Jurassic Park – Michael Crichton – Episode 46

The Buddies jump into the classic dinosaur sci-fi/horror story of Jurassic Park. No one believed that the Buddies could step up and read a long non-YA book, but ‘Life (the buddies) finds a way’. This episode featured a lot of theories and conspiracies (chicken, Malcolm’s effect, Lex’s true identity), and a lot of selling of traditionally strong stocks (science, grandparents, and kids). So pack your Name-O-Saurus, your raincoat, and maybe a couple of extra rockets, jump into the ‘perfectly safe’ automated driving Jeep and join us on Jurassic Park book ride.

Intro: (0:00-2:21)
Stock Up/Down (2:58-28:06)
Favorite Scene (28:07-30:27)
Favorite Character (30:28-32:31)
Love/Hate (32:33-40:29)
Listener Mail & Dino Movies (40:30-43:44)
Conclusion (43:45-46:56)

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book club I’m Dylan here with the best
looking pair of long milky white legs
I’ve ever seen Keith what’s up buddy
did you notice the one weird part of
that book was that Stadler or whatever
Ellie Stadler everyone was commenting on
her legs it’s like Creighton chill out
400 page book you don’t have to keep
talking about her legs she gets there
and they’re like all right take care of
Malcolm it’s like all right that’s all
she does the whole book well she ran
around a lot use those legs for good
well we’re breaking down some best
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this week we’re discussing Jurassic Park
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subscribe Keith Jurassic Park I I don’t
know why but I feel like this book is a
it’s a long time coming for me I like
everyone else definitely saw it like
fairly early on and was like obsessed
with it but the book was a little too
far-fetched for me at the time I think I
got it like at an airport bookstore
which are great by the way I [ __ ]
love a good airport bookstore and I
started reading on a plane it was like
no like I was 13 or something I was like
nah nah this is way over my head and
never picked it back up so I’m glad we
finally got here have you read this book
before we do love the movie I kind of
need this before we get into the the
actual categories here I didn’t even
know it was a book honestly I think I
mean until obviously recently I remember
liking it as a kid but it doesn’t really
cross my mind as a top movie I know that
for most people that’s blasphemy but so
were you not into dinosaurs as a kid I
was when I was super young I mean who
wasn’t yeah I mean super young yeah
totally
I don’t have dinosaur posters in my room
that was funny in the book they’re like
every kid loves dinosaurs and I was like
that’s true why is that and trains to be
fair so but certain times you grow out
of those things d man it’s time for you
to admit I think you were like diddled
by a train or something because you
don’t like dinosaurs you don’t like
trains something bad happened to you
there was like Thomas the Tank Engine
dinosaur crossover episode and it just
so happened when you went to see father
O’Leary yeah well let’s keep that let’s
keep that off the uh off the air
okay Jurassic Park stock up what do you
got stock up you know this is common d
man it’s been a long long time coming
the chicken wing Theory stock up
it really has all come together like
John Cusack and Kate beckinsdale and
Serendipity pretty much everything’s
just coming together right now we had
the blog released on the chicken went
there we had the Super Bowl you talking
about the blog on buddybookclub.com do
you want to do a quick couple minutes
about what the theory is otherwise
people are going to be confused for the
Layman’s out there the theory is
basically that chickens are bred with
extra wings so that they can meet the
demand for chicken wings especially
around the Super Bowl so if you want to
find more about that you can go to the
funnybookbug.com and read 2 000 words on
it but in the beginning of the book it’s
like 100 pages of how genetic
modification of animals is completely
normal and feasible if we brought up to
Michael Crichton hey could chickens have
extra Wings he’d be like yeah that’s
Child’s Play yeah he would literally
just he’d scoff at you it really brought
a tear to my eye reading all these
things about how science can easily do
this and knowing knowing that all along
I’ve been right did you end up reading
the blog I’m just waiting for a
particularly horrific bowel movement so
I pull that up when I’m going to spend
30 minutes on the toilet and so you can
read a particularly horrible bowel
movement as well I’m sure it’s gonna be
a wonderful and eye-opening I’m gonna
have so many questions like I want maybe
to have even a separate podcast just on
that but I need 30 minutes to myself in
peace to really focus on okay all right
I appreciate that this book has tons of
genetic engineering stuff I mean that’s
the backbone of it is the you know idea
that genetic engineering has gone Leaps
and Bounds and it has and you know this
book was written in 1990 I want to say I
remember also as a kid when they’re like
cloning sheep and cloning cows and it
was like oh holy smokes like what’s
gonna happen with the future like
genetic engineer is going to be crazy
and then Gattaca love Gattaca
and that just made a lot of sense just
like this book which is you know one of
the reasons I like it so much just it
makes logical sense it might be
far-fetched scientifically but if
someone just explains you like yeah that
checks out but since then you know we
haven’t seen a lot now when it’s talking
about genetic engineering or you know
humans combining with robots or whatever
it’s some guy who puts an implant in his
arm so he can unlock his front door it’s
not creating dinosaurs but they are
trying to bring back the dodo so oh yeah
talk about Chaos Theory butterfly flaps
his wings a Dodo flaps his wings in
South America and another asteroid comes
in and gets us so they could have done
what the movie did which was like so the
mosquito bites a dinosaur then gets
Frozen and then they genetically clone
it that’s all I needed this book was
like no no no no we’re gonna go into
deep deep deep discussions on how this
possibly could take place like Michael’s
like I’m flexing my muscle I did the
research I’m putting it all in
the book I was like all right respect
that Creighton was a certifiable genius
it so so it seems he went to Harvard got
his MD but was like nah I don’t want to
be a doctor it was like nope I’m good
and just wanted to be a writer was
obsessed with all the sciencey stuff I
don’t know if you like his other stuff
but uh yeah he’s very very very
intelligent my first stock up is the Dos
operating system okay yeah were you into
computers when you had to like boot up
operating systems yourself CD slash yeah
because I remember like my first
computer games like Duke Nukem and you
had to actually execute the requests to
play you know it wasn’t double clicking
on your desktop we don’t have to do any
of that stuff anymore but you know who
did have to do that stuff Timmy little
Timmy there he is a computer whiz and I
can only think that this came because he
was playing a couple dos games oh yeah
because everyone else there all the
adults no understanding of computers
whatsoever everyone is part of this park
service but yet no one knows how to put
the friggin lights back on and so
they’re just like who should we have do
it here give it to this 10 year old kid
and he figures it out so stock up dos
operating system stock up Duke Nukem
whatever games you were playing number
crunchers gizmos and gadgets go for it
Timmy Timmy was just TJ Henderson from
smart guy right that’s what he was
um he wasn’t an 11 year old he was like
a 30 year old that was an 11 year old’s
body because he’s he was a genius he had
some Savant syndrome talk about being
obsessed with Dinosaurs she was like
telling Dr Grant what’s up he’s like
chill out Dr Grant no this is the game
Island life versus boat life all right
this one’s a little far far-reaching but
yeah so I know the people that were on
the the island were terrorized and it
was a tough tough week there for them a
lot of people died whatever I think it
was like two days but yeah the people in
the boat they had the worst week of all
time so the people on the boat get there
right they’re dropping off all the
supplies they get called they’re like
get out of there you don’t have time to
drop off all your splits like well I
have to make another route back yeah
whatever we don’t give a about you
like kick them off so they start their
Trek Back which is a day and a half they
have Raptors on board they’re just like
driving back they finally get back to
the island and before they can dock up
they’re like no turn the back
around and kill those Raptors we we’ve
just spent two days trying to kill them
but you just do it quickly and they’re
like but we haven’t gotten any fuel and
we haven’t got any food so they turned
back around and then they just
immediately kill the Raptors they have
no problems with them at all that’s a
much worse week than the people on the
island they’re eating caviar and
ice cream the both people just took care
of business so like the Casual boat ride
where nothing is on board youngins
so you’re saying the boat people had to
kill younglings yeah oh nicely done
nicely done sir
okay it’s it’s a hot tank that’s for
sure I’ve got I’ve got more coming right
when I said the chicken wing there I was
like now I’m off you open the floodgates
that’s on you I hope you had a kovo
before this oh yeah
all right my second stock up is uh
Donald Gennaro and my only understanding
of this character and I think he’s a
combination of characters in the movie
was from his movie character who’s just
this absolute Poindexter just concerned
about the money at the park ill-fitting
pants like doesn’t doesn’t know what’s
going on and immediately gets eaten by
Tyrannosaurus Rex while he’s sitting on
a toilet just not a good look not a good
look at all but Gennaro in the books is
a gamer he he’s an absolute gamer he
gets the short shift in the movies for
sure but in the book he’s like Muldoon’s
right-hand man anytime Muldoon’s like
hey I need to go out and go see if
anyone’s alive is like yeah I’m with you
it’s like someone needs to help hold
this rocket launcher while I’m doing
it’s like yeah I got you no problem okay
these Raptors are now free we gotta go
get him he’s like yep I’m with you then
he kind of loses it a little bit but I
totally understand when it’s like we’re
gonna go into a velociraptor nest after
they’ve survived this whole time like
we’re gonna have to go into a
velociraptor nest and we can’t kill them
right away we have to go and count all
the eggs which just seems Preposterous
it didn’t make any sense that didn’t
make anything why were they doing that
yeah I didn’t get it because like also
how are you gonna be sure that you
caught all the eggs you know like or
counted them all
and they’re like and we’re gonna bomb it
right after and not be able to count it
after the facts it’s like wait yeah yeah
so but I so I understand at that point
we had some trepidations like I I don’t
really want to go down this hole and it
seemed like a Goonies type slide where
you have to like slide down into this
cave like who knows if you can even get
back out but up until that point he was
an absolute gamer he had no business
being like he had no business doing any
of that stuff he was just the money man
and he was going to protect what his
investment was and then he turned into
Rambo so Gennaro may or may be
my favorite character but either way got
short shifted by Spielberg so I blame
him Spielberg step it up brother yeah I
didn’t get the whole point of uh they’re
like you’re responsible for this this is
your Island and all this I’m like
he just put money into like he probably
has like 15 other Investments like this
he had probably no idea what’s going on
the island but Hammond yeah Hammond can
stay behind don’t worry about him yeah
why is he getting off scot-free Hammond
didn’t have to get the action in any way
ever and I get it at the same time that
he made an investment didn’t do his due
diligence so shame on him I mean I have
stock and apple is it my fault that
they’re of slave laborers you know yeah
like what’s what’s your ties to the
Cobalt mine do you have to go look at
the Cobalt mines and defend yourself yes
now Keith you’re coming out here you did
this like what I just bought stock like
you know what you did okay cool let’s
get to stuck down what do you got doc
down and this is gonna be a long one but
chaos theory and literally anything
Malcolm said in this whole book don’t
say it you like Malcolm of course I did
we might have a big issue here I’m not
gonna use any hyperbole here demon when
I say that Malcolm was the worst
character in any book we’ve read so far
and we’ve read some bad characters
Malcolm was easily the worst one of the
best parts of this book was when he died
and stopped talking I was happy
he was just the worst and don’t think
that Malcolm from this book is the same
as Malcolm in the movie don’t get those
Twisted they’re not the same people
these are two different characters
completely first note I wrote was wow
this Malcolm dude is pretty arrogant
like before I even knew his character
and he’s full of this know-it-owness
that’s just throughout the whole book
just has this arrogance and you’re wrong
oh why I’m not going to tell you why but
you’ll find out what when you read the
blogs d-man when I complain about
something do I give a solution every
time I do I give a Solution on
how to fix things this guy doesn’t give
one solution to anything and all he does
is he goes on these Shakespearean
monologues that no one stops them no one
Cuts him off about how he’s right and
how everything’s bad and it’s chaos
theory it doesn’t make any sense d-ban
I’m not done yet either and if you don’t
think his personality is bad just look
at his actions he first gets there super
creepy to doctor what’s her name Sadler
just like checking her out talking about
her probably pale legs you’d mentioned
the beginning he runs away when the kids
and Dr Grant get into any sort of look
not a good look terrible complete coward
and while they’re doing everything to
save him and they’re given him medicine
and they’re like calling in helicopters
all he’s doing is on everyone
there oh I’m smarter than you and I know
these things I knew it’s all along and
here’s a hot take d man but I think this
is the really what was going on in this
book I’m convinced that to prove his
point that he was right he’s the one
that turned the computers off he’s the
one that turned the power off he’s the
one that everything up because he
wanted the Malcolm effect to be real and
that was the most important thing to him
kid it had nothing to do with Ned Ned
did nothing to do with it in Chaos
Theory it’s just Murphy’s Law that’s how
they described it they’re like anything
that could go wrong was gonna go wrong
it’s like well I’m gonna defend his
Chaos Theory just in the fact that the
butterfly effect is a really good movie
I liked it a lot
uh one thing I did appreciate of him was
that everyone and this still happens
today like with global warming and
whatnot people like oh we have to save
the planet we have to save the planet
it’s like no we just have to save us
like the planet is gonna be chill I love
the you know the planet goes through
Cycles we’re a parasite it’s gonna rid
it of us and life will still continue in
one form or another it just won’t be
human life and so everyone kept saying
like you know we got to save the planet
he’s like no no you guys are just trying
to talk about saving you like it has
nothing to do with the planet itself so
you know I was with him there you could
say that in one sentence though and not
give three paragraphs and why well I
think Malcolm also was kind of like the
voice of Michael Crichton in this you
know he was the author’s voice he did
have some level of not like Exposition
but like the whole idea behind it all
the idea of chaos theory and the idea
that people think they can
do whatever they want and become gods
and you know make life happen and just
think they can control it when we really
can’t control anything a lot of the
stuff I enjoyed I I was a Malcolm fan I
can understand your point though in that
you thought he was a preachy douchebag
that’s a good artist on it I mean I also
just didn’t think any of his examples
you know how like you read like
Freakonomics right and they they use
such good examples that they click in
immediately and you’ll remember them
forever and a perfect example of that is
he says science isn’t doing anything
good uses an example of cleaning he says
1930s we we clean the same amount that
we clean in the 1930s as we clean now
Science and Technology haven’t helped
those Advance those what what are you
talking about like 1930s there was like
on the roads they just like were
like they pour trash on the
street the reason we’re taking the same
amount of time to clean now is because
we have much higher cleaning standards
like germs are literally just came to
the Forefront like the 20s yeah which is
funny because I’m actually I’m reading
this book on the side or listening to it
it’s called consider the fork it’s about
like the history of food and eating in
the world and the author there says the
same thing which I found to be funny
because I’ve never heard anything like
that before but you’re talking about all
the kitchen gadgets basically all the
kitchen gadgets that make cooking and
kitchen stuff easier but yet we still
all now and this was written I think
like early to mid 2000s we still now
spend just as much time in the kitchen
as we did in like the 1940s instead of
going out and buying a cake that you
could just buy like you end up trying to
to make one and then something else
happens and you end up having to buy it
again I’m telling it terribly she had a
very interesting point about it but it’s
the same idea and the cleaning stuff is
actually true like I looked that up my
first lockdown is uh grandparents so
normally grandparents are like the best
you know those are the the adoring
grandparents your mom’s like no we can’t
go for ice cream it’s a Tuesday and you
know Papa comes to town and he’s like
hey let’s go for McDonald’s and a soft
serve it’s like yes like I I at
least when I was a kid we couldn’t eat
fast food we couldn’t do any of that
stuff we couldn’t watch TV and my
grandfather came to town and the guy
only consumed sugar like he doesn’t
drink water he drinks Pepsi and so not
only would he bring bring all of this
Contraband like it was like heavyweights
like he brought all this Contraband into
our house like smacks and honeycomb
Frosted Flakes was like whoa what the
like this is amazing but then for
dinner he’d take us out to McDonald’s
like take us to the park and then take
us to McDonald’s and then we get to
watch TV and he’d watch like homicide
and I was eight I was like I’m gonna
stay up with Papa and watch TV and we’d
be watching homicide I was like this is
wild just eating Frosted Flakes
but our boy Hammond here he does not
give a about his grandkids they are
literally
dying to Tyrannosaurus attacks in the
jungle he has no idea where they are and
he’s eating ice cream in his cave being
like dang this park is really not gonna
fail I mean the only reason he brought
the kids he says this the only reason he
brought the kids was to make it look
good for the lawyer he’s built this
amazing Park in the whole time he’s
saying oh I just did it for all the
children out there like the wonder that
it’ll bring he has his own grandkids
there and he says he only did it so that
the lawyers will think it’s safe what
and then at the end when Timmy gets this
whole park back in order he’s got no
respect for his grandson he’s like where
the hell are these kids whatever it’s
like your grandson’s literally putting
this park back in order for you and talk
about one of the best one of the best
comeuppances in literature that I’ve
read is that then the kids are acting as
kids and like playing with the dinosaur
sounds which scares the out of the
grandfather and he falls down a ditch
and ends up getting eaten by a bunch of
tiny dinosaurs that whole relationship
thing even though they never really talk
to each other like their grandfather and
their grandkids like never really
interact that whole relationship I
thought was so well done just in how
much of a dick he is to his grandkids
and how at the end they end up pretty
much murdering him accidentally because
I remember in the beginning but I was
like yeah those are his grandchildren
right but at the end he got him in like
these damn kids
and I was like oh I guess they aren’t
his great I didn’t think they were his
grandchildren by the end because I was
like yeah no way he’d treat these kids
like this yeah like at the end of Dennis
the Menace if Walter Matthau’s like all
right come home grandson it’s like wait
what that’s your grandson that’s the way
he was treating them if I stocked down
very very similar kids stock down you
know my theory on about kids in media
and any portrayal they’re just used as a
way to to drag the plot down or to suck
like that’s when 90 of no that’s what it
is
oh yeah you didn’t know that like watch
name any show where there’s kids
involved Malcolm in the Middle sorry
shows that aren’t based around the kids
so like obviously like stranger things
is awesome you know that movie Eight
Mile eight something that was good you
know
talking about Super Eight yeah is it
right okay but if there’s shows that are
based around adults that have kids the
kids are only used as plot devices to
annoy the out of the parents and be
like trouble so yeah that’s all they do
this is no different with Tess tests if
Malcolm wasn’t in this book thank God
for Malcolm that should be almost number
two you mean Lex or Lex all right relax
yeah but I only hate really is just Lex
I mean she just says I’m hungry and
wants to play baseball the whole time
which maybe she’s the ultimate Hardo in
this in that she doesn’t give a [ __ ]
about these dinosaurs like if a T-Rex
runs at her she’s like arm’s a little
too short to play Fat Catch like let’s
move on to the next one she’s not even
scared of it she’s just like oh she had
PTSD after it and then two seconds later
she’s like Timmy what a [ __ ]
I’m like what’s going on wait what
happened yeah well what’s interesting is
that Michael Crichton wanted to write
this book from the perspective of the
kids from Timmy probably like he wanted
to write it from a kid’s perspective but
then the Publishers were like nah no
one’s going to read that book so instead
he turned it into this like horror
sci-fi book and uh which is also great
but then that’s also why the movie
Spielberg goes more in that direction
granted Crichton I think wrote the
screenplay for it but he goes more in
that direction of like okay like let’s
make this a PG-13 movie and make it more
from the kids perspective where James
Cameron who also wanted to make the
movie wanted to make it like aliens But
Dinosaurs which would have been [ __ ]
super cool too I mean I love the Stevens
Builder version but he wanted to make
this like a rated R horror movie uh you
know just interesting takes like you
know the what are they called sliding
doors or whatever like the the sliding
doors between if Cameron would have won
out I’d be interested to see what that
movie would have turned out like and
also why are they making all these
terrible new Jurassic Parks instead just
be like okay James Cameron here’s a
billion in dollars you do your version
of the original one why not change the
plot points a little bit you can change
the ending but just make it the same
story it’d be phenomenal I’d be totally
down for that as opposed to like I keep
turning my TV it’s like Jurassic world
Dominion I’m like pass pass I’m sorry
hard pass well my theory another one
they’re coming is that Lex was initially
written as a dog it makes way more sense
she’s constantly chasing a ball around
right she’s alerting the dinosaurs by
barking or just like what’s she doing
coughing or sniffling or something yeah
vomiting she puked right is that what it
was yeah I don’t know what she was two
did something where she kept on like
anytime there’s dinosaurs in here she
like would like cough or something and
uh yeah I think it would just make more
sense I mean because all she did you
already pointed out there’s a lot of the
dinosaurs at the worst moments complain
on Timmy and then celebrate and be
like we did it we finally made it guys
and then obviously something bad would
happen right after she did that so yeah
if she was just a dog character I think
it would have been it would have been
much made more sense that the dog ran
away and like the dog was learning the
dinosaurs he wouldn’t feel bad for the
dog like that’s a dog but if when it’s a
human person you’re like what is wrong
with this person
also can we point out the fact that
Timmy’s on the computer he’s 11. he’s
11. confirmed okay I looked it out and
she’s supposed to be eight she’s acting
like she’s like three years I thought
she was three years old and Timmy’s like
typing away and she’s like why are you
doing that Timmy I’m like let him work
on the computer and she’s like Timmy you
click quadrant seven then the prognosis
there is the is it’s not working and the
augmentation and I’m like how does she
know these words and why is she reading
off the screen it didn’t make any did
that make any sense to you you know what
I’m talking about she’s like reading off
the screen and it’s at like a college
level reading level and she’s just like
a second ago she like was sucking her
thumb and now she’s able to read a
computer screen and tell Timmy he’s
doing things wrong it’s like what’s
going on here there are many adults that
suck their thumbs just saying you know
fyon
not being fired up this box I like this
you have a lot of feelings about
Jurassic Park specifically
eight-year-olds and uh mathematical
theorists uh well this might help you my
next talk down is science so uh we have
Dr Wu who’s the the geneticist and him
and Hammond are just arrogant and think
they have complete control Dr Wu doesn’t
get it life finds a way also why is Dr
Wu wondering why it’s a big deal that
amphibian DNA was spliced in they’re
talking about sex changes here it’s very
clear to me when Dr Grant was asking why
is amphibian DNA because when you’re
taught in school it’s like oh a lot of
amphibians can shift Sexes you know
change that so it’s like Dr was a
geneticist
actually this is his job and he’s like
hmm I wonder why Dr Grant was so
interested in that amphibian DNA and
then not only the geneticists but
paleontology in general Dr Grant big fan
all right big fan but but what do you
really get from studying bones he said
the pterodactyls are not dangerous
because they eat fish they’re [ __ ]
flying crocodiles with 15 foot wingspans
that are swooping on you if a bat swoops
on me I’m concerned buddy your study
bones this is a real animal it
is going to eat you I don’t understand
why he was so convinced that they were
safe it’s it’s like seeing an alien life
form and just being like no it must be
friendly always assume the worst didn’t
we learn anything from chaos theory if
it’s gonna go wrong it will go wrong
Murphy’s Law you mean
Dr Grant stick to the bones get off the
real life creatures okay science down
Timmy up that’s all that you need to
know I also thought too that that this
book was actually really ahead of its
time in terms of self-driving cars and
computers counting things and things
like I was like holy this is 1990
like it’s pretty pretty cool but then
again all that stuff comes back to haunt
them so it wasn’t really that good I
mean like I said Creighton’s like a
genius pretty brilliant of him and
they’re all electric cars it’s basically
inventor Tesla in this book yeah [ __ ]
you Elon Musk where’s Michael crichton’s
money get into his estate uh what else
you ever stock down uh that was it so I
had late bloomers I’m a big Reddit guy
so in the get motivated subreddit it’ll
be this scientist didn’t even star
that’s famous or whatever didn’t even
start doing science until he was 50 and
this philosopher didn’t write this until
they were 70 and well in Jurassic Park
all of these people are in their 20s and
early 30s and they’re at the top of
their field they go through it at the
beginning like oh Dr Grant is 27 seven
years old and Sadler’s 24 she’s a grad
student but she’s the best
paleontologist in her field and
Malcolm’s 30. it’s like the [ __ ]
Timmy’s 11 and he’s a computer genius
the only old person in this is a Hammond
and I’m just sitting here with a 35 year
old man being like it’s it’s over for me
it’s like when I watch professional
sports and now I’m at the age where the
like the oldest people in the league are
my age yeah oh okay it’s all done I mean
you gotta think about the inflation
since 1992 kid we’re way way past it so
now if you don’t hit it hit it by Peak
by 18 you’re done if you’re not dancing
on Tick Tock by 18 yeah you’re screwed
we added some solid stock down just one
science kids light bloomers and I also
had a quick thing on Lex to stock down
like the beauty and Majestic nature of
dinosaurs because you would think if you
go to this park it’s like holy smokes
this is amazing it’s like looking at the
stars on a clear night the whole world
changes for you you know the those
moments when it just seems like you’re
so small and the world is so big Lex
doesn’t give a you know like we
said she just wants to play catch she
could also just be dense though I mean
she only has baseball and food on the
mind she’s facing a dinosaur who wants
to snack on her spleen and she’s just
like is there ice cream in the freezer I
want ice cream and I do respect that
because I love ice cream it’s my
favorite thing in the whole world and I
think if I was to face my own demise I
would at least want some ice cream first
did you have a favorite scene in this
one my favorite was one Grant in the
laboratory fighting the Raptors and he
was like all right I gotta get these
eggs out here and I know Raptors like
eggs and it was just like you’re getting
that minor Grant we didn’t have the
kids complaining to them left
and right and he was just like me versus
Raptors and I was like all right this is
this is what the book is I was locked in
for that scene what about you I liked
and I don’t even know if I was my
favorite scene but it was a tone changer
when Ned gets up by the dilapid
or whatever the case is because like up
until that point it was pretty like a
scientific book we had seen some
dinosaurs and and you know everything
but nothing was really gruesome you know
it was just kind of a story and I
enjoyed it but at that point I was going
into it with the expectation that I saw
from the movie I was like okay this
thing’s gonna spit in his face it’s
gonna jump in his car the car’s gonna
rock around and next scene kind of thing
but all of a sudden it’s like it’s
ripping out his intestines and eating
his entrails as he’s screaming and I was
like holy like this is not this is
not the Jurassic Park I grew up with so
at that point I was then like geared up
for the rest of the book because I knew
there was more to come and there’s more
people to die and I was like okay this
is gonna be pretty up like some
stuff’s gonna go down no one died a
quick death every death was like and
they’re eating out his intestines while
he’s still alive mind you like he was he
was feeling everything I was like Jesus
yeah people use the the phrase eaten
alive like so often I feel like you know
I’m getting eaten alive by these
mosquitoes Michael Crichton just was
like every single person will be eaten
alive like I am making this as literal
as possible but at the same time I think
that’s fairly common I I follow Nature’s
medal on Instagram which if you don’t do
but it’s also pretty up but you
see that so much in nature itself is
like a lion’s a pack of lions eating a
water buffalo it’s like okay like let’s
just slit open its stomach and just eat
all the good parts while it’s still
living so good God nature is [ __ ]
metal holy so yeah I would imagine
that Jurassic Park would be would be
similar and why not a little tasty snack
on some human intros
I’d say pick your character but I don’t
even know if you had a very hair just
hated them all maybe Dr Grant
I mean Dr Grant’s obviously like the G
but uh I also liked uh Hammond no get
the out of here I mean it’s more
esoterical but he told uh he told
Malcolm to shut up a couple times which
I appreciated he was like yo can this
guy just shut up any Archie argued
against Malcolm and Malcolm had no
response to anything other than like
just one in another monologue the other
thing I thought was funny about Hammond
was you mentioned earlier he’s like I
made this park for a kid and then they
go in the ride and it’s like and now
we’re gonna show you these kids a goat
that’s helplessly strapped to like a
pole getting absolutely mauled and
murdered by a Tyrannosaurus Rex for the
kids it’s like what the hell yeah it
seemed like a Simpsons episode
it’s like yeah that seems like that it’s
fun to see Dr Grant also I don’t know
why they made this change probably I
mean I guess I know why because they end
up getting stuck with them but in in the
movie he hates kids you know that’s his
thing is he’s can’t stand kids
he just hates the whole idea and in the
book he loves kids he’s like I’m totally
down for kids kids are great he’s a
saint in the book great guy yeah he’s
totally down and like takes
accountability takes ownership of stuff
like you know I I need to take care of
this because no one else will he’s just
an awesome guy in the book also from the
movie itself I don’t know if you knew
this little Easter egg but remember when
they’re flying in the helicopter at the
beginning maybe you don’t I don’t know
when you saw it but I haven’t seen the
movie in forever okay well they’re
flying in the helicopter and Dr Grant
fig can’t figure out how to get the seat
belts fastened because you can’t find
the like male piece so he just like ties
two of the like sockets together that’s
basically saying life finds a way
because he takes the two female pieces
and creates like a seat belt with it so
it’s a real you know I love those stuff
in movies where it’s just not even
really discussed and it just makes total
sense though you know oh two females
boom we got we got a seat belt out of it
and you take two females or whatever and
then all of a sudden you got a baby
dinosaur
what do we love what do we love I mean I
already mentioned that I thought it was
super well researched there was a lot of
interesting stuff in there I think I
texted you after like the first two
hours of reading and I was like yo this
book’s money yeah it was because it was
super in the weeds and it was like this
is cool stuff so I really thought that
was good everything was grounded in
reality he’s like no no I will prove to
you that this is something that could
happen it wasn’t just like I said he
could have just been like yeah and then
they we cloned them and it worked and
I’d be like that’s good enough for me
like I’m I’m fine with that yeah but
he’s like no no here’s how we did it
well I agree with you and it’s got these
big ideas with big science behind it I
mean the first quarter or of the book or
third of the book is all these big
science ideas but it’s all stuff that’s
very you can follow it it’s all easy
we’re both laymens and I never felt like
you like you said like you’re in the
weeds but I never felt like I was lost
the Edition is such a good job of not
dumbing it down but also not making it
too technical it was just perfectly
played that all of it made sense all of
it seemed rational and it really set us
up for what was coming and because you
spent that whole time doing that like
rational science stuff I believed there
was dinosaurs like I was like okay yes
this thing exists somewhere I’m
convinced there is an island in the real
world where this exists and like they
read Jurassic Park were like oh [ __ ]
like this guy’s on to us like who’s this
Creighton guy the DNA research the
paleontology the chaos theory it’s all
so well done I mean Chaos Theory
I can kind of explain it at this point
don’t ask me to but I can kind of
explain the Beats based on what he wrote
yeah and also the reason the movie is so
good is because he laid the groundwork
so well because I think a lot of
problems with a lot of the movies that
are science fiction based or things like
that is that they don’t have a ton to
pull from or like they don’t grasp it
completely whereas he’s like I’m gonna
give you so much that you just
cherry pick the best stuff and put it in
there and like run with it and like
that’s what they did it was so genius in
the movie to make it that like amusement
park ride where it explains how they got
the dinosaur DNA and like how it works
okay we dig until we find this Amber and
then we find a mosquito we take his DNA
and what we don’t have we patch it
together with other animals which in
that scene in the movie they use a frog
as the example which ties into the whole
amphibian thing from the books but they
don’t really say you know that’s how
then they could reproduce even in the
movie it was like three minutes and I
was totally like yep that’s totally do I
was actually when I was a kid I remember
being like we gotta find some [ __ ]
Amber with mosquitoes in it because we
could recreate dinosaurs one of the
things I loved was good slow burn in a
book we just don’t get that too often I
feel like it’s it’s really Dives right
into it we’re reading we read a lot of
like Thrillers and stuff and they always
start off with either a murder or some
ideas that something’s really bad is
going on and this is just talks about
science for the first bit they don’t
even explicitly state that Jurassic Park
is a dinosaur park until two and a half
hours into the audiobook so I don’t know
how many pages that is but they don’t
even state that it is a dinosaur park
does the actual physical book have
pictures because I can’t imagine reading
this book without seeing the movie first
because like I’d be like there’s a
Stegosaurus I’m like what the hell is
that again it doesn’t have pictures but
what you’re gonna hate is that each
section of the book so each section is
broken it’s like seven sections and then
there’s chapters within there each
section has an illustration and it’s
fractals based on the chaos theory
sorry what is that what does fractals
mean as I mean it’s those images I mean
you see it in like flowers and seashells
and mountain ranges he was he was kind
of explaining Malcolm is explaining it’s
like a mountain like if you look at the
shape of a mountain and then you pick up
a rock in that mountain it has like the
same shape it’s kind of like how Small
Things become bigger uh what about hates
what do you got I actually thought the
park was set up pretty well I don’t know
if maybe I’m crazy but if you’re like in
a fortress right and it’s like this is a
well-defended fortress but the person
that built the Fortress then goes to
your enemy and says here’s all the back
doors and here’s how to defeat the
Fortress and here’s all it’s like then
yeah the Fortress was set up well but
you just got stabbed in the back by the
person that set it up and that’s what
happened right well kind of but it is
it’s the same thing with the power but
they live on an island off of Costa Rica
like there’s gonna be a hurricane or
something like that you have to prepare
for those well yeah but they had all
those backup generators all these
different things that if they didn’t get
hacked and if Malcolm hadn’t turned the
power off which I’m sure it was him that
did all that stuff I mean there was some
obviously incompetence but it was more
in sabotage which is like not
necessarily poor defense it’s more like
oh poor loyalty like that’s all that was
but I feel like if you have a dinosaur
park a literal dinosaur park you should
probably be prepared for sabotage I mean
stock on computer programmers is what it
comes down to an eight-year-olds you
think the russkies aren’t going to get
interested in that because perfect Cold
War thing like Cold War Story
yeah the only thing I really hated was I
just don’t like dinosaur names in
general why are they so hard to
pronounce I’m glad I listened to the
audiobook because I wouldn’t have been
able to pronounce a bunch of these I
would have like it took would take me
twice as long to read it because I would
be like profle like prophylar could
dantus so like also why did they become
confusing when I grew up there was
brontosauruses we knew what the
Brontosaurus was and then all of a
sudden they’re brachiosauruses and then
they’re apatrosauruses and then they’re
Chimera marasauruses like I and it’s all
the same thing I don’t need to know that
I’m cool with brontosaurus just leave it
don’t worry about it yeah I agree don’t
I don’t need the BuzzFeed article it’s
like you’ve been saying brontosaurus but
it’s actually not it’s like I don’t care
I’m good with that someone shows me a
picture I say yeah that’s a brontosaurus
like no that’s actually a close relative
I’m like I don’t care move on with my
life why can some be simple Velociraptor
very simple Tyrannosaurus Rex very
simple just Triceratops stegosaurus
those ones we know they seem so simple
why keep the syllables shorter
see I don’t like that yeah I hear you
I’m on I’m on board with that what uh
did you hate anything else we talked
about the first two hours I really
enjoyed because it was like getting into
the weeds of things but once they
introduce all the characters and they’re
kind of going around there was a lot of
what do you mean and then a long
monologue and then there was like but
what does that mean and then it’s just
like that doesn’t really make for a good
dialogue what’s the most thrilling
dialogue a lot of time it was just a lot
of explaining and which is necessary but
at the same time we already had a bunch
of explaining so when you’re like hour
12 into the book and they’re like
there’s like a scene like where they did
10 pages worth of like restarting the
generator which was just like what was
what was the reason for this oh like
that no it’s not working the button’s
not working it’s like no now press this
button it’s not working and then it’s
like now take the oxygen out it’s like
why was this necessary to the plot I
feel like that’s one of those things
that would have been it’s better in film
because if you’re watching it it’s like
come on get get it going get it going
like get it on get get this [ __ ]
thing on like you know you’re stressed
out at that point in the book though I
was you know on edge listening to it I
you know I was like what the heck like
get this going so
I I thought the better application of
that was when the kids are trying to
lock the Velociraptor in the freezer it
dragged on a bit but the whole time
you’re like holy like get that door
closed that was good the door closed and
then the door pops open it said close
the door to me
Timmy’s like and I know a freezer door
has a latch inside of it which needs a
certain amount of pounds I was like how
the hell does Timmy knows the freezer
door yes all right team Timmy
yeah this is this is Glenn from Casper
Wyoming You’ve Got Mail Glenn hit us up
so is it true is the book better than
the movie Keith what are your thoughts
no I I said that the movie brings us to
life you hadn’t seen the movie
beforehand I don’t know how these people
are imagining dinosaurs you’d have to
have pictures you’d have to have some
sort of content to remember what all
these were especially with the new names
that you mentioned so I think the movie
was great the book was a little bit a
little bit much for the kids what about
you I loved this book honestly I really
did wow yeah I think yes it’s better
than the movie because you get just so
much more it’s just the movie but more I
do think that having seen the movie it
helped me visualize I don’t think it
really took away from it if someone
didn’t want to read this book because
they had seen the movie I’d say Malarkey
go enjoy the book because it’s really
just the best companion piece to the
movie itself because you just get so
much more of what the movie was but in a
more adult way like the the gruesomeness
of it though like horary aspect is like
real so I liked it a lot I do think that
the movie helped but at the same time
like I know what dinosaurs I might not
know what the prophylactic dinosaurs
look like the little chicken ones that
now I know uh profile actor I think
they’re the proof of not a condom a
French letter excuse me have you have
you started reading the rose code yet
it’s called the French letter and a lot
of the stuff in the book is then in the
sequels movies because they don’t even
touch on that whole river trip and into
the pterodactyl then like from the
rivers into the pterodactyl place that
Grant and the kids go in the movie at
all and that was like a really fun part
of the book so uh and Hammond gets it
like I said before like Hammond gets it
in in the book and he really doesn’t
just gets like saved which is [ __ ]
so I like the book better but I don’t
think that if you had only read the book
I’d say definitely watch the movie and
if you hadn’t seen the movie I’d say
what planet are you living on but vice
versa for sure
so what is your favorite dinosaur movie
what movies are there I got Land Before
Time which is up there for me great
great movie we’re back that’s a very
weird movie and also animated Disney’s
dinosaur which I I haven’t seen but I
know it exists then in the 80s we had
this prehisteria where like this kid
finds a bunch of little mini dinosaurs
that was a super weird movie and I you
could watch some weird ones I definitely
haven’t seen but now I will the velocity
Pastor it’s actually certified fresh on
Rotten Tomatoes which is mind-blowing
it’s about a velociraptor priest and
it’s like 74 audience 62 critics so I
feel like on a shitty Sun hung over
Sunday I now that football’s over I have
to watch the velocity it looks so bad
right but it’s certified fresh it’s like
it’s actually served refresh
Creighton though he also wrote and
directed the original Westworld he
pretty much came up with the idea for ER
like the TV series like him and Steven
Spielberg were like shooting the [ __ ]
that’s like how he got Jurassic Park
they were shooting the about this
script he was writing that became ER the
guys the guy gets it I looked up to see
how much he made on the movie he had a
million and a half advance
for writing the screenplay before the
book was even released like this is
before the book even came out he had a
million and a half and then or for the
rights he got a million and a half and
then he had another 500k for the
screenplay but supposedly he got points
at the box office but I couldn’t find
the numbers for that because I could
only imagine even if he got you know
it’s like someone owning one percent of
Apple in 1980 or something like that
it’s like who knows what he means say
what you all about Hannah by the way but
Hammond was a good businessman he was
like the merchandising alone is going to
make this place a fortune and
wouldn’t you know it the movies are
amazing and then an NBA team is named
after the movie the Raptors like that’s
from Jurassic Park yeah and and uh like
no matter where you go to this day if
you go into Walmart or you know Target
like there’s Jurassic Park stuff it’s
it’s wild so yeah he wasn’t wrong on
that front and also kind of crazed that
we went an entire podcast and didn’t
talk about the baby elephant that he was
carrying around in his
he had like a sick and deformed and a
tiny elephant that he carried around
with him uh okay so Jurassic Park
Michael Crichton would you recommend the
book yeah this is more on me I think
it’s just uh I don’t really like a lot
of books that have a ton of science
involved it seems like so I thought it
was great at some parts and then
deterred heavily by a couple of the
characters I’ve mentioned already I
would put it at like a 50 50 range
because there were so many good scenes
and it was the foundation for the movie
I have a special place in my heart but I
was very upset with a couple of these
characters so that’s what I’ll put it at
what about I mean you sound like it’s a
top ten yeah so it’s tough like I think
it’s a top ten for me I just don’t know
what I’d be kicking out like I don’t
know what my current top 10 is it’s
tough yeah at this point so I don’t know
I think it’s in my top ten which
basically means go read it you know go
read and enjoy it if you want the horror
stuff just get through the first part
but like get invested you know because
the the first part kind of sets the
scene for you and then it gets great and
there’s also not Dull at the beginning
we didn’t even touch on a lot of stuff
at the beginning which them trying to
figure out like is this a new dinosaur
like is this a reptile like what’s going
on here uh and I found that to be really
interesting too I also listen to it all
on a road trip it was made that trip
Sail by so yeah I would coming up we’re
Switching gears a little bit and we’re
going to some historical fiction with a
World War II historical fiction uh the
rose code which about some women code
Breakers during uh World War II like I
said trying to break the Enigma and
movie wise we got the menu up next yeah
well that’s it all right bye now