kick ass duke.

Okay, I see what you’re saying. Like knights of the round table type type thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. One of those guys.

Uh, what about love? What did you love about, like.

Yeah, love. I mean, it’s going to be some of the same as before, but the twists and turns, really, they just keep on coming at you. You never know what’s going to happen. You never know where it’s going. If he wanted to, he could get a whole book on Darrow’s son at the new academy and what that’s like compared to the first book, and how they’re training him and how his growth is going to change. We see him for three pages. You know, he was a main character last book, and now we don’t even hear from him. We I don’t think we heard at all from, uh, was it Elektra? What’s her what’s, uh, the daughter of.

Yeah.

Yeah. So I don’t think we’ve seen her one time, which.

Is all.

We get about Pax is what we get about Vader in A new Hope before we actually see Vader. Or we even know it’s just. It’s Luke’s dad. All we hear about Luke’s dad is like, he’s a great star pilot.

Like, that’s.

All you hear about packs. Like, yeah, he is his own ship now. It’s like, oh, okay.

Yeah. No, I appreciated that. Uh, the other thing I loved, uh, I didn’t have a ton just because I think there I just liked a lot of it. Cui bono gets referenced, aka the departed. Who benefits? Who gives a shit?

You know, it’s. Yeah, it’s.

Got a bow on it.

Anytime the departed reference.

Comes up.

I’m gonna love.

It.

Uh, we were scrolling through some some movies. You know, when you’re in that right before September started, there’s no new TV or anything on. Football hasn’t started yet. I’m talking to the wife. I’m like, hey, what do you want to watch a movie? She’s like, yeah, maybe. I scroll across The Departed. I was like, oh, done, let’s watch departed. She’s like, I don’t think so. She said, I don’t think so. I was like, you don’t think so? I got up, I started making the guest bed, said, all right, fine.

You don’t think so? That’s that’s funny because it’s going on.

Yeah, yeah, that’s the.

Fact of the matter. Uh, no. What is a big pet peeve of mine, though, is that when clips on YouTube come up and you watch them and you’re like, Holy shit, that movie is money. And then you realize it’s just like three clips from the movie that are good. That’s not the part of the part.

It’s amazing.

But like, um, show me the money movie. I’ve watched that a few times, and every time I’m like.

Oh, this.

Movie kind of sucks outside of like three clips of.

It.

You’re watching Jerry.

Maguire. I watched it recently.

Wow. I always think it’s better than it is. That’s one of those ones that tricks you. But there’s like a bunch of those movies that trick you that have, like, really good 1 or 2 really good scenes that you’ll see on YouTube that pop up and you’re like, oh, I gotta rewatch that. And then you watch it and you’re like, oh, this movie sucks. Other than this one clip.

I guess you do love rom coms, so it’s like rom coms and sports.

Yeah.

Well, first of all, hitch doesn’t have one. Not one single frame is bad in hitch. Every single frame is perfect.

Okay.

Yeah, sure.

If you say so.

We did a review.

On that, sir. Everyone agree with.

Me.

My loves. I think sevro. Learning about Ulysses was pretty heartbreaking. I didn’t love that aspect, but I just zefrose a character we haven’t really talked about. And I’m not exactly sure because there was some alluding to that he was in the chair. Whatever that chair is that fucks with your brain that the abomination Agius had him in that chair in like Manchurian Candidate brainwashed him, but it didn’t come up at all. And it seemed like, I don’t know if it’s going to, but maybe in the next book it’ll be something will trigger him and it’s going to be Darrow versus Sevro or something. He’s going to have to kill Sevro, I have no idea. But they insinuated that Sevro was affected by that chair. Either way, we get a weird a weird sevro in this one because he doesn’t want he doesn’t want to really be with Darrow, but he is. Him and Darrow have some issues from the jump, and Darrow’s more into Cassius than he is into Sevro, but then he ends up taking up the helm again for the daughters of Aries. Uh, yeah. I don’t I honestly don’t know how I really felt about Sevro on this. And he feels.

It.

Seems like he feels like he’s only the goblin and he’s not the man.

Well, you gotta.

Think the whole relationship with Sevro and Darrow has never really been that buddy buddy. It’s always been there, like, bonded by war, almost. You know what I mean? We might have missed the ten years when they were fighting together, but like the first book, he doesn’t even recognize Sevro until he sees him out in, like, the wild with a cloak on. And he’s like, all right, I’ll join up with you type of thing. And then the second book, they’re not even together anymore. And then the third book, right. He saves him. So it’s just like there’s not really like this, like, bonding moment ever. Him and Cassius had way more of a bond, I feel like.

Yeah I agree. It just seems like since the academy or the institute or whatever, Sevro has been his toy. Like something he uses, like a tool. Maybe not a toy, but a tool. Whereas they worked together and made decisions together to some degree. And then once Sevro started leading the rebellion as Aries and Darrow comes back and has all these problems with it, he’s like, dude, this ain’t an easy job. Like, I’ve been trying to hold it up for you, so give me a break. And since then, it’s just nothing necessarily seems right. And I just wanted to chill out and be a good dad to his daughters. And Darrow was like, no, you’re coming to war with me. So, yeah, I don’t know. I just I feel like there’s going to be something there and I don’t know what, but I didn’t really necessarily, like, love the situation. Uh, even though this is in the love section. Cassie is being betrayed by Lysander. That one was tough. Like I said, there were a few. There are a few of these that actually hit you in the heartstrings. And those two were were one of them. Uh, like I also said, I loved Atlas being the bad guy, you know, real strategist. I like that, you know, kind of better than Darrow. But then them still being able to to figure to figure that one out. Yeah. Diomedes big fan I’m fan. I’m not a huge fan of the rim in general, although I do do like they’re kind of like Russian World War Two attitude of just like, all right, we’re eating canned goods if we can. You know, no one eats better than anybody else. We all do it together. We wear rags. You know, they’re not the pompous golds of the core. They wear dented and dirty armor, but they don’t even care. They’re just gritty. So I like that. That’s about it. What about hates?

Uh, hate wise, I didn’t understand why Lysander doesn’t like Darrow. It seems like it should be a one way street. Seems like Darrow should be the only one that, like that hates Lysander. But Lysander is like, oh, I hate. It’s like, why? Like he killed your grandmother. But you don’t like your grandmother. You found that out, that she’s evil. And he probably was a good thing. He spared your life. I guess he’s upset that there’s a war going on, but.

Well.

Darrow fucked up the whole society.

Lysander knows the society wasn’t good. I mean, he he’s trying to restore it to his image of what society should be. But like, I don’t understand that I shouldn’t really draw hate from you. It should just be like you think that way. I think that where is like the hate should come from. Like I said, like Lysander is waging war against his people. He’s killed Cassius, he’s killed his protege. He’s sabotaged him. When he took him in, he threw a razor through his chest. Like there’s a lot more things that that Darryl should be upset about with him. And Lysander is like, I’m not meeting with him. I’m like, what? Why do you care? Like, Darryl should be the one that’s pissed, so I didn’t understand that.

Yeah, I think they also have philosophical differences in the sense of Lysander sees what Darrow’s doing with the society as unneeded slaughter and death and destruction because. Okay, yeah, you want to change things, but all you’ve done in the last ten years is disrupt something. Where? Yeah, okay, maybe it wasn’t perfect, but we didn’t have blood and guts in the streets. Maybe he blames them for that as well. But I get your point? I get your point. Just trying to play devil’s advocate here.

Yeah. Okay.

My hate and this is going to go. This goes so deep. But there’s just there’s too many threads. Honestly I can’t not only can I not wrap my head around them, but I feel like Pierce Brown couldn’t necessarily either. The abomination Agius who we don’t we like hear from very shortly in the last book and.

Then.

He’s not addressed.

I don’t mind him not being in it at all, to be fair.

But I don’t think he should have.

Been in it for the first place. We talked about this in the last one. I don’t you know, I don’t I’m not a big fan of the of the clone situation, but it also just doesn’t make a ton of sense. They have several the abomination and the Bone Riders. They have Sevro who is their number one enemy. It’s not Darrow the the Bone Riders. Number one enemy is Sevro and they decide to auction him off. What? Why would you auction him off? Why wouldn’t you hold on to him? So maybe. Okay. They had him in the chair. They’re auctioning him off so that he can eventually get freed or something. Uh, okay. But after they auction them off, they they’re not heard from again. They don’t seem to have any ploy or anything going on. Yes, I can guarantee you it will be a thing in the next one, but it just seems weird to have an entire book where he’s not in it. And then Apollonius puts Sevro in a maximum security prison, but Sevro just somehow escapes, and they don’t really say how he escapes, but he has all these bombs and whatnot. It’s like I’m playing GoldenEye. All of a sudden it’s just pass key card and open prison door.

That sounds like a love. I don’t know what.

The issue is. What do you say?

Lyria and the whole figment plot? I had some interesting ideas about it. Obviously, they were way off base, and I just don’t understand it. It wasn’t necessary. It was. The only thing it served was a way for everyone to get to Quicksilver. But why have this whole figment thing and explaining that, oh, this thing that’s in her brain, there’s like 14 of them and they were able to you could wage war from light years away. It’s like, well, what did you just took it out of her head. And that was that wiped your hands of it. So it didn’t make any sense. You know, it leads us to like, oh, that’s not a moon is a space station. Uh, Star Wars with the, uh, Oculus where Quicksilver is hiding out. He’s got these tabula rasa, this homo sapien children that he birthed or something, and he’s going to take them on this space station far away and just create a new civilization. Yes, I’m sure that’s going to be in next books or whatnot, but what what are we doing here? Uh, what purpose did Athena and the daughter of Ares serve? You know, it’s the whole thing was like, okay, there’s Darrow’s, like, there’s these daughters of Ares, and they have bodies and they have ships. We’re going to go, Virginia. We’re going to go to the rim to get them and then come back. It’s like, okay, cool. But Darrow, just like we talked about, he just has a speech and then they’re like, all right, we’ll decide what your fate is after this whole thing’s over. Well. All right. It’s just there’s there’s so many things that didn’t seem to make a ton of sense. And even the docs video that I talked about before it was, oh, Atlas had done it, but then someone else said that someone else did it. That was confusing also. Even in smaller detail, the Volsung for being Ragnar’s dad, which he is. But Ragnar’s said he never saw his dad and or he did see his dad once and they did something and he’s like, oh yeah, we went fishing with him or something along those lines. But Atlas is like, they never saw him. So these are all in different books, but they.

Confusing.

The shit out of.

Me. So exactly.

They contradict each other. There’s just too many contradictions where I feel like he has so many threads going on that he’s trying to, like, weave them together. And sometimes there’s a miss. And because we’re also a little confused. We don’t. You can’t call him out for it. It’s almost like a political debate or something where they just start talking nonsense and everyone’s confused. So then they get off scot free because no one understood. Which is basically the entire thing that I just said. So there we go.

All right.

Well, I don’t disagree, but I also don’t know if I can agree. I don’t.

I’m confused. That’s the point.

That’s the point.

Yeah.

Listen, we can all agree that getting off scot free is, what, the name of the game. We all want to do that.

Yeah, just just too many threads. That was really my only hate. And it’s a fun story. It’s just I’m. When you. Then we read the next book and they’re talking about, you know, the abomination Adrius and this plan that he has, I’m going to say that was 40 hours ago. That was 40 hours of reading books ago. Do I have to now reread the second book so that I can remember what happened? So just not a huge, huge fan of that. I’m an idiot. Sorry, can’t remember that.

Far.

I also read it a lot quicker, so I felt like I started getting a much bigger, better grasp of things in this book. But like, it’s the same thing as as Game of Thrones. If you watch one episode and then wait a week and then one episode and then they’re like, remember this guy from season two? And it’s like, who and what family is that from? And what’s their, you know, like. But if you watched it all together, it’s like, yeah, I remember that guy.

So that’s a great analogy.

It really is because I watch Game of Thrones when it came out. Granted, I was a huge fan of the books and I would read, you know, the articles and whatnot during the week between episodes. And so I had a very good grasp of what was happening in that series. But, you know, before every episode, we’d have to pause it a bunch of times, like when the episodes were on or after an episode and explain to people in the room what what was going on when you binge it, it goes a lot. It’s a lot easier to understand. But even even then, you know, the wife is asking me like, hey, who’s that character? I’m like, oh, you remember four episodes ago.

You have to watch the previously on which most, most shows. I skipped those, but it’s like, well, we gotta watch this to see what happens.

That’s what we need for this book.

Yeah.

But for each section.

Yeah, exactly. Before each like mini book within the book, they need a previously on and.

Just.

Kind of lead us in the direction. The thing I like about the previously on it leads you into what’s going to happen in that episode.

You know, and I.

Will say I loved it in the The Mitch Rapp series when they’re like, and Mitch Rapp walks into the room, let me tell you about Mitch Rapp. He’s the most attractive person ever. He paid the cross for it. I’m like, yes, give me all. Feed me this. You know what I mean? Like, I want to get amped up again. So give me the backstories again. I don’t I don’t hate it.

Yeah. He went to the Potomac and swam for miles.

He won the race, but he didn’t. He didn’t put his name.

In, so nobody.

Knows it was.

Him.

He did an Ironman at 5 a.m., finished before nine, got on the computer. No one knew it was him. Classic Mitch Rapp.

Okay, Keith, would you recommend this book? How many bodies have you given it and who’s it for?

Yeah, I mean, I think I like this way more than you did. I thought it was a 4.5 five buddies before I started reading the next book. And then now I’m like, it’s 4.75. That’s how much it bumped up. Got a full a quarter score bump up. I mean, like I told you, I got done with it. And I was like, I don’t know what to do anymore. It really was a long part of, uh, a couple weeks for me. And, you know, those books that you’ll remember what you’re doing when you’re reading them or.

Listening to them? Yeah.

Like when I was in Australia, we did, um, Shogun. And so anytime I think of Shogun, I think of Australia. It’s like the tied to that. It’s like kind of like this book where, like, you know.

What.

Were you doing during this book?

What do you.

Remember? But I’ll remember it when I when it comes back. I really appreciate it. I think it’s you got to you got to get to this book. If you’ve read the first five, obviously, I just recommended it to someone I spoke with over the weekend where I was at like a get together. They had read the first three and they’re like, oh, they’re a little too too young for me. Like because he’s like into big fantasy. And I was like, no, get get into this. Like, you’ll, you’ll like this way more characters. He’s like, oh, perfect. That’s what I like. I’m like, yeah.

So yeah, that’s the person.

I was talking to, a buddy who’s a big Brandon Sanderson fan. And I was like, I think the second trilogy might be on that level, you know. So I gave it four, four, two, five buddies. I love I liked it a lot. You know, I think my qualms are more of, you know, we’re having a conversation here and, uh, if we’re just going to sit here and jo each other about it, that’s not really that interesting. But, um, at the same time, you know, I do have some issues, which is why it’s not a five. I think my big honestly, my biggest issue is with the fan base that they all hate Red rising and love all the other books because I fucking loved Red rising.

Yeah, I don’t get that. It makes me feel like I’m the biggest idiot.

That they say, oh, that was a dumb book about one little thing, and now there’s so many more.

Things going on. Great.

That’s why Star Wars is great.

So maybe I was just a little spurned because everyone was saying, and I’d say everyone, but a lot of people were saying this was the best of all the books. And I thought, Morning Star, if you’re going to be on those lines like Morning Star was better in my mind. But, um, yeah, that’s just that’s just how I feel. But that’s the best part about all this stuff is we get to sit here, we get to debate about it, we get to hear from people and hear what they got to say. So yeah, 4.5 I mean, there’s no real reason to say who it’s for. If, you know, no one’s picking this book up that hasn’t picked up, the other.

Ones would.

Be psychopath. So, uh, imagine. Jesus. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So that’s that’s what it’s for. And unfortunately, that’s the end of the saga for now. I don’t know when read God, I think that’s the next one. I don’t know when that’s even coming out. But this was 2023. So yeah, maybe maybe next year he’s he’s going to be working on it. But if that isn’t the culmination then what are we going to have to wait another. We’re going to be like 80. It’s going to be another George R.R. Martin situation.

Don’t say that.

Don’t you dare.

So, uh, Keith, that was Lightbringer. What do we got coming up next?

I already referenced it a little bit earlier, but we got my friends by Frederick Bachman coming up. Strap in for the real world.

So I.

I don’t know how we’ve somehow fallen into, like, seven books about art in the last year.

I don’t. How does this happen to us?

I mean, this is going to be a spoiler for the next book. Can you name one famous artist currently that’s alive other than Banksy?

Uh.

Just one that’s like. No. So it doesn’t make any sense that they’re famous artists unless they’re a teenager in a Ninja Turtle. I don’t fucking want to hear about it.

Okay.

Uh, that’s very well said. Yeah, it’s just funny when this art, when it started with this art stuff, I was like, wait, this is another art book. We we are meat and potatoes kind of guys. And we somehow are falling into our seventh book about art. Yeah, only one of them was on purpose, I think, and that was more about an art heist than art itself.

Right, right.

That’s Good call.

Which, thinking about it, that was. I was reading that when my daughter was born, so that’s, uh. Well. And I was well, and I was reading Harry Potter. How is that possible? Oh, maybe I was at the hospital. Whatever. Doesn’t matter. I was reading Harry Potter definitely when she was born, that’s for sure. But. Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, Lightbringer, that was it. We’ll see you for my friends. My friends, my friends. Yeah. I’m not hating it by by any means. So let’s not, uh, say that it sucks. I think it’s it’s enjoyable. The only the good part is I. It’s making me fall asleep, that’s for sure. I listen to it at night. Oh, my God. Puts me right out. But. All right. Good to hear your dulcet tones and I’ll catch you. Uh, probably like next week or the week after for, uh, my friends.

Alrighty. All right.

Sounds good.

Bye now. Bye now.