Project Hail Mary – Andy Weir – Episode 23
The Buddies launch themselves into Project Hail Mary, by Andy Weir. Things got off to a Rocky start once they realized the book is a sci-fi thriller in the vain of The Martian and not a reference to the famed Roger Staubach Hail Mary pass. Good Buddy, Magic (@nicoitaliano13) joined the pod (and supplied his best Rocky voice), as the buddies discussed a variety of topics including, Microsoft Excel, Tape Measures, and the best way to die in space.
Intro: (0:00-4:31)
Favorite Scene (4:32-9:30)
Stock Up/Down (9:31-35:08)
Favorite Character (35:09-37:13)
Love/Hate (37:14-51:45)
Listener Mail (51:46-56:24)
Casting the Movie (56:25-59:35)
Conclusion (59:36-1:02:03)
Next Book: PERCY JACKSON: THE LIGHTING THIEF by RICK RIORDAN
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All right. Welcome to Buddy Book Club. I’m Dylan here with my crewmate and fellow intrepid Explorer Keith. That’s Iridium for what’s up, Buddy? Well done. Well done. We’re breaking down some bestselling dollars. In this week, we’ll be discussing Andy Weir’s latest novel, Project Hail Mary. If you’d like to recommend a book for us to read or reach out to us about any past episodes, you can visit our website, Buddybookhop.com, or sign into our DMs on Twitter or Instagram Buddy Book Podcast. You can listen to us on itunes and Spotify, so please download and subscribe. We’ve got another special guest on today’s show who will be joining us for Stock up. Stock down. And you know what? Why not just more because he’s a good buddy. So we got magic here, the wizard of Walfam. So Magic, welcome. Thank you. You are also a good buddy. What an honor it is to be here. It’s a shame we aren’t in person. Otherwise, I’d ask you to fist my bump. Before we get into the categories, let’s Zoom out with our petrovoscope and talk about this book at a high level. And I do not mean intellectually. So if you came here for some breakdown of science stuff, you came to the wrong place. Go look at some Carl Sagan videos or something. This is our second foray into Andy Weir’s work. We did an early episode of the Buddy Book Club on Artemis. Keith, what was your general feeling towards Artemis? How can I describe this lightly or in the most destined sense here? It was awful, but too much. Too strong. Not strong enough. I feel like Artemis was almost like, what’s that? Star wars when they get the Death Star plans. Rogue One. Yeah, Rogue One. It was like a Rogue One to the rest of the books he’s written where it was more of like. Well, it was a heist book, really. So this one is definitely more sciencey. I never read The Martian Magic. Have you read any other of his work? I have. I have read The Martian, but I have not read Artemis. Okay, so we’ll get the full spectrum here. We’ll get the full thing. I kind of agreed with Keith on Artemis, but if you want a full breakdown, just go download that episode. But we are not talking about Artemis. We’re talking about Project Hail Mary. Let’s give Andy wear another shot. Project Hail Mary is a nonfiction tale about a historic 1975 NFL playoff game where Roger Staubach of the Dallas Cowboys game, their last minute miracle touchdown passed to Drew Pearson and took down the Minnesota Vikings. The end jokes, jokes, jokes. But it’s actually not too far off. If you substitute Stauvach with Rylan Grace, Drew Pearson with Rocky, the Minnesota Vikings with astrophage and turn a football into science, it’s pretty much essential. They used to play on astrophage or astroturf, right? Oh, yeah, it all works out. Yeah, I found it more to be Armageddon. But instead of an asteroid, we’re dealing with space algae. And instead of roughness Bruce Willis and Benny affect, we get a cool middle school teacher playing the role of Cowardly Lion from wizard of Oz. That’s pretty good. Although Rylan Grace wasn’t playing with animal crackers on Rocky’s belly. Are you sure? I don’t know. It seemed like there was some of that going on. Let me watch you sleep. Yeah, he was pro sleep talk, but anti food talk. Before we get into the categories once again, let’s talk about a libation here. Normally, we like to discuss something from the book and enjoy that throughout the pod. I’m taking a page out of Olafia Elikuni. Fuck, I can’t even say her name. Ilakinas. Whatever her book and having some vodka. It sounds like I’ve already had some already, but I swear I haven’t. I mean, it’s described as a special human liquid for celebration, so it seems pretty perfect for the pod. Although since this is an American holiday today, I’ll go with some fine American vodka in the form of Tito’s. Thanks. Austin, Texas. Really appreciate that. Keith, question for you. Rylan Grace comes up with all sorts of scientific solutions in this book, but he never unlocks the secret to Kovo, even though he has all the ingredients handy. Why is that explained? That’s a great question. I mean, he kept asking for coffee, and I was like, when is he going to figure out you just have to pour a little vodka in there and you get the best of both worlds. We call that a Virgin Koba. I don’t know why you wouldn’t, but you don’t have vodka in it. It’s a Virgin Koba. So it’s not called coffee. No. He could have known that. It was already trademarked and he had no rights to be mentioned in that. Let’s jump into some categories. Let’s start with favorite scene. Keith, what’s your favorite scene from this book? Mine was the arrival type interaction or scene, I guess, or larger scene with Rocky. I actually really appreciate that. I think you’d mentioned to me off record here that you weren’t that into it, but I actually thought it was kind of cool understanding the biology, how they saw, quote unquote, how they interacted, and basically how they are different from us. I thought that was really cool. That was really original. It was really well thought out the whole scene. I don’t know if you’ve seen arrival where they are trying to figure out how to communicate to each other, and they eventually kind of crack the code of how to do that. And it was similar to that, which I was good. The only question I had there was is he playing a flute and talking back to him or is he just understanding what he’s saying and then speaking English back to him and he understands it back? Yeah, I was pretty unclear. I feel like they were just talking English he used his computer as a translator. So I think he was talking into the computer and the computer was shooting back like Rocky notes, and then Rocky was speaking into it and he was shooting back human notes until Rocky started understanding English, because I feel like Rocky got that stuff sooner and then it was just kind of they were both doing it. But how would Rocky’s vocal cords be able to do English? Because even at the end of the book, when he’s when he’s using the kids, it goes through a computer system. He’s playing an organ. Oh, yeah. He was actually playing his organ for the kids. I agree with you that I like that scene. I think the most it took me a minute to really start enjoying it because just like a lot of this book, it was quite verbose. He would keep explaining in detail the things that I felt like really didn’t need to be explained. I mean, Magic and I both know what verbose means, but I don’t think all of our listeners do. So we want to explain that word. We both definitely know what that means, though. It’s just like using a lot of words to say something that could be said in less totally. So I thought that had some aspects of it. But I think in general, those things are always fun where it’s them trying to figure it out and having those Eureka moments, a lot of running back. The guy must have ran miles running down that tunnel there and back. But I enjoyed that as well. I also liked when Rylan wakes up on the Hail Mary. I think there’s probably like a theme for me when it comes to the stuff, and it’s usually originstory, like how we get the original setting kind of thing. So when he wakes up on the ship, it’s like, okay, cool, we’re on a spaceship. This is going to be fun because we like Sci-Fi type stuff. He’s looking at the sun. Oh, but it’s not our sun. It’s like, okay, cool. How did he get there? Now you’ve got all these questions tubes in some uncomfortable places, just like the Matrix, although instead of down the mouth, it’s up your butt mouth. And also he says the butt tube comes out, comes right out and doesn’t even hurt. So all those folks out there putting up colonoscopies, don’t sweat it. It’s no big deal, too. Slides right out, go get checked out. Like it could be a stock out. And there’s a decent lol moment in that scene when he sees the other crew and he says, I don’t know who I am or why I’m here, but at least I’m not alone and they’re dead.
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So I think throughout this book there was some decent, like, funny moments. So I do appreciate that. For Mandy Weir Magic, did you have a thing that you liked most about this book? I did like the one. It’s kind of towards the end when he makes his decision, but it’s not abundantly clear what it is right away. It’s been six weeks since I made my decision. Sorry, Rocky. Oh, so he is going back home but it’s like no, he’s not. He sent the Beatles home. He’s going back to him. So he finally gets to have his choice to be the hero and make his own choice moment. And that resolving in the fact that it’s not like the clear endings that we thought. Right. It’s either go that way and die or go home and live. But there was never like the third option of live but don’t go home. So I like that twist at the end. You never really saw that one as a potential option. Yeah, I agree. And I think in terms of story arc because the whole thing is pretty much how towards the end it reveals that he’s actually just a coward and didn’t want to go on this trip, didn’t want to save humanity, wants to save himself kind of thing. And in order to resolve that, to have him self sacrificed in some way to go save Rocky and his people. I found that to be a good use of the story itself, although I was kind of hoping that he just wouldn’t find Rocky and would just die in space. Okay, let’s jump into some stock up. Stock down, stock up. Keith, what do you got? Middle school teachers. Stock up. Okay, go on. So I mean, he was a middle school teacher, obviously before and it’s not good because they chose a disgruntled scientist turned middle school teacher to be the only person to say astrophage for some reason. Not because of that, not because of the impassioned speech he gave to Dr. Strat who constantly shows that she’s like that’s rigid, I don’t give a shit about emotions or anything. But somehow this one speech that he gave in order to continue studying astrophage, that one or over somehow it wasn’t that and it wasn’t the fact that they let him teach NASA scientists. Oh, am I qualified for this? Yeah, I’m qualified. I’m a teacher to teach the smartest NASA scientist. It wasn’t any of those things. It all makes sense. It all makes perfect sense. What the stock up is for is some of this cool teacher is quizzing his class on not just astrology, astronomy, rather not just geology, not just physics, biology. Also all four of those things. When he’s doing the pop quizzes, he’s testing them on all these different sorts of science. So I don’t know what classes you guys have taken to science before but I don’t know any other class where they actually teach you all those things all at once. And Squid, you on all of them all at once. I don’t know if I explained that well, but stock up for middle school teachers. I mean, I also felt like his kids were unnaturally enthusiastic and intelligent because it was like, all right, who wants to calculate the radius of Saturn? Everyone’s like, oh, I do, I do. But he was doing that. And then he would be like the fortress of rock. Then also, what is the power plant source and human body? It’s like, how are these kids knowing all these things? No one teaches like that. Maybe they just don’t have the curriculum standards that we have now. Week three, you got to be teaching about cell structure. And then week four, teach biology, I teach space science, I teach physics. He teaches it all. He’s a one man show. Magic. Do you have a soccer? I do. It’s none other than Microsoft Excel. Do you think it’s just you handle a couple of numbers, maybe a couple of Vlookups here and there? No, it can do that, but it can also serve as a database for an alien language translator. Was he using Excel? Yeah. I don’t know if he had the 1997 or 2003 version. Yeah. You’ve made a couple of pivot tables, I’m sure, so that solves it. I also love how in interviews I use Excel a decent amount at work. And it’s just funny how in interviews and whatnot people are just like, oh, so can you do pivot tables? View, lookups, macros. And the answer is always yes. No one has ever said no to me in an interview in the first two or whatever, but I don’t know how to build a macro. I’m a dollar. You know how to build a micro, though, so you’re good. It’s just a little bigger than that. All right, I’ll see my way out. My first stock up is being a regular at a barrestaront. I feel like that’s when you’ve bought in the past. I feel like I have two. Yeah, I was wondering that. And I mean, this stock should be on the S and P 500. This should be a top stock, because I don’t know who wouldn’t be buying this, but he does mention at some point he’s at his local restaurant that he goes to weekly, and he signals the waiter. The waiter doesn’t even come over, just gives him a tacit nod, shout out to wertle last night spoiler. The waiter knows that he wants a ribeye, medium mashed taters and a pineapinis. That’s just great if you take a date there and she orders whatever she wants. And it looks like the regular Mr. Grace. Yes. It’s like, oh, very nice. Might even bring in a Moose boost or something on the house. We’d appreciate that. But I do have a question for both of you. If you had your own local Honda, maybe you do. What would be your order that they would just assume you’re getting? Well, I go to a place called Submarine, which is like a much better version of Subway out here. I go there, and the girl behind the counter is like, oh, club sandwiches today. I’m like, yes. So I do always do appreciate that very much. Not the same. It’s not as cool as the bar. Anytime I walk in there with someone else who are like, oh, nice, man. I’m like, yeah, do you take a girl there? And she’s like, oh, a awesome. Thanks for taking me to Submarine. It’s a high class establishment, sir. So she’s all hot and bothered because the lady behind the counter knows that you want a club sandwich. Like the woman wearing a hair net and plastic gloves. It’s like, wow, they’re all Hun bothered already. But once I pull out the rewards card, shit gets real, real magic. Do you have a go to order? You know, this is going to come as quite a shock to you, but mine would be a plate of nachos. My plate of nachos. You mean chips and cheese, right? Of course you have to get the toppings on the side because it’s a well known fact that if you get them on the side, you get more of them. There’s nothing to do with what’s on top of it. And if people don’t like it or not, it’s that you get more toppings when you order it on the side. Nothing beats a perfectly layered platonachus. So I don’t disagree with you there. I think mine would probably be similar to Ryland. It’s a nice order. I would probably. That’s a very heavy, heavy order, though. Steak, mashed potatoes, and a Guinness. It’d be done for two days. Well, I’m picturing his place as kind of like a quiet, dark room, lots of leather chairs, and he’s getting a real good ribeye. I’d probably get the ribeye medium rare. I think that’s rare. You don’t really get a medium rib eye, in my opinion, but mash taters pineapinus, delightful. Maybe a sidecar of a whiskey. Even though I’m not a whiskey drinker, it just seems like a Manly thing to do. Okay, Keith, what else you have for stock up? Yeah, I think this goes back to what you were just talking about, but being humble. Stock up. So when you look at someone’s resume, when you talk about that, it’s always the opposite of that, where you’re basically amplifying what your actual skills are. But in this book, there’s a very kind of an obvious trend that continues to happen where they’d introduce some sort of character, where there was the French climatologists or the Thai land scientists or the person in prison or all these astronauts or the Russian or even Rocky, and every single time they’re like, this guy is the most amazing person ever. And they’re, like, talking about their achievements, and the person would, like, blush. Oh, I can’t talk about that. I’m so smart. But I’m the most humble. No, that’s not the real world. This would never happen. People don’t get to the highest levels without actually touting their own success, especially in science, where you could be the smartest scientists in the world. But if you don’t have research papers with your name on them or proven out these things, you’re not the person that’s getting the credit for this stuff. So being humble stock up because it seems that it works. But I disagree with that. I think that makes sense. Elon Musk. No ego whatsoever. Magic. What else do you have for Stockholm? Yeah, I got one more. And that’s aliens. How long has it been? Or how is it our natural thought to hear alien and think, okay, they want to destroy Earth or destroy humans? Yeah, that was a by low period. And now after this, it’s got to be on the way up, right? Making first contact, helping us solve our biggest problem. Yeah. You’re like buying shark stock after watching Jaws? Exactly. What’s the key? Stock. Buy low, baby. My next stock up with space food. Did you guys ever go to the science Museum and get space food? Yeah, it’s terrible. Like Tang. No, it’s like the freeze dried stuff. Yeah. Don’t get me wrong. Freeze dried ice cream was phenomenal. Like the Neapolitan, like chocolate, vanilla, strawberry. That’s where you draw the line, though. Yeah, that was it. They had I feel like Mac and cheese or something like that. And it was just like gross freeze dried stuff. And obviously there’s been leaps and bounds on the International Space Station, but I feel like stock is still pretty low on space food. And this guy is getting like, really? You get burritos and you just say coffee and someone gives you coffee. I mean, even early on, before he can have solid foods, like day four, meal two was a tube of food. And you said it was beef flavored and the food was getting chunkier. I mean, I know you wanted to do, Keith, a crossover of food stuff in the books we read, but I feel like I could make a pretty good tube of food that was beef flavored. Like, just get straight gravy, basically, right? Isn’t that what it is? It’s delicious. It’s got all the things you need. It’s got fat, it’s got protein. I mean, it’s calorically dense and it’s delicious. He’s just getting gravy tubes when he lands or when he gets out of his coma. I’d be super down, butt tube and all. I’d be like, yeah, give me the butt tube if I get tubes of gravy. So stock up on space food. Few quick ones. Watching your friends sleep. That stock is a Penny stock right now, but this book pretty clearly States that one, if you watch your friends sleep and they for some reason have some sort of brain aneurysm, like you’re there so it’s chill, it’s not creepy whatsoever. And then Additionally, they can watch you sleep, and I guess that makes you go to sleep easier. I haven’t tried it yet, but I’m going to see if the old lady friend will just sit in a chair and watch me sleep tonight and we’ll see how that works out. Additionally, stock up tape measures. As someone who’s recently moved, I found that tape measures, although I don’t use them very often, are quite useful. They’re compact. You can play all sorts of games. Kids don’t need toys. Just give them a tape measure. Rocky loves it. He pulls a tape out as far as he can go and let both ends go and just have fun with that. I mean, it’s probably better than zero G where it’s just spinning. But I worked some construction in my early life, and tape measures were a big source of entertainment. Have you guys played any tape measure games? And I’m not thinking about the dirty things that you’re probably. What do you mean? Like pull it out, measure it, and then leave it around the apartment for someone to find? Yeah. What games are we talking about here? You just put a Mark on it at like 8.2 inches and that’s how far can go in. Is that you’re saying no? Well, we used to play what I always found to be a very enjoyable game, and it takes quite a bit of skill to it is you get the tape measure and you try to throw it out, like throw the tape out from the holder as far as it can go, as far as you can, let it shoot out. And then the real part of the game is trying to not let the tape measure break. It’s like a slap bracelet almost. So it’s not how far you can throw it out. It’s how far you can throw it out without it breaking. So you really kind of almost have to have soft hands as you lay the tape measure down, because once it gets out far, the tip starts bending down. It’s like fishing almost, but I don’t know. We play that game a lot. You should try to throw the thing out there. You let it extend, you make it as stiff as you possibly can, and it gets how many inches did you say I was doing feet? These were. Oh, wow. Jesus Christ. We’re talking really nice. My last stock up was human meat consumption. I feel like we’ve talked about eating human meat at some point on the podcast before. At the end, that’s what Rylan’s eating. He’s just eating meat burgers. So I have two questions. One, is it better because it’s Lab grown, and two, is it better because he’s eating his own meat? You can answer, but I figure the answer is yes to both. None of us are going to be here and say no. It’s probably better if he brutally murders someone and then cooks there their glutes over a stove. But I feel like if you’re eating lab grown meat and it’s your own cells, what’s the problem? I’m not going to Yuck someone’s Yum thoughts? We’re already making lab grown chicken meat and lab grown beef. So what’s the problem with a little taste of the human flesh? Man flesh. I think we’re all on a poor there. Medic is not in his head over there. I convinced you guys to buy the stock. Perfect. Yeah. Let’s talk to impossible foods and see if they can start selling human meat. Let’s jump into stockdown. What do we have for stockdown? Key human interaction. Stockdown. There’s a human meat. It was like, no. So the whole kind of book hinges on the fact that they need to put people in comas for four years, which four years is really not that long of a time. Yes, especially for scientists. Instead of letting these scientists drive the ship, maybe avoid some asteroid fields, and have probably the best experience of any scientist will ever get, experiencing outer space in a new Galaxy or region no other scientist I’ve ever seen. You can conduct studies while you’re doing it. You can do so much stuff while they’re traveling, and it’s only four years. It’s not like 40 years, right where you’d be like, well, this is going to be mind numbing. But instead they were like, all right, we’re just going to put these people in comas because we are nervous that they might fight with each other, which is crazy to me. And that’s the whole reason why they only can choose one in 7000 have this gene that they have, which, by the way, only has a 33% survivability rate. So we just killed two people over four years of experience. The best space travel of all time. Like, what are we doing here? Even our action way DownsTOP. It’s a decent point because, yes, you could have just chosen all the best scientists without having to do this coma thing. And on top of that, even if it’s like, well, someone might go a little crazy and murder the other two people, that’s pretty much what happened. Anyways. You didn’t go crazy, but the other two people got murdered. So, yeah, I’m with you there. I feel like the only factor that was a difference maker was that the food consumption issues, they have to drink Cola, slurry, or whatever that is, which sounds like a drink you’d get in New Orleans on Bourbon Street. I think they still packed food for them to eat for the four years. Right. So can you just then make it better food? I think they just didn’t have enough. I don’t know. Oh, you’re saying that Coma’s already takes a less space? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I think that’s just like the essential nutrients and proteins and stuff, but not for flavor. But I still agree with you. I mean, for every stock you buy or sell, there’s going to be dissenting opinions. I still agree with you, though. That human interaction. I’m selling it. I don’t want any of it. Magic. Would you ever start? Yeah, mine kind of piggybacks right off of that. It’s like the World Science organizations. I mean, we have this problem, and the best that we can come up with is to kill two of our three people from this coma thing and a problem that will take 30 years to solve. Like, that’s the best we can do here? I don’t know. I’m not convinced on that kind of trust the Thai companies to come up with some crazy coma thing. And also, don’t get me wrong, I’m sure the cancer treatment stuff is horrible, and there’s lots of things in life that you just want to be like, hey, put me asleep, and when it’s all over with, wake me up. But I feel like that’s a weird impetus to create this coma science thing. Drug. All right? My stock down. Imperial units. I mean, this guy, this guy fucking Andy Weir takes an absolute hatchet to Imperial Units and Visa v America. At one point, the tunnel is 20ft long or 7 meters. And then he’s like, oh, my God, being an American socks. You have to use feet instead of meters, buddy. What is a meter? I sure know what a foot is. I have one. I can judge what a footage. I can say here. This is a foot. That’s how long a foot is. Everyone has a foot. You know how long a foot is? Who has a meter? Nobody. Get over it. Okay. Wow. We have a metric tape measure on board. Thank God. He’s like, oh, praise the heavens. This tape measure is in metric units. I’m saved. Get over it, all right? Every single opportunity he has to shit on Imperial Units, he does. So it just makes the book, like 40 pages longer because he uses it all the time. And trust me, I get it. Metric units are fine. I get blocks of ten. It makes sense. But then he goes on to say, oh, why do we use blocks of ten? It’s so dumb. We only have ten fingers. So why do we do that? Why don’t we use six? It’s like you’re hurting your own argument. None of it makes any sense, okay? It’s all made up, so don’t worry about it. Use feet, use arms, fucking use fathoms. Whatever you want. Just get over it. To piggyback off what you just said. There D man. For all our listeners out there, there’s now a new buddy bookclub.com blog out there. This is before I read this book. Yeah. Why? These clocks have 60 seconds and 60 minutes and 24 hours. I created a new metric clock system. Do you want to read the article? No way. Did you really write that? Yes, that’s right. Anyway, did you start doing drugs or something? Yeah, I had a dream about it, and so I wrote an article on it, so why not fuck it? Anyways, it makes it so we have a three hour work day, which equates 8 hours, but we just change everything so it makes it easier. Also, which I found out by doing my research. What are you talking about? Yeah, make the clock. We make the day 10 hours long, which involves 100 seconds. 100 minutes. Oh, you’re saying you want to change? Yeah, that’s right. Go to Buddyball Club.com and read it. I sure will be very confused and also enlightened at the same time. Get out of Kovo and went nuts. But the one key takeaway here is that, to your point, you said, what is a meter? Turns out they change. The science community changes what those things are on a decent basis. They actually just changed what a kilogram is. What? No way. Our references in the article, they had a conference in 2019 where they changed three of the key metric system, units, sizes. I’m sure it’s by a marginal amount, but they’re changing it. Oh, my God. So this is like when they extend the NFL season by two games or whatever. It’s like, okay, all the previous historical stuff are now obsolete. Like, when we read that book, The Body, it was like, how long in terms of distance can a man orgasm? And it was like 18 inches. Now we have to just throw that out because it’s all changed.
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Okay, though. Anyways. But I agree. We’re on the same page, I think. Wait, no, actually, I don’t agree. I’m with Andy Weir in this one. All right. Okay. Well, all I know is the record books are open, so let’s when you have a stock down. I also had common sense as a stock down. I mean, how many problems do we run into that could have just been avoided by using common sense? Like you’re saying that we could have short the buck by 60 pages from some of this stuff. Common sense going to shorten this book by 100 pages, too. Give us an anecdote here in the scene where he needs to like, oh, for some reason, I need to send him what my chip is made out of. So he needs to get into his suit, go out, knock off a piece of his Hull. In what world is that a good idea? It’s like you don’t have something inside the ship that is pretty close to what the outside is made of. Or in the beginning, when he’s like, oh, I should have known that when I go into zero GS, I’m going to throw up and things are going to fly off the wall. But I didn’t tape anything down. Oops, I’m a dummy. That was a big point for me. I was like, wait, what? How did you not realize that? And the whole thing would be hilarious if he was like, okay, I’m just going to go outside and chip a piece of my haul. Chips a piece of the end. He died. He died. Humanity died because you wanted to throw a chunk of your halt to a fucking Et waving at you from Blip Bay. I had an Earth specific scientist down as well. Magic for stock down. How about the time where they are like, let’s try exploding this thing and they measured it like a nuclear bomb? Or the fact that we’re allowing these scientists to just melt polar caps and fuck around in the Sahara desert and just do all this shit. We have 26 years to live, and we’re just like, yeah, we might end the Earth here doing these random experiments, but fuck it, let’s try them out. Wouldn’t you rather have a good 30 years of life remaining rather than ending the world potentially, then philosophical question. Either way, Earth scientist sucks. Rocky is the fucking man. Rocky was awesome. Earth scientists are terrible. Okay, my stock down. Washing your clothes. It turns out it’s not necessary. You just soak your clothes in water and toss it in the freezer, and it kills all the germs. So why are we so focused on washing clothes? And currently my washing machine is broken, so I think I’ll just be freezing. Actually, I had a friend of a friend who was very serious about his jeans, just, like, loved his specific pairs of jeans but hated washing them because they shrink, they get uncomfortable the first couple of wears. And so he actually told me years ago, which I thought was blasphemous, until I read this book that he just freezes his jeans. And then that’s it. He said, I’ve never washed his jeans. It’s my favorite pair of jeans. I’ve owned them for, like, five years. I’ve never washed them. I just freeze them and then let them thaw and then put them on. So I also had a friend who, in the summertime, freezes his clothes before he gets in the shower and then puts them on afterwards. And I thought that was maybe the smartest thing I’ve ever heard. Yeah, I don’t get the whole gene thing, because the worst part about jeans is breaking them in. You’re literally stiffening them. You’re doing the exact opposite of what yeah, well, they thaw out after they thaw out, then you hang them to dry, and then they thaw out, and you’re good to go. But, you know, when you wash them and they shrink up a little bit and get tight, like, the fibers get tight. What you should be doing is buying just straight denim. I had a long conversation with someone at work that does this. They just buy straight denim and denim jeans. Yeah. And then he never washes them. He says, oh, wait, what do you mean, denim jeans or just like, denim fabric. And just like, they’re like, I don’t know. I forgot really what the conversation did, but he just kept on saying denim. And I was like, Totally. I’m in. Yes. Aren’t Jane’s just denim? It’s like cotton. Yeah, it’s all denim straight. Either way, don’t wash your clothes. Stock down. Don’t do it. Maytag and Whirlpool are going to be hitting us up, telling us to take this down. And we won’t fucking do it. Magic. Did you do any other stock down? No, that was by two, Keith. All right, last one for me. I want someone to correct me on this, but relativity stock down, so I don’t really know a lot about science, but the whole book is relative. Thank you. The whole book is based around the idea that Earth is going to die in 30 years. It takes him four years, theoretically flying out there. Four years, 13 years, whatever the math is on that right. Rocky says he has 72 years before his land dies. But Rocky, when he says that, didn’t know that there is such a thing as relatively. That’s why his ship has so much more fuel than he needed. And then Rocky had been there, right in that new planet for like, 40 years. He doesn’t know that the relatively exist. We know that four years equals 13 years on Earth. His Rocky system is further away than Earth is to the system they’re in. So shouldn’t by the time if Rocky actually did this calculation, his planet should be destroyed. It should be like 150 years already in his plan. Yes. The problem is with your science is you forgot to carry the one. So if you carry the one, it all adds up. Does that make sense? In the time you’re talking, they changed the units of measurement, too. Shit. Yeah. Well, I mean, a year would be 100 days in my calendar as well, so we’re good there truthfully. Listening to what you just said sounded like exactly something I read in that book. You zoned out. Yeah, I was out. That was good mathematic. I kept on being, waiting for the time where he’d be like, oh, Rocky, sorry you didn’t realize about relativity. Your fucking planet’s done. But it didn’t happen. Come back to Earth with me, bro. I didn’t understand a word that came out of your mouth, and you have made the entire world dumber. I’ve gotten that whole thing, but can’t wait to read your blog post. My last stock down was Kazakhstan. I mean, not since Borat has a Noble country been so shamed. It’s where they built the launch site, which they chose because, and I quote, People generally don’t build launch facilities next to anything important. Yikes. There are people there, and it’s also described as flat and featureless. So the people of Kazakhstan, I apologize on behalf of Andy Weir and the world for this. You are wonderful people. And if I had to build the launch facility, I would spare that for you, because there are lots of wonderful things that come out of Kazakhstan. I can’t name any of them, though. Audit. Here in the Gray Man episode, you purchased stocks in Kazakhstan because the Kazakhs are known for being very good at shooting guns. Yes. So which one is it, kid? So I guess it should have been stock up for me. I mean, the stock itself is down in this example, which means that I’m purchasing more. It’s undervalued. Yeah, exactly. Although I’m still not convinced that it wasn’t Cossack. C-O-S-S-A-C-K but that’s neither here nor there. Let’s jump into a quick pick. Your character. Did you have a favorite character in this one? Keith. Ava Strat. Doctor Strat. Nonsense. To the point. Had the best line in the book, which was when she’s talking to Ryland when he’s been a huge bitch. She says, Listen, Ryland, I like you. I just don’t respect you. Which was a great line. I’ve never heard it that way. I did highlight that in my book, too. I found that to be quite enjoyable. I’m with you. Although she seems like a tough lay, tough lay starfish vibe. Mine would be either, to me, the total opposite for how controlling she is. You’d be the starfish. Yes. Seriously, shaggy like a Minx. Okay. She would probably be correcting you multiple times, which that is not the most efficient way to procreate. Yes. I’m going with either Dimitri or Ilian Kina, basically the Russians. Dimitri likes to blow things up. He’s a light hearted guy when they’re doing the test. It’s not his fault that that other test fucked up. That’s the other two buffoons. But when that thing blows up, he’s like, what happens if Rylan said, what happens if this thing kills us and you fucked up the calculations? He’s like, well, you’re drinking after life, right? Cool. Very chill. And Ilian Keena. She just hangs out at the officer’s bar drinking unstable vodka all the time. If I was going to have a crew mate, that’s who I want. She’s pretty much like a saner version of the crazy Russian guy from the aforementioned Armageddon. There you go. I’m down. She was the one who chose heroin, right? As her way to go. Yes, she did. You think that was real, or she just wanted to have some on board? Yeah, exactly. She’s like, Maybe some heroin, but keep it in different files so I can have a little taste here. Actually, you know what? I should probably test that out now just to make sure it’s good heroin her like, before they went on the mission, she was like, you know what? Just give me some of that right now. Let’s get into some love hate. Oh, did Magic have a favorite character? Oh, did you? Sorry. I apologize. Yeah, it’s the obvious answer, but I thought Rocky was the fucking. Yeah, Rocky. He just seems like just a good hearted guy. Love, Keith, what did you love? I already went to it a little bit, but the alien scenes. I liked Rocky a lot. I thought Rocky loves Rocky love. It’s super original to come up with new biology for a species. I thought it was really cool. Yeah, I loved the whole who am I aspect of the story. And I like how you figure it out. With him. It seemed like a fun way for that journey to go and made sense why they had, like, the two timelines, which I thought the two timelines kept things kind of fresh and got you out of him just solving things on the spaceship the whole time, which I feel like I only saw the Martian movie. So magic, maybe you can tell me. But I feel like that was kind of the whole thing of the Martian was like solving one problem after another and there really wasn’t another side of the story. So I was a big fan of that. And I also enjoyed when he was trying to figure himself out at the beginning, he was like, So I’m a single man in my 30s who lives alone in a small apartment. I don’t have any kids, but I like kids a lot. I do not like where this is going. And he’s like, oh, I’m a teacher of feud, thank God. And it’s going to be so funny if it was like he realized he was a pedophile. Oh, my God, I’m a pedophile. I’m a horrible fucking person. Magic would you have for love? What do you love about this book? I love the relationship between Ryland and Ross. That’s my next one. Oh, adorable. I think kind of what you’re saying to like the science aspect of it, if that was what the whole thing was, which was basically what the Martian was. I mean, this is a little more complex and relative because it’s like space, and the Martian was kind of more like things that were like, how do you grow something? Well, you need this. This is more like interstellar stuff, which is a little less intuitive. But the relationship on this actually not only was my favorite part about it, but it also changed what I said to you guys before we finished reading the book. And how do you do this as an audiobook when the first half of the book is like, how do you do this as an audiobook? I mean, you don’t reread the science parts trying to understand things and go back and this and that. But then when you get the conversations between him and Rocky, hearing that in an audiobook, I think, would be a blast to kind of hear how that’s playing. So you didn’t hear that, right? You read it? I read it, too. I read it all, but I know Keith did audiobook, so I was very curious how this played out. I’m also curious how did they do Rocky? How did they do his voice? Yeah. How did they show it in the book? Because basically in the audiobook, Anytime Rock, you talked. It was basically like a synthetizer would talk. I love you, Rylan. Yeah, that’s why I kept on managing him as a robot at the time. Yeah, but what does it look like in the book? Does it have a note in the book? It’s just like the musical notes when he did musical notes stuff, they’d be like, you have no idea what it’s saying until like, yeah, it would do the same thing. It sounded like a synthesizer, but just notes initially. And then when he started to understand what he was saying, It would be a synthesizer with him talking over it. Okay, well, I’m glad I didn’t do the audiobook. Yeah, it wasn’t groundbreaking. The way I pictured it sounding was cheery and upbeat music, not just like a synthesized monotone kind of thing. It’s just playing like house bells. You’re like, oh, is that what he was saying? Yeah. I don’t want, like, Stephen Hawking in a robot with him. I pictured him sounding like R 2D two. Yeah. All right, fist my bump. Excite, excite. That’s what it sounds like, I said, because I’ll just jump into my forehead. My next love was the relationship between the two Because it’s one of the real parts of the book that gave me a genuine emotional response. There was a couple of times that I actually was like, not like, choked up, but close. He realized Rocky has all the Rocky’s like, oh, I have a ton of astrophage. I can get you home. He’s like, I’m happy, you know, die. Let’s say planet, and you will miss me. Question. I will miss you. You are friends. And then at the end, when he decides to go and get him, It’s like, you save me. I love that stuff. And obviously we talked about the fist bump. What you would enough. But although this is probably the biggest stick in my crossing of the whole book, this could have gone into stock down. But what the fuck was Rylan doing when he thought Rocky was dead? Dying at one point, he’s like, oh, Rocky still hasn’t moved. No surprise there. It’s like, yeah, because you’re letting him die. Of course he hasn’t moved Because you haven’t done anything. And then there’s a leak in the Hall, Which Ryland says it’s so small, it would take weeks to be a problem, but there’s no reason to just let it leak. Yes, there is a reason. You twit your homeboy that just saved your life Is presumably slowly dying 15ft away from you. Rocky is dying, and you’re just doing fucking spring cleaning. Get your ass in gear and work out a solution. Common sense. It made no sense. And granted, I know that what he ends up coming up with Potentially Could have hurt Rocky, and he really just needed to sit there. But as a human, you’re never assuming that this person is mortally injured. If I just sit and watch, Maybe they’ll heal. It just doesn’t make any sense. So for him to just be like, I’m going to go organize the cargo room, I’m going to fix this tiny leak, and just, like, hope something happens. It’s like he just saved your life. This is your friend, and you’re just going to, like, watch his dead body. It blew my cord. I was fucking pissed. Sounds like it’s on a hate section for you. But the problem I had with it was that he’s like, I can’t believe Rocky went and did this and saved my life to enrich this whole thing. And then he does the exact same thing to him to save his life. I’m like, so you’re doing the exact same thing you said that Rocky shouldn’t have done because he almost killed himself, right? Tried to move him. Yeah, I just grabbed him with his bare hands. Common sense for the win. Keith lost you for love. But I do also like the memory loss aspect. I do like having, like, when it’s a mystery and you’re kind of trying to solve it with them. I did think they kind of went a little too quickly into actually everything you need to know. The only big reveal and the only reason for the flashbacks after the first couple Was the cowardly thing. Other than that, I don’t think. And we were like, okay, so how did he get on the ship? That’s the only real mystery that kind of was resolved. So I didn’t really love the flashbacks once we got to the middle of it and it was just like useless ones. I have one in my hate that I think was the worst flashback I got to, but aliens being good guys. I like that. And I really like Rocky in general. Hate. Keith, what did you hate? Tell us. I mean, the biggest thing we’ve talked about this a lot in the pod, But I like to think of a book as a movie. In my head, when you’re in it, you don’t realize you’re reading a book or listening to a book. In my case, you’re just in the story this when you’re doing math equations or comparing. I don’t even know what the units they’re using. They’re kind of using REunits I’ve never even heard of. And being like, that’s like 4 billion. Yeah. I’m like, okay, all it does is just take you completely to the book. I can’t picture this in my head. I have no idea why this is impressive. You could just say it’s fucking a ton of energy, and that would be enough for me. He explains like, 30 different ways of how much energy it is. And I’m like, okay, this is not really helping me now. I just realized I’m reading a science not like textbook. That really just took me out of the book multiple times. Yeah. I mean, I’ll jump into mine because it was the same thing. There’s too much science for me. There’s a lot of times when I felt like I wasn’t the target audience for this book, Even though it’s heavily published and it’s very popular. Andy weird to the Martian. I was like, oh, am I just too dumb for this? And the answer is probably yes. The answer is definitely yes, but it was just too much of a high level science that isn’t really explained. That’s the other thing. It’s like, if you’re going to do that, then almost like, explain it more. It was just a bit much. I needed an Eli five, and that’s explained, like, I’m five for the non Reddit folks out there. What they don’t have in this book, obviously, Because he’s supposed to be alone out there with Rocky Is they don’t have the classic dumb character who the smart character explains things to in a very simple way. So the smart character says something crazy. It’s like, okay, well, we’re not all mental numbers, so what does that mean? Check out this quote. For the reaction. To work, the protons need to collide with a higher kinetic energy Than the mass energy of two neutrinos. If you work backwards from the mass of a neutrino, you know, the velocity of these protons have to collide. And when you know the velocity of a particle and an object, you know, it’s temperature. What? Like, what? And I’m just not this isn’t the kind of book, like Dune, Where I can read a page and be like, I didn’t understand anything and go back and be like, oh, now I get it. It’s like, I could read that 100 times and still have no idea. The average rectal temperature of a healthy goat is 103.4 degrees, by the way. It’s like, yeah, okay, now I understand that’s the sort of interesting science I’m looking for. Now, you told us rectal temperature of a goat. No idea. Okay, here it is. It’s 103 degrees. It’s like, cool. I get it. Let’s move on. Perfect. Give me more of that kind of science. Less than neutrino science. The story was cool enough by itself, too. So it’d be like seeing star Wars And then just explaining the science of a lightsaber for 50% of the book. You’d be like, okay, we don’t care. The cool part is the actual story, not the science. Yeah, exactly. In star wars, he does the Kessel run in twelve parsecs, and twelve parsecs isn’t even like a measurement of time. It’s a measurement of distance, not time. So it’s like, but I didn’t need to know that. I don’t care. It’s like, oh, cool. He did it until parsex. Let’s move on. Whatever. Yeah. It’s made up science about something that’s made up. That’s something that’s made up. So it’s like, this doesn’t mean anything. Yes, it could have been a lot shorter. I think it’s hard to go through it and realize you don’t need to understand the science of it to get the whole point of the book. The first half of the book is all about the science, and it’s like, do I need to be understanding what this is? But then when you get to the real, actual plot of the book, it’s like, okay, I could have just skimmed over the science parts and still gotten the same output of this. And that’s why I think this would work well as a movie. I totally agree with you. And the problem with all the science stuff is it lends you especially being a reader or reading it to start skipping things. Because I actually found towards the end of the book that if you just kind of like breeze through the stuff until you found an exclamation point, that was when actually stuff would happen. I was like, oh, I’ll read that part and if I was listening to an audiobook, I would be zoned out. I would be like, washing the dishes and be like, what the fuck just happened in that book? I have no idea. I definitely zoned out a lot. You have any hates for this one? It’s pretty nitpicky. And I get it kind of goes against the whole point of the story, but the way that they chose Ryland to be the guy to first study this seemed a little far fetched. Like, you get this 8th grade teacher who’s not respected in the science community and suddenly he’s your guy. The other part thing too, is we can only do one scientist on this and just only one. And it’s like, why? It’s like, well, we don’t know anything about this and it might be dangerous. Like, have you ever heard of the Manhattan Project? We put multiple scientists on that and that was just as dangerous. We didn’t know about nuclear energy. Shut out Vernon Brown, right. What if your scientist was one of the three people that dies with them? Well, yeah, speaking of that, I’m going to get into my next one, which is the Annie Shapiro and Martin Dubois. Why are they in the book? Super creepy couple. I mean, I’m all in for open sex talk. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not here to sex shame or anything like that. But why in front of someone like you’re having a three person class in front of someone, you say, hold on 1 second. We have 15 minutes after the lesson. Do you want to have sex in the bathroom? And the other guy’s like, that sounds very agreeable to me. It’s like, just wait until you’re done with the lesson and you’re in the hallway and you’re like, should we go bang in this co closet? Yeah, sure. Not a problem. Like every other person with the fate of humanity lingering. Yeah, every other normal God fearing person. It just makes no sense. And also, if I had my least favorite character, it would probably be the duo guy. He has a glass of wine that he lets sit for ten minutes so it can breathe and they’re like waiting for the launch. Imagine this guy at a dinner party. Like, he cracks a bottle of wine. So who wants a glass? And you go take a sip. It’s like, no, wait for the creme. The guy just seemed like a total loser. And then on top of that, they’re so dumb that these two people, even though we’re not going to give VD because we got tested, so we’re good. Who are the two scientists on this thing? Just decide to do experiments together. And I’m not talking about sexual experimenting. Like, they go to do real experiments together and die together. It’s like, you guys are so dumb. Common fucking sense, Keith. What else do you hate? This is similar to the sign stuff, but he kept being overly impressed. Everything the world’s about to end. They’re using every possible resource. And then, like, a point of the book, they’re like, oh, my God, the NSA is involved in this. Do you know how big the NSA is? Like, yes, I’m impressed by every single thing that comes up. And the worst of the court session where they go to sue them. It was so fucking bad. The line from Strat is, you can’t do this. We have all these pants, blah, blah, blah. She says, well, you and what army? I have the US Army, and that’s a damn fine army. I’m like, oh, my God. I’ve rolled my eyes so hard. I was like, Jesus, what are we doing here? That upset me so much. I’m sorry. You know what? It was better for me because I pictured the judge as Judge Judy. Like, I pictured it as a Judge Judy courtroom. On one side, we have the US patent rules, and on the other side, we have Director Strat and the US Army. And Judge Judy is like, I’m not going to list it at this. Respect to Judge Judy, I think she makes, like, $25 million a year or something. Insane good for Her Majesty. Do you hate anything about this novel, which is Project Hail Mary? Other than that, not too much. I fully enjoyed that. Okay. Yeah. I mean, we use this hate thing because with every Yin, there is a Yang. There’s love and there’s hate. We don’t actually hate anything. It’s such a strong word, especially when the world’s going to end. Who can you hate? Make love, not war. I didn’t really hate anything else, too, so that’s what I got. Except for the Dubai God, I just can’t get over here. Such a fucking twat. Let’s get into the listener rail key. Do we let any listener rail this week? First, we have a review. Do you want to read it? I’m not good at reading. I don’t have it. So, yeah, you have to read it. This is a review from one of our recent listeners on Apple. What can I say about the Buddy Book Club BBC that hasn’t already been said? They’re funny, smart. This sounds weird now that I’m reading. Yeah. All right. Yeah. If you guys have funnier views, you want to post that shit on us, we’ll be more likely to read them. This one’s, like, almost two self aggrand. Self aggrandizing? Yes. I don’t want to read it. Well, let’s put a caveat if you have shitty reviews, but, like, five stars, but then. Right. Shitty thing. Yeah. Okay. This PS is good to all the Germans out there. This is part of spreading like wildfire from the Black Forest to Hamburg. Don’t miss out. That works. I could go for some Black Forest Gato cake and a hamburger. That sounds delicious. Listener mail. What do you got? You’ve got mail. Listener mail from Stephen or Steven. There’s three ways that each of the astronauts decide to kill themselves. Which of the three is the best way to die? And would you pick something different? I believe it was the carbon monoxide poisoning. Heroin and just a straight up gun, I believe. Is that right? No, it was heroin. The gun and nitrous. Oh, okay. Sorry. Thoughts around those. I’m not sure about, like, straight nitrogen. But nitrous oxide. Right. Is like laughing gas. And can’t you just die from that, too, if you owe on that. I mean, I haven’t done any studies myself because the NSA might be listening because they don’t have anything better to do. But you can just take some nitrous oxide and you have a blast, right? Isn’t that the thing? Have you guys ever had that, even though it wasn’t like balloons at what’s called fish concerts and stuff? Yeah, fish concert here and there. You have first hand experience, then stuff that allegedly tastes like whipped cream, right? Yeah, it’s what’s in whipped cream. So if you just kids, don’t keep that nozzle, straight up, make sure you put it down. But if you do, keep it straight up tastes better than whipped cream. Make sure you’re dressed like a cold. Yeah, I was at a Staples, and I saw a guy in the parking lot snorting Duster keyboard cleaner. Oh, my God. Is that something you should. I should have called the cops on drive. Maybe there’s one of the best and earliest Intervention episodes where the girls addicted to Duster, and I feel bad because this is a human being. But unfortunately, the media and aka, like, entertainment television turns into entertainment. But she said it makes you feel like you’re walking on Sunshine. And then someone took that and put it on YouTube as, like, two walking on Sunshine, the song. So every time they say the chorus, it’s her going walking on Sunshine. It’s really good. That’s what the Internet was made for, unfortunately. I hope she’s doing very well and she’s over her Duster addiction, but Duster, unfortunately, wasn’t included in these three. So. Thanks, Stefan. Steven, Stefan, erkels alter ego. Appreciate that. I would not go with the gun to the head. That just sounds cold and ties into what, like Chow or Chang or whatever his name was, how he wanted to go. And his personality, the heroin was confusing to me because why would you use heroin and not just morphine, which is like clean heroin, right? I mean, I think I’m not a huge morphine, understander? But you just take a huge dose of morphine and you just call it that seems pretty chill. Except you do probably suffocate or something. I think if it was the nitrous oxide thing, which is what I’m thinking of, like laughing gas, and you just have a good time and then you go to outer space in your brain. Not like physically that sounds good to me. I think I’d go with that. I don’t have an alternative. Like, I wouldn’t do anything that I haven’t really put a lot of thought into it. Although I do like this question. Keith, what do you think? Yes, I would have mixed the Tiffany down the heroin first and then turn the nitrogen or nitrogen or whatever, because it sounds like. Because you could get fucked up with an overdose in heroin where you’re, like, choking on your own vomiting shit. So I’d rather do that. You kind of go into a nice sleep and then you die in your sleep with the night. I’m glad we did this uplifting. Question here. You put the mask on and you get the tank ready. You take the morphine, let’s say, and then you open the gas gauge and you just see what happens. You know what happens. You’re going to be done. But Magic, what do you think? I guess if we’re taking some of the heroin theme here, not a lethal amount, just enough to make things interesting and then put on the suit and just untether yourself and float away. Ground control the major Tom, the wildest trip you could ever be on. And then that’s how you go. All right, let’s tie this thing in with a bow here. Let’s cast the movie. Keith, who do you have for Rylan Grace? I had Jake Gillenhaw. That’s actually a good one. I think he’s one of the most underrated actors out there. You can carry a movie. And we should probably preference is this movie is about to come out, right? Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t do my research with this one. Yeah. So I think Ryan Gosling is supposed to be leading it’s supposed to be moving, coming out. Okay. It’s just been approved. Like, they haven’t cast anyone outside of him yet. Okay. But he’s like, put money in to be the maker. Look at the magic. Doing the research for the BBC. I love to see that. Love to see it. I would have just brought it back with Matt Damon, like, just continuing from the Martian. Oh, he gets back home after the Martian, and it’s like, well, we need someone for this other mission. And you had a lot of experience in space doing all this stuff. And he’s like, I’m willing to go back. It’s like, how about them apples? Coping with a bunch of those drugs, make sure he forgets who he was. Yeah. So I would do that. Magic, did you have anyone else for any of this stuff because I knew that Ryan Gossing was in it. I couldn’t unsee it. I think it works. He could carry a movie. Yeah. No, I mean, I enjoy Ryan Gosling myself, and he’s easy on the honest for Strat. I had Eva green, who was the female lead in casino Royale. So she’s the money in casino Royale. So she’s like, I’m the accountant or whatever. I’m in charge of the money, that kind of thing. She just has that badass bitch in a business way vibe to her that I think she could carry this because you really have to have that with Strat. Did you have anyone else, Keith? I had a Jody Foster for her. Oh, maybe call back to contact. Yeah. Written by Carl Sagan, by the way. Oh, really? The book. I mean, the movie? Yeah. I didn’t know that. That’s cool. And then for Rocky, I had the star wars rogue one, K two. So
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robot. Yes. Got you the robot that’s already in it. I just said Boston dynamics will create Rocky. So we’re good there. Boston dynamics, probably. I like it. We all thought of it as just a robot, not a you guys are both wrong. Okay, go on. There’s only one choice for Rocky and you’re crazy that you haven’t. Neither of you have said this, and it’s obviously Andy Serkis. Oh, that’s a great call. This is a tangent and we are going long, but why not? I finally got the significant other here to jump on board with Lord of the rings. So we watched fellowship, and I probably spent like 20 minutes beforehand just explaining Andy circus and who he is, how he’s just the most phenomenal voice and body actor or whatever. And she had no interest in any of it. But this is perfect. Yes, a billion percent. Andy Sergeant should do it. He’ll do all the sounds too. It will be phenomenal. Yeah. So would you recommend the book? No. Yes. This wasn’t for me. Just out of the book too much. It was too long. I know it’s a very popular book. It’s probably against the grain here, but I think the movie would intrigue me and I would definitely watch that. But just too much science for me. I think it’d be a good audio book for going to sleep. It would help you sleep. No, it was bad. I wouldn’t say it was bad. Like we’ve read some bad books. I wouldn’t say this was bad, but it would not be in something I would tell someone like, oh, you should read project hail Mary. Unless someone was like an astrophysicist. I’d be like, oh, you should check this out. But I think I agree with you that I think the movie could be promising magic. What do you think? I mean, I definitely would recommend it. I think if you go on with the understanding that the science isn’t really the main point of the whole story, I think that would make it a lot more manageable for someone who didn’t like it because of the science. I would say it is a little long and it didn’t necessarily need to do with all that, but I think it’s a story definitely worth reading and the twists that it brings are really enjoyable to get to it and I feel like don’t get us wrong here and I’ll speak for everyone. Obviously magic liked it, so I’m not going to speak for you, but I’ll speak for Keith here. I’m very impressed with the science aspect that Andy Ware does in all of his books. It’s very well researched. He tries to put it in reality as opposed to just like with the star wars stuff we’re saying where it’s like, I don’t know any scientists fuck having scientists on the set. Like let’s just roll it out there. I hope that whoever does this movie comes at it with like a Christopher Nolan interstellar aspect Where they try to make it true to the science and I think as Andy we’re probably has some rights as producer credits, so I’m sure they will, but I’ll definitely watch the movie probably when it comes out. Not going to go see in theaters, but either way, magic, thanks for joining us. This was a blast. I really enjoyed chatting with you about these books. Yeah, I appreciate you having me told us about this book, so I appreciate you for that. If you have one in the future, you’re welcome any time on the buddy book club. Keith, as always, magic brought the heat like astrophage. You’ll see your way out. Indeed. Keith, as always, it’s a great time. And until next time, we’re doing Percy Jackson right? All right. Yes, we’re taking it back to kids time. Let’s so to everyone else. Bye now. You sleep. I watch.
