April 18 2023

Between Two Fires – Christopher Buehlman – Episode 54

Christopher Buehlman, Between Two Fires, is like a horror filled, comedic acid trip. Which is exactly how many describe the Buddy Book Club podcast, so the Buddies were big fans. Between Two Fires puts you in 14th century France, a place of: plague, death, and waging war between angels and demons. This episode had the Buddies questioning three things most people find sacred: God, charity, and sex parties. So sharpen your sword, put your mask back on, and say your Hail Mary’s as we jump into this crazy adventure, horror, fantasy novel.

Intro: (0:00-1:38)
Stock Up/Down (1:39-21:35)
Favorite Scene/Character (21:36-25:43)
Love/Hate (25:44-31:20)
Casting the Movie (31:21-32:15)
Conclusion (32:16-34:25)

Next Book: NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN by CORMAC McCARTHY

Next Movie: THE GOONIES

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welcome buddy book club I’m Dylan here
with a [┬á__┬á] son of a whoring demon
Keith what’s up buddy let’s have a
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And subscribe Keith between two fires
honestly I have no idea how to
categorize this book it’s part
historical fiction part horror part
fantasy and all sorts of potty mouth I
said it was The Last of Us meets
American Gods meets Steve Stephen King
book those three things weaned together
somehow yeah it’s like the last of us
but instead of fungus screwing with
people’s brains it’s boiling pustules
killing everyone all the while a war is
Raging Between Heaven and Hell the mix
of the adventure part with like the guy
the young girl yeah then obviously like
the plague going around which the plague
I feel like wasn’t even a big deal in
this book compared to everything else so
it’s kind of funny but 22 fires takes
place in the year 1348 the years of the
Black Death it follows Thomas a
disgraced Knight who found a lone young
girl in a dead Norman Village and they
go on a quest to Avignon to see the pope
so that’s pretty much what our story is
laugh Keith let’s get into it with some
stock up stock down stock up what do you
got stock up violence oh yeah Thomas is
or Tomas is the best character in the
book for me I mean he’s basically
William Wallace but if like William
Wallace had like instead of his driven
Revenge being towards England and
freeing Scotland it was just William
Wallace being like yeah [┬á__┬á] it I’ll
just go do whatever you know like that’s
basically what it is ain’t like a rated
R version of William Wells but his
counterpart Delphine the girl is so
anti-violent and anti-killing people it
doesn’t really make a lot of sense
literally mesh in the book considering
they’re all dead instantly at every stop
they go to if Thomas is not there and
able to provide that violence though
fans kind of like wants a nice steak
dinner but doesn’t want the cow to get
hurt yeah yeah you know what I mean like
technology well I don’t really get it
and the worst example to me of it was
those British [┬á__┬á] are going through
towns and ransacking them and just
killing and slaughtering people zamas is
like all right time to invict some
injustice here and then he’s like no no
I can’t do it you know because Delphine
would want me to kill these people wait
what like so they’re just gonna now
continue to kill more people by killing
them you’re preventing more deaths and
then he gets saved from them right yeah
because then the alternative is then
they go and but he they still all kill
everyone and it it didn’t give us the
best possible scene which is the duel
between him and like his revenge so he
didn’t even get to carry out his revenge
yeah against the guy that stole his wife
and land so anyways stock up violence
Stockton Gandhi we should be killing
people I’m on Thomas’s side [┬á__┬á]
Delphine all right all right what do you
think of that I I like it yeah no I’m in
for it it is interesting she says don’t
kill anyone and so you should still be
able to just like chop someone’s leg off
and be like all right he’ll survive
whatever the case is uh which he he does
do a decent job of like not killing
people but I haven’t feel like that
scene was interesting where he lets the
guys and the bats live and then they end
up letting him live granted you know
they slaughter everyone else yeah and
but all those people are shitty anyway
so they all deserve to die and there’s a
lot of moral quandary going on in here
which which I do enjoy as well it’s
obviously like very religious the whole
the whole book is I say movie because it
feels like one the fact that this hasn’t
been made into like a TV show or
something put a big budget behind this
it’d be it’d be wild I was thinking it’d
be a great video game oh it’s like
there’s so many bosses and like bad guys
that come you know for sure perfect
video game yeah he was just so much
better than that guy in the scene when
it came down to the duel but you knew it
wasn’t going to end with him just like
gloriously walking off killing him you
knew something had to happen yeah I
guess that’s true uh my first stock up
is Canal Street in New York City you’ve
been there that happened you haven’t
that’s where you go to get all like the
fake Rolexes and like Louis Vuitton
purses that are fake for like 15 bucks
or whatever the case is uh oh okay in
fourth grade when you take your New York
trip like everyone to stop at Canal
Street and get some cool fake jewelry or
something for 10 bucks and everyone
always makes fun of that person or
whatever especially later in life you
know what I mean people are like you
want to go to Canal Street why it’s all
fake [┬á__┬á] but but in this book they
basically meet a street Peddler and he’s
got all sorts of stupid trinkets or
whatnot but you never know when you’re
gonna find the diamond in the rough he
has in his possession the holy Lance
also called Spear of Destiny aka the
Holy Spirit or if you’re interested the
Lance of longitus or excuse me the
longinus the Lance of longinus which
sounds sexual and violent it’s the
legendary Relic that pierced the side of
Christ during the crucifixion and they
get that uh for for pennies on the
dollar and and and use it to their
advantage not 200 300 Pages later to
start stabbing demons so uh you know
maybe in that uh in that Canal Street
all those that bag of the grocery bag of
Rolexes maybe one of those in there is a
is a real one you just never know so
don’t rag it you never know when
something good will come up this book
needed like a footnote section because I
was like cool they got a spear I had no
idea what that was when I was reading
the Wikipedia page they’re like yeah
this Spears obviously everyone knows
about it it’s this famous one that
stabbed Jesus I was like oh yeah totally
there’s so much religious stuff I’m sure
that went way over my head on this that
I had no idea what was going on well
that’s not very good as a Catholic boy
that you are yeah that’s
turn the other cheek that’s the only
thing that really you need to know from
the Bible you know all the other stuff’s
like it’s all fantasy written I mean
that’s what you did for the priest
what’s cheek I’ll save my way out
um okay what else you ever stock up keep
it in the religious theme stock up going
to heaven because uh yeah the last 15
minutes of this book
definitely uh did not leave a good taste
in your mouth I’m like thank God there’s
all this horror stuff’s over there like
no no no no no no no no let’s let’s make
sure it’s terrible what hell is and I’m
gonna explicitly just explain it to you
which I also didn’t get why he was going
to hell because if anything he this guy
deserved a purple heart and multiple
purple hearts over right like he put his
Penance in a silver star maybe Medal of
Honor right I don’t really understand
why he’s a Frontline soldier at this
point you know why is he going to hell I
didn’t understand it yeah it’s really
like there were cases in like World War
II when you’re a Russian soldier if you
just like absolutely crushed it but then
had to surrender the rules no
surrendering so if you surrendered when
you got back to Russia they’d like kill
you
so at the end of the war after all these
Russian prisoners have been in Nazi
prisons which Nazi prisons were terrible
for for Russian people they’re basically
just like stockades out in the open with
no food or anything so most of them died
anyways but then if you manage to
survive and you get back home
immediately Stalin sent you to Siberia
or the goulash or something like that
for surrendering so yeah there’s it was
kind of like that for Tomas but if you
win the gulag you get to come back I
assume well that’s video games
that’s different okay yeah different in
real life but for Tomas I guess just
like a little bit of penance at the end
doesn’t make up for all of the brutality
and murdering he did before even though
he has a good soul I mean with my other
stock up I you know spoiler here was
hell not that hell’s a positive here but
more of you definitely don’t want to go
because it sounds yeah hellish you know
uh something good skinned alive then
dragged with your skin dangling off of
you and then your skin gets sewn back up
with all the dirt and gravel still
attached and you just like do that over
and over again
is that worse than the other part of
Hell which is you become the butt of
every joke you’ve ever told so
anytime you ever told the joke that was
mean to someone or anytime you would
meet that person it all comes back to
you in hell and now you’re on the other
side of it just over and over and over
again uh no I think the skin the live
one is worse probably worse yeah when he
said the joke thing I was like oh
whatever like like I got I got thick
skin especially after getting dragged
dragged around with a [┬á__┬á] dangling
off me then sewn back yeah but as
someone who’s currently suffering from
copious amounts of poison ivy I think
this would be pretty close to health you
just had a full body of poison ivy and
couldn’t itch it just like tied down so
you could itch it in a super hot
sweltering room that seems pretty
terrible to me I mean and shout out to
Christopher fewman the author his his
imagination was incredible the amount of
just crazy violent scenes that occurred
and then to be like oh yeah I I have
some like the appendix I’m gonna put a
the hell version where I all the things
I couldn’t squeeze into this book I’m
just gonna put it in hell yeah oh yeah
all the most [┬á__┬á] up [┬á__┬á] I’ll leave
for the last in Pages yeah it puts my uh
the worst modern way to die blog to
shame it doesn’t really shake compared
to it yeah well if people want to check
out that compared to Christopher
billman’s uh go to buddybuttclub.com and
you’ll see how bad Keith is in imagining
terrible Ways to Die which really means
that you’re probably a pretty pretty
good man at the base not that
Christopher Billman is not a good man
he’s just more Darkly imaginative you
already know it has to do with uh being
in an airplane and having to and needing
to [┬á__┬á] and then dying in that situation
so I mean obviously that makes a lot of
sense so similar here is uh the phrase
if it sounds too good to be true it
probably is and this ties into
the hell Dream Castle joust scene which
I really enjoyed when they stumble upon
that castle and it’s like oh are you
here for the tournament and it ends up
being like quote unquote on their head
even though it did happen it was just
such a wild scene you know they’re
saying they’re like oh we have all this
food and they’re like gonna clean our
mail and let us take a bath and all this
stuff delphine’s like no I’m sitting in
this tree this doesn’t sound right and
my boy over there para matcha Ani anikot
is like wait there’s wine I’m in let’s
go and it’s just like weird [┬á__┬á] up
that’s when the acid kicked in yeah sure
I was like wait what just happened in
this book I have no idea what’s going on
yeah it’s like the dogs barking at him
while he’s trying to have sex with this
woman and like nibbling at his toes it’s
like yeah it’s [┬á__┬á] weird they’re
walking by rooms where all this crazy
shit’s going I bet you this book because
we’re not smart enough to to break it
down for real but I bet you there’s tons
of like religious symbolism and [┬á__┬á]
yeah this is where I thought the book
was a comedy by the way I was like this
so this was like a funny book and you’re
like no oh okay I just don’t know what
I’m reading I guess yeah and all this
stuff with like hands for some reason
there’s a big obsession with hands I
don’t know why I I wish I knew but like
the the river monster has a hand growing
out of it you know maybe it’s dead body
I don’t know but yeah so the Dream
Castle Jazz thing was awesome but hey
people it’s a plague and someone’s like
come on in we got all the meat you’d
ever want we got all the wine we got
everything we got ladies we got guys we
got whatever you’re into
probably not good so stay stay away from
that and then lastly I had stock up for
bread bowls AKA trenchers so before the
Advent of plates and whatnot or maybe
they had plates but they weren’t used by
everyone you just got a bread bowl and
yeah you ate your food out of the bread
bowl and then you had a meal afterwards
and I know it’s kind of cool for like
clam chowder and stuff but we should
just be having everything out of bread
bowls in my mind that sounds delicious
why did we get away from it I mean
you’re speaking my language here yeah I
get it if hell is all the other stuff
bread bowls Heaven yeah because the best
part is dipping the bread and it’s
already pre-dip you know exactly yeah
which you’d love to see okay let’s get
into stock down what do you got started
on being charitable
um or just charities in general okay
so [┬á__┬á] you Saint Jude’s is that where
you’re going with for literally no
reason at all Thomas shows up to that
town where the priest is like yo we want
to go fight this alligator demon water
monster and he’s like all right whatever
yeah [┬á__┬á] it I’ll go do it the kindness
of his heart he goes in fights no reason
still goes to help yes obviously it goes
to hell so he goes and he just kills the
alligator in the water demon what does
he get for a uh for a welcome party for
uh you know reward for his
self-sacrifice no not gold not not the
best towns prostitutes you know maybe a
new title no no not that he gets
molested by some old woman who has the
plague because I was interesting making
out with him while he’s like passed out
on the ground after that point I’d be
like I’m never doing anything good for
anyone ever again I I’d be oh I’d be
done if that’s a sign I just help this
big town out and I fought off a demon
god should reward me that’s the worst
sign that’s ever like to happen that
happen after directly it’s like okay
never mind you know yeah
actually no one could do anything no one
would get their act together and so
Tomas steps up for no reason and saves
everyone and he just gets the oldest
wench in the whole land who’s got
boiling pustules all over so gross
popping pustules that she’s making out
with him oh uh but good good old
Delphine comes in there and saves him
from the from the plague so we gotta
respect that
but similar you know similar to the
river monster aspect I I’ve stalked down
my boy Jeremy Wade I hate to see it
because you know I love me some Jeremy
wait do you uh ever watch Jeremy Wade
did you ever watch River Monsters on
like Discovery Channel or whatever
you’re dropping some some uh old school
references here no you never watch River
Monsters such a great show I’ve never
even heard of that he travels around the
world you know hundreds of episodes
looking for like River Monsters and to
like catch them so it’ll be like some
crazy story of like one of them that I
can remember was a a little boy who is
like out swimming and got his like nut
sack bit off some serious hell stuff and
so Jeremy Wade’s like casually telling
this story and then goes out and has to
catch this fish whatever it is Revenge
it he tries to figure it out like what
is the fish that’s doing it yeah and it
turns out to be a tiger fish which if
you haven’t seen what one of these
things look like the fact that they’re
in water is makes me never want to go in
water again
but other than that usually it’s like
some man was eaten whole by this monster
in a river and it’s like okay it was a
giant catfish like they’re always giant
catfish is pretty much what it comes
down to so not really that interesting
you know it’s like okay it’s a catfish
whatever but our boy Tomas actually
fought a river monster like a real river
monster and it had a human hand as a
tail which is wild doesn’t make any
sense the thing was like using its tail
hand to pull swords out of it and all
sorts of I could barely conceptualize it
like yeah I guess we’re gonna get ahead
of my hates but some of this stuff was
uh was hard to conceptualize I couldn’t
even picture it in my head you didn’t
take enough acid that’s your problem
yeah I I wasn’t high enough while I was
reading it so stock down Germany wait
I’m sorry buddy I I really do respect
you
um and stock up Tomas because uh he’s
obviously a better river monster he only
did it once Jeremy with his hundreds of
episodes so uh what else you have for
Stockton customer is always right stock
down this this one really got my code
they’re in Paris basically on the street
they’re looking for a house some woman
comes up they describe only as having a
mustache and there’s never been a
character that’s positive that’s like
been like fondly described as having a
mustache as a woman well well I have
from come from a long line of Italian
women that have mustaches I think yeah
but you wouldn’t be like yeah she was so
great great mustache on her you know
are you besmirching my Nana’s good name
I mean Hey listen if you want to tell me
if she has one and she is great then
I’ll I’ll take him back I wouldn’t I
wouldn’t say it’s one of her defining
features though yeah
well anyways this woman is just being
complete [┬á__┬á] just just being such a
always right guy if someone’s being this
mean I’ll save in the ground before
paying this person like there’s no way
I’ll let this person get my money after
treating me like this just won’t do it
she’s like if Tamara speaks again you’re
not getting the room all right fine
tomorrow stops talking they hand over
like way more money than they possibly
should be handing over to this this
woman and then she pulls the oldest
trick in the book of like yeah yeah just
go down like the alley and just keep
walking and it’s like that random door
there in the book I was like okay great
so Tomas will stay there the rubs have
to Snuff he just slits their throats
right there but they all walk down like
a bunch of idiots yeah there’s no buyer
beware going on here there’s there’s you
know they they already have their senses
or tickled and instead they just let
this woman have their money and walk
away yeah it was an awful awful con at
least a con man makes you feel warm and
bubbly for a little bit before you get
doing the woman bubbly part like she was
a terrible con woman it pissed me off at
every thing and I really wanted her to
Die the fact that she can get killed
stock up violence it was really
upsetting to me and that was one of the
most upsetting things in the book
honestly in that room just the
description I’m just like rotting bodies
on the floor it’s just like flies
everywhere a lot of fly stuff going on a
lot of a lot of Basil bub
a lot of smells uh described too yeah
yeah exactly like imagine if this book
was scratch and sniff good God he
described all these smells all the time
and I always be like I don’t know what
that is yeah it’s like Periwinkle and
like yeah Moon’s blood lace I’m like
what yeah
I had no idea what’s going on uh my next
stop down is I know this one’s Gonna
Hurt You Keith but uh sex parties
so they might seem cool someone says hey
you want to go to a sex party it’s like
yeah sure you know sounds interesting
but there is a non-zero chance that all
the beautiful naked women are really
just reanimated dead women bathed in
perfume so you can’t smell the rotting
corpse underneath and that’s something
that you have to take into consideration
so if once again the too good to be true
it probably is sex party with all these
women wearing stag heads straight out of
eyes wide shut yeah they might all be
dead corpses reanimated with like but
the corpses kind of sounded hot no no
yeah they did but they had like crushed
hand warmers inside their orifices so
they like felt warm for the penises it
was disgusting I made that part up I
don’t think they had hand warmers in
1348 but that’s what I envisioned was it
ever saying that and using some sort of
other tool like a a pocket [┬á__┬á] or
whatever I think they’re called
flashlights these days okay well what’s
the difference yeah literally nothing
it’s a great point I
yeah I mean it’s one it’s a warm body
kit everyone says anything that walks
warm body I don’t know what the issue is
here I I had no issue with it okay if
you’re going to hell already I mean
apparently you can do all good it
doesn’t matter you know that’s what this
book taught us dead body sex party yeah
lock the doors your nearest cemetery
Keith’s on his way bring the lube oh God
what else you ever talk about
uh that’s it I had God last one sorry I
mean that’s fair what are you doing
chilling well all this Horrors going
down why have you forsaken us Lord I
just I don’t understand it’s like oh the
whole time all this terrible stuff’s
going on it’s just like yeah God’s just
like off somewhere he’s missing it’s
like God’s missing he’s omnipresent he’s
omnipotent he’s got it all why why can’t
he just be like nah I’m not gonna allow
this to happen instead he’s like nope
let it all go down and the devil and the
wrestlers Lucifer and the rest of his
minions are gonna go up and take Heaven
next after the after they take the Earth
and no one seems to care just like a
couple of angels are like yeah okay let
me let me help you you know thank God
for uh Michael my confirmation name say
Michael this comes into to save people
but uh the only way they show up is like
well you need to cut open a young
innocent child in half and
so yeah we need you to murder this
innocent young girl and then we’ll be
able to get there but all the demons
they just need someone to say [┬á__┬á] and
they’re like all right we’re in
and they’re also taking over all the
religious things which makes you think
religious things don’t even have any
significance like they’re taking over
like the Virgin Mary statue and just
like speaking [┬á__┬á] through her mouth
that should not be spoken about yeah I
mean they’re making a new pope stuffing
the other one The Cask of wine like yeah
there’s really nothing that’s uh nothing
sacred yeah nothing sacred at all
did you have a favorite scene in this
book I like the statue scene
particularly with statue scene sorry so
when the statue started attacking the
house when they’re at that nice family
where they’re in Paris yeah that’s so
fun because that family ends up getting
when I finally figured out what the book
was about you know before that when I
text you I was like so this is a comedy
right you’re like absolutely not coming
all right but that’s when you’re like oh
so they’re gonna continue to travel on
this road and they’re basically fighting
demons throughout the like in different
forms and that’s when I kind of got the
reins on on this horse this [┬á__┬á]
Bronco I figured it finally figured it
out
once once Stone uh one stone statues
were like smashing women’s faces in and
bashing babies against doors you’re like
oh I get it now well the alligator scene
I was like that’s kind of random but all
right and then the acid trip I was like
I don’t know what’s going on anymore and
then that happened I was like okay I
think I get it now all you need is a
baby’s head bashed against the wall
right yeah then I was like oh so this
isn’t funny
well that’s kind of funny but I mean it
isn’t super funny but uh what about you
what was your favorite scene I mean I
liked the river monster scene for me
that’s what said it that’s when I
realized it was gonna be more
fantasy wise like fantasy horror wise
like it’s not just people going around
and like bad [┬á__┬á] happening to people
and they do open it up with the gods
kind of talking or the Angels kind of
talking the demons or whatever the case
like setting that so it’s like oh is it
going to be one of those where they’re
actually involved or is it going to be
more like ethereal like they’re pushing
buttons up in heaven and hell and making
humans do good and bad things so once I
found it I was like oh there’s actually
going to be like demons here on Earth
like doing some crazy [┬á__┬á] I I got that
so I like that I also at the palace or
whatever with the Pope at the end that
whole crazy battle with the demon that’s
composed of dead humans that’s like
using the humans to kill other ones and
then as it continues to move just like
picks up dead bodies and like uses them
it was I don’t know it was wild it was
like a Studio Ghibli kind of Japanese
anime Vibe like super dark like super
dark version of that but it kind of had
like some did you ever see Princess
Mononoke uh no I don’t really watch
anime oh yeah well great great movie it
seemed like if the Marvel movies wanted
to go dark have something like this yeah
that would be [┬á__┬á] crazy and you
already said your character is Tomas
he’s your number he’s your ride or die
yeah I like the priest too but I mean
Tomas is just like funniness and overall
kind of disposition especially after
being [┬á__┬á] over I thought was kind of
was pretty good you watched Game of
Thrones you remind me the Hound kinda
it’s a great that’s a great comparison
yeah that’s perfect and it was similar
kind of way in that he had this job that
he did with the prince or or whatnot and
then got canned and this Tomas kind of
like at the Battle of Cersei or whatever
Cressy the Battle of Cressy so then he’s
just kind of like a lone wolf and I
can’t they both pick up a young girl and
take her on her Quest so yeah pretty
similar I had a soft spot for paramatcha
me and him we both you know we both like
to imbibe a little bit have a have a
couple of glass classes get all sloppy I
got it it’s like buggery on occasional
Casual Friday night a little buggery
never never hurt anybody I had to look
that up I was like is this a buggery
from Austin Powers or is this because
buggery also just means in British slang
like just like a an idiot yeah but like
a bugger it’s like oh what an idiot you
know yes but it is but it means like
someone who does things in the butt so
yeah like I said exactly like him but go
on because I feel like the first person
to be like tried in the new world AKA
America was on a buggery charge and I
think it was like with his own sheep or
something like that someone will have to
fact check me there but but I’m pretty
sure that’s the case would you say they
had a penchant for buggery or yes the
facts of my life are quite
inconsequential
helmets
okay let’s jump into the love hey Keith
what do you love I just thought the the
time period the scenery everything about
it I thought was was fun and it was just
like non-typical Adventure novel you
know with horror and fantasy and a lot
of more [┬á__┬á] going on in the uh in the
1300s so all the things I’m not used to
indulging in yeah and I liked how it was
set in some level of historical fiction
I love historical fiction stuff if
someone asked me for a historical
fiction book there is zero chance I
would suggest this to them because it’s
not that but the idea of yes at the time
the post Clement whatever the fourth he
was in Avignon like that’s where he was
and he did sit between two fires because
his doctors or whatever said the heat of
the fire will let you not get the plague
I know that there’s symbolism in The
between two fires title if you wanted me
to explain it to you I couldn’t but I
understand that it’s there but there
also is there also is a literal factor
to it like that did happen and I enjoy
that obviously this isn’t anywhere in
here possibly truthful but the fact that
it has bits and pieces of that and it
took me back a little bit to Reading
Game of Thrones which I thoroughly
enjoyed but this was quite different I
mentioned earlier on but American Gods
and like Stephen King are two books that
I think came highly recommended that we
read and were somewhat similar to this
and I thought this was about 10 times
better than especially American Gods was
like an adventure story in America and I
was like I could could not follow that
book I remember and then the Stephen
King vampire horror book Salem’s Lot I
know what’s going to happen at the end
so why should I even care about this
book whereas this book I was like I
literally have zero idea with what’s
possibly going to happen next so but the
two things to compare it to I think this
book was way better it’s so unique it’s
such a unique Story and there’s highs
and lows there’s fantasy elements the
horror stuff’s there it’s just you don’t
have any idea what’s coming around the
corner because you can’t really compare
it to anything I thought that was that
was really fun as well and and I loved
we’ve been talking about but the
swearing specifically Tom tomasa’s
ability to turn every swear word into an
adjective it was amazing I mean even
when he’s happy he says he’s so happy he
could [┬á__┬á] which people didn’t really
understand but I I said it right I I
said that previously on a podcast well
you said put my past yeah
so me and Tomas are on the same mindset
when it comes to that about when he’s
like there’s something different about
you she’s like what do you mean this is
this is supposed to be Jesus mind you
the girl and she goes you got tips
I thought he’s gonna be like you’ve
really grown as a strong woman yeah
you’ve grown into a strong independent
woman yeah nope that adult he would just
throw in random fart jokes
and he would give us important things to
like think about like he’d say nothing
really puts things into perspective
someone says nothing [┬á__┬á] matters in
the middle of a plague what about hate I
think you kind of prefaced this but I
like like the they’re fighting those
bosses and stuff but when the actual
Angels and Demons come down and start
fighting and there’s like all that
stuff’s going on I couldn’t really
couldn’t visualize it I was like I don’t
know what’s going on right now yeah like
everything in the church or whatever or
the the palace made sense and then after
that all the Angels start coming in and
I was like yeah yeah like the only thing
I remember is like two angels like drag
a demon into a lake or something yeah
and people were getting like killed but
then we’re alive and not like then
opened up portals you know like I needed
like a visual of this otherwise I could
not really understand this yeah I need
so the last part of the book I really
needed someone to explain parts of me
like and uh one of my hates like
honestly I don’t know what paramatch’s
brother had to do with the story at all
he was like a big character in that last
third of the book and like what happened
to him I don’t understand like what was
he doing what like I thought he was
gonna help them out but he just like
didn’t and then didn’t do anything and
then died and his brother was like I’m
sorry it was just and then I have a
question for you about hey because I
didn’t mind it but you have come in
strongly against dream sequences all of
The Sopranos and this book has lots of
dream sequences so what did you think
about those well usually the dreams I
feel like are they’re kind of just
fillers they’re like well we don’t
really have anything to do to push the
story along so let’s put a dream episode
in because I thought like when it came
to The Sopranos the dreams were for like
the blogosphere to people for people to
be like oh this is what this meant in
the dream like Yeah and I don’t really
like that where these dream sequences
were pretty obvious the brother were
going to a house and he’d be like oh
yeah like you should kill that girl you
know I was like wait what it’s like yeah
you should murder that girl it’s like
very clear what the point is or the
dreams are also very scary yeah like
they were not a fun time to be in where
so that was that was purposeful you know
it was like you do not want to be in
this dream and we’re the demons are
coming in [┬á__┬á] up your mind you know
so you like the dreams yeah I didn’t
think they’re bad here I also have had
way more dreams I’ve ever had by the way
the last week or so but I looked it up
and it was like it’s likely because
you’re like you know you’re watching
content that are reading content that’s
like much scarier than usual and I was
like yeah that’s it oh I’m glad hey
Christopher Billman you’re letting keep
dream I appreciate that well their
dreams aren’t the greatest so
I don’t understand people have normal
dreams I do not my dreams are all scary
as [┬á__┬á]
uh did you want to cast this Tomas I had
Russell Crowe as a gladiator gone wrong
yeah I mean I had Russell Crowe too so
get out really wow I mean I love that
Russell Crow guy and like it would fit
and I want him like now the Husky
Russell Crowe yeah yeah exactly wow I
think it’s the first time we’ve ever
predicted this we’ve had ones where
we’ve had similar actors but the person
we’ve actually spot on same person well
that just just he’s ready to go all
right priest you go I didn’t I didn’t
have a father having you what’s his name
I just remember
I had uh Sam Rockwell I feel like he’s
like you in Newcastle earlier I think
he’s like funny but he also is like
serious but not serious that’s like kind
of what the priest is like he’s kind of
flowy you know cool and then I just for
the girl I did you know the girl from
JoJo rabbit her name’s Thomas and Tomas
and Mackenzie oh yeah she’d be great big
fan
well I mean we we kind of flew through
that but I I don’t think I can stress
enough how much I really enjoyed this
book just be close to my top ten so
maybe maybe just put it in the 10 spot
push push the body past it it’s just so
unique and so different and out of the
stuff that we had read it just felt not
that I felt like the books we were
reading were getting stale or like
repetitive but having read what is it
now like 50 bucks since we’ve been doing
this this one just kind of came out of
nowhere and I really enjoyed it what
about you yeah I agree I mean I really
liked it it was one of those books I
think I’ve had a couple of these where
I’m like I liked it but I would I don’t
know who I’d recommend it to like I
don’t know one person though I’d be like
you know what book you’ll like you know
because it’s just a weird horror fantasy
hey Mom after you go to church go read
this book right right it’s none of my
top 10 but like I said we’ve read a few
that are are out of my scope of reading
ability and this is one of those this
was a pleasant surprise compared to a
lot of those other ones we’ve read which
are in the similar events yeah and
something I just found on Googling stuff
you know no one suggested this to me no
one had even I’ve never heard anyone
talk about it I was just like Googling
fun books and this was in there
somewhere what do we have coming up next
we’re going to do no country from Old
Men by Cormac McCarthy yeah so we’ll do
No Country for Old Men and then we’ll
probably do the movie afterwards because
you know we like to take two sides of
the coin on these things and like
similar to Hitch except the opposite I
thought that was a phenomenal movie and
Keith hated didn’t get through it we’ll
see we’ll see so uh well we’re doing
Goonies next for the movie and then
we’re gonna do yeah but we had a whole
stock we got a whole stock of stuff
coming up so oh yeah yeah we got we got
we’re locked in No Country for Old Men
the book in the movie The Goonies for
movie which I’m super excited about you
still haven’t seen it right nope yeah
and then uh we’re gonna go to the
Martian and maybe the Martian movie who
knows oh yeah but yeah so uh this was
between two fires I hope you guys go out
and enjoy it and we’ll catch you for No
Country For a Moment all right all right