The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe – C.S. Lewis – Episode 64
The Buddies venture into the world of Narnia, rereading a child hood favorite, The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis. They touched on some interesting topics, such as: is this book is suitable for kids, is this book a religious indoctrination story, and is Turkish Delight more addictive than heroine. Find out all the answers to these important questions in the most recent episode. So pack your winter jacket, your Christmas wish list, your sword and shield, and fawn/faun over this book with us.
Intro: (0:00-2:50)
Stock Up/Down (2:511-25:54)
Love/Hate (25:55-36:09)
Conclusion (36:10-38:13)
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[Music] foreign [Music] [Applause] the Buddy book club that is I’m Dylan here with the son of Adam who is also the man I fought over Keith what’s up buddy how are we doing you see what I did there with fawn you have fun that was nice the d-man the Keith and the podcast that’s that’s all it is right there we’re breaking down some best sellers and this week we’ll be discussing The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe of which I have a hard copy sitting in my hands by C.S Lewis classic and literary classic technically the second in The Chronicles of Narnia series but the first one that was released if you like to recommend a book for us to read or reach out to us another past episodes you can visit our website buddybookclub.com or signboard DMS on Twitter Instagram bodybook a podcast you can listen to us on iTunes Spotify wherever you get your podcast so please download And subscribe Keith we got a children’s fairy tale here and we finally found a book that’s within our reading level which is what I’m most excited about sounds all right yeah is this probably the book slated for the youngest reader we read Hatchet that’s probably about the same age holes is probably similar it might be a little bit younger actually I feel like oh yeah I think this is they’re all in the same realm it’s probably like Middle School books I think they’re probably maybe they’re the same reading level but like holes is less dark than than this or the holes kind of deal is like some bigger themes though yeah I guess that’s true and kids do die in holes don’t they no but they’re like child labor lives yeah no one’s getting like stabbed on a stone table kind of thing I mean I did just re-watch first Indiana Jones oh that’s a kids movie and that is it’ll be a rated R in like today’s age it’s like there’s some gruesome scenes Raiders of the Lost Ark yeah oh that’s funny I actually just recently rewatched uh the Last Crusade such a great flick Temple of Doom I haven’t seen in a while and honestly I don’t I don’t think it’s great is that the one where they take the guy’s heart out yeah that’s what everyone remembers that’s it and then you can just skip the Shia LaBeouf one because that one was terrible it was so bad I heard the new one is this uh just mediocre enjoy I just remember hearing the Shia LaBeouf when it like opens with like a nuclear bomb going off and he just like jumps in a refrigerator closes the door and then like winds up like four miles away and like gets out of the refrigerator and don’t get me wrong I understand that you have to suspend disbelief with Indiana Jones like a lot of the stuff is out there which I appreciate it’s fun that that was like okay you just jump in a refrigerator for a nuclear bomb and come on that checks out to me I don’t know what’s the issue I appreciate just close your eyes when the Ark of the covenant’s open and you’ll be fine you know that’s more of my speed like stuff I don’t understand nuclear bombs I have a somewhat of an understanding that yeah you’re probably [ __ ] in a uh in a refrigerator all right line The Witch of the Wardrobe we’re not talking about Indiana Jones unless we want to read some comic books which we could do uh but Keith what do you have for stock up lie in the winter or drop dock up heroin oh go on tell me more I know it’s supposed to be this terrible drug that’s highly addictive that ruins lives and whatnot but is it really that bad I mean it doesn’t even compare it to Turkish delight I mean Turkish delight yeah you get one taste and you’re ready to murder your family you know you’re ready to turn your whole family over this is just one taste you get out of it by brothers and sisters I don’t give a [ __ ] about them as long as I can have some more Turkish delight that’s all I care about they immediately get a look in their eye when they have it where it’s like oh yeah that person’s that person’s done so they got that Turkish delight done so look cheat lie steal whatever you whatever you gotta do to get another taste and instead of chasing the dragon d man it’s you’re chasing the next Thanksgiving dinner turkey Turkish all right I’ll see my way out all right have you ever had Turkish delight pretty sure I have it’s kind of like a I don’t think it was called that but I think it’s basically um like almost like that gelatin like sweet candy thing yeah it’s like jelly with like powdered sugar on it yeah I’ve had it before I I didn’t like it you didn’t care for it yeah no I was gonna have a little stock down to her boy Edmond so we’ll just get this out of the way because if you had a witch in front of you right she can conjure anything she asks him tell me what you want to eat like legitimately anything and he goes for Turkish delight like I know it’s a it’s a different time period here we’re dealing with you know we’re talking like early 40s maybe late 30s I just could think of so many better sweets that I would have like just give me a box of Sour Patch Kid watermelons or like endless Sour Patch good watermelons like those things just are delicious Delight kind of yeah yeah and that’s why I was thinking about it because I was like what is kind of like a Turkish delight but it’s so much better instead of weird powdered sugar on a jelly thing you got some citric acid sugar on it and it has this delicious fake watermelon flavor to it like it checks out where the Turkish light I’ve had it’s just been like very matte but even instead of that I would go I would personally go more Savory I was thinking it’s winter so I probably wouldn’t want like heaping bowls of ice cream sundaes which would probably be my number one just bottomless they used to have a place by us called Chadwicks it’s it’s closed down but they had a thing called the belly Buster and if you finished it you like got a prize or something but it was 26 scoops of ice cream and like you know four bananas sliced on it and like all this other stuff it was like my dream it reminded me of that scene from blank check they go to the ice cream place and they just give them the ice cream and like uh like a trash pail it almost looks like a gardening bucket and when I was a kid I was like that would be the coolest thing ever because when we had ice cream it was like my mom would be like all right two scoops like that’s it that’s your rationed I just wanted all you can eat I want all you can eat buffet what would be your choice for food you think if a witch if a white witch came up to you and said uh you know pick any food you want the Savory Department I think I just go Pizza I just think you can’t go wrong but dessert wise there’s nothing worse there’s nothing worse than when you eat something that’s like really unhealthy and it’s just terrible I feel like I’ve had Turkish delight before but until I was like that’s not really good they’re like oh well that’s just pure sugar you just literally ate a cube of sugar and you’re like that was that like yeah you think about like a fruit roll-up that’s pure sugar and it’s kind of small and it’s the it’s like crack you know yeah exactly but that that you know like oh no I’m getting my bill here I’m getting my sugar out of this whereas like I think you bite into it and you just be like my teeth hurt from the sugar but like I don’t taste anything yeah I would honestly rather be like eating spoonfuls of sugar like straight up but one thing I really really like have you ever had caramelos I ever yes big fan of caramels unfortunately that’s one of those things now speaking of teeth hurting that I can’t eat because the next day I brush my teeth and it’ll hurt because there’s like two it’s too much caramel they’re like I still eat it it’s kind of like pizza in that same sense where it ruins my stomach but I still eat it so yeah you like the like almost liquid type caramel as opposed to like a Rolo caramel which has like a little more chew to it Rolo’s like gonna stick to your teeth but you have to like actually pry it off like you have to like no whereas the caramel sticks to your teeth and it’s good a good stick yeah okay got you because I feel like it’s like Caramelo Rolo and then you’re getting into like the toffee type caramels which are like actually really sticky and juicy like they’re hard to bite into Ghirardelli’s too I have good good caramel oh yeah uh yeah I’m with you there I’m with you with Heroin there’s actually there’s actually a doctor like back in the early 1900s or something along these lines I think he was addicted to cocaine and I think they stole this for the show The Nick the the Soderberg show I don’t know if you’ve ever seen that but it’s a good show with Clive Owen they stole this idea but there was a doctor who was basically addicted to cocaine he had a serious problem and his other buddy doctors were like we’re gonna we’re gonna fix this don’t worry they took him away like on a boat for like 14 days and came back and he was totally fine and lived out the rest of his life as a doctor no problem it turns out at the end what they had actually done was they got him off cocaine but they got him on to morphine and uh morphine is actually not supposedly like not that bad for you if you take it appropriately and like dose it out whatever the case is so he just lived a normal life as a morphine addict as opposed to a Crazy Life as a cokehead so uh yeah this is The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe but children’s fairy tale novel all right my first stock up is uh snitches get stitches you people always say that snitches get stitches and unless I’m watching was it never happens snitches in fact don’t get stitches and I’ve been watching Suits recently as I’ve told you before and there’s lots of snitches on there and they rarely get stitches you know they get like a little quip from Harvey Specter but never stitches so C.S Lewis Here decided to take it to the next level and snitches don’t get stitches they get turned to stone which I appreciate even more what’s up with our boy tomness Mr tumnus you know everyone’s like oh he’s a kind Fawn this that the other thing he just sold out Lucy like straight up no questions asked had never met a daughter of Eve I assume in the story like there’s some understanding because they seem to know everyone seems to know these like ideas these rules or whatever that govern the land and they’ve been living in this hellish winter for who knows how long and they kind of know okay if a daughter of Eve or a son of Adam is seen it’s probably going to be a good thing and tumnus is like nah I’m selling them straight out to the witch doesn’t matter wait he didn’t so yeah I did he sold Lucy out I mean he eventually turned around and said like okay you can you can get out of here he said he was going to and he was like ah exactly that’s what I’m saying he didn’t know how bad she was she could have been worse than the wish so he’s like oh you’re a pretty good person never mind I’m not going to turn you in yeah but at the same time he was he was never 90 there he wasn’t an admin doesn’t matter I think he deserves to turn to Stone I honestly think he deserved to be turned to stone and he got uh arrested or whatever and turned us down for not telling so he got punished anyways yeah well you know what that’s what happens I’m just thinking something now is it not police all right four heard of it yeah just that thinking alone is uh is basically is frowned upon exactly and this book does have a lot of Christian underlyings or whatever thing connotations whatever you want to say but I remember when I was a kid I don’t know who told me this maybe like a CCD teacher because I grew up Catholic you grew up Catholic my CCD teacher in school I think it was her always said like oh God doesn’t listen to your thoughts it’s like what you say and do you know I can think like the most [ __ ] up [ __ ] it’s not gonna matter which is fine because then I was thinking like oh if I thought something terrible would I then be turned to stone like Mr tumnus so uh so yeah I’m I think that C.S Lewis interpreted that God could understand your thoughts and hence Mr Thomas is screwed you deserve yes okay you deserved his stitches yeah uh what else do you ever stock up stock up letting kids watch brutal murders so Lucy and Susan are like oh this awesome dudes kind of he seems down in the dumps and then they see him leaving the camp and they’re like all right we’re gonna follow him see what’s up and he turns around he’s like hey you guys can’t follow me they’re like come on he’s like all right that’s fair enough but here’s the one rule once I tell you to stop and leave you got to do that and then so they get to the place where he’s about to turn himself in to the Witch and all the the kind of gang and then he’s like all right stop here and find a good hunting place to watch I’m like wait wait what no you didn’t get exactly right okay stop here here’s some popcorn some Junior Mints chill out enjoy some caramelos um watermelon Sour Patch Kids yep and he’s like shit’s about to go down it says that to them so they watch him get mutilated uh they start crying for a full day he’s basically just tortured no PTSD no no issues he comes back to life and they bounce back pretty quickly no issues no no uh you know nothing that no nightmares apparently later in life yeah he doesn’t even give them like uh hey just like it’s gonna be fine I know this is gonna be [ __ ] up for a couple minutes but I’m gonna come back you know he can tell them there’s nothing wrong with him telling them it’s not breaking any rules with him just telling him that yeah also I just don’t know why they needed to be there for it they need to witness it I have some questions with Aslan himself because he also just gives Peter a sword who’s has no training Santa oh excuse me Santa gives Peter the sword but aslin’s like okay go kill that wolf like you need you need your first Blood kind of thing yeah how does he know how does he know that he’s gonna kill him like you know maybe give the boy some pointers first he’s not like he’s not a lion who was born with predatory instincts he’s just a boy so maybe that’s a sign of like Karen man is born with predatory instincts do you think he licked the blood off the knife after the first Blood I have no idea of it Aslan was very serious about him needing to clean that blade I’ve never seen a lie about that yeah he’s like clean the blade Peter’s putting in the grass he’s like no no no lick the blood off Lucy Susan come over here and watch that’s First Blood that’s how you’re supposed to do it so that’s a throwback to like episode four we talked about that did we yeah what it’s a tradition when you get your first kill as a hunter that you would drink some of the blood from the animal what do you think I was talking about yeah that okay all right yeah yeah that totally but yeah it’s okay to show your kids horror films torture brutal murders it’s gonna be fine they’ll brush it off quickly not a big deal yeah okay my last stock up was shipping your kids out to the countryside because it worked out for these guys were you aware that that was like a big thing during World War II after we read um the no the rose code yeah it’s kind of educated me on that honestly I mean it makes a lot of sense it’s pretty genius especially with a small country like the UK like the cities are getting bombed so you send your kids out to the countryside and like you know other folks take kids in and it worked out for Susan Lucy Peter and Edmond here because they ended up did people say like time is the most precious thing you know time something you can’t get back these guys went into the Wardrobe lived an entire life in a Regal life at that in Narnia and then came right back out of the Wardrobe and their kids again so now they got like all that experience under them they can live their another full life or just like go because the professor kind of says you’ll find ways back into Narnia like they can just continue to do this thing right back in yeah yeah a little bit mode yeah a little bit not bad uh so yeah I dug that and supposedly C.S Lewis got a lot of the I don’t not a lot but got some of the ideas for this book because during World War II he was um harboring some I think like his niece or something like that I don’t know who’s harboring some children maybe not even related to him I don’t even know the points I should probably have flipped him up but yeah so he was like keeping the kids and was like oh like kids are pretty cool like I can dig it and then fancy himself at the professor I guess and included that in the story so I like how you include some real life things in there so yeah stock up what you know of your kids if there was a war going on just ship your kids away simple as that everyone’s like the allegory or whatever for religious themes it couldn’t the witch be Hitler in this instance you know like turn everyone to Stone and like being just a terrible person seems like that would be more sense right but she wasn’t like let’s kill all the squirrels or something like that you know like she didn’t have it out for like one one group necessarily uh would you ever stalk down knock down wardrobes and closets wait wardrobes and closets yeah both of them because I didn’t when I was a kid I didn’t know the difference I really don’t know the difference now honestly I’m not really sure the difference wardrobe’s like a piece of furniture right as well as a kid that but this is the first book I ever remember being read to I was going to ask you that because I think I think it’s up there for me too like besides like a children’s book like a kid’s book or whatever yeah right right a very big impact on me because I remember distinctly every closet that was big I mean because I don’t think I’ve ever even witnessed a wardrobe now that I think about it but every closet that was like a closet could like walk into a walk-in closet I was always looking for the [ __ ] Narnia I was always getting the back being like all right it’s probably gonna open up here at some point you know yeah and like nothing’s been more disappointing to me in my life than realizing there is no Narnia like I haven’t or at least I haven’t been able to get into it yeah that’s the right answer it’s [ __ ] I don’t like hanging up close this day my first two apartments don’t even have closets I probably got red to this when I was like six and ever since then I’ve just been really Jesus been upset about closets and in general wardrobe so stocked down to both those things [ __ ] them yeah well it’s interesting you said like Narnia doesn’t exist and then you you know changed it to like you haven’t found it yet which I appreciate it well we also talked about it in the last episode when people come at you and say like oh I’m in a Time Loop or whatever I need you to immediately be like no that’s just not possible whatever the case was Professor is the opposite way oh yeah the Press is awesome the kids ran to him like oh like Lucy’s making up stories it’s like no let’s talk about logic here like does Lucy lie it’s like no she never lies it’s like okay does admin lines like yeah he lies all the time he’s like cool not only exists simple as that what do you need the professor was the best yeah I had the exact same point it was like it’s so refreshing to find a character that’s like I think that checks out to me like I don’t care that your kids I don’t care about any of this all checks out because like at the end when they’re telling him the whole story he believes them he then has all these like points about Narnia don’t look for it uh like it’ll find you don’t talk about it all this stuff it’s like you know if you did if you were in the know you could have just told them like 100 Lucy’s right like I know like you guys are supposed to go back there what you don’t realize is that this professor is that same Professor that was the Coquette that you’re talking about doctor and he’s just morphinged out so heavily he’s like yo man I’ve been to Narnia multiple times if you know what I mean he’s like I can’t look for it man you don’t chase it you guys gotta you just gotta feel it yeah he’s like just intravenous Narnia all the time so my first stock down and this one’s gonna be tough for a lot of people out there but Santa Claus is he a sexist slash misogynist all right pretty much the same same wavelength I I don’t have the quote in front of me do you have it no but I just had I had some issues with his gifting but go on and I’m gonna try to find it when you’re talking because I have the book in front of me as I said are you talking about when he was like well women can’t fight yeah that’s basically the gist of it he was like he’s like oh where’s my sword it’s like women don’t fight but then he goes against Lucy a dagger but oh no he was like Susan you stayed at the back and it was like Lucy yeah like you won’t be part of this fight you guys can watch brutal torture but you can’t be on the front lines fighting whatever you do also like Santa really stick to your Lane Santa all right you give gifts and bring merry mint like don’t go setting who can do what and you know so moral and social guidelines like we don’t need that from you so stick to your lane give the gifts and then get out of there it was it was a little much sorry Santa but yeah just because the hero of the story was kind of Lucy so it did kind of go counter to what the the whole book narrative was yeah 100 and Peter’s like the guy that he’s like the Red Ranger who has just no hangout ability you know he’s just like not a good hang he seems like he’s just like in his own good hang on the Power Rangers a black Ranger obviously the black Ranger is a good hang even Billy was a good hang Billy he was too nerdy you know he leaned into it way too heavily well Tommy was definitely a good hang R.I.P by the way oh yeah Tommy is the [ __ ] man green ranger oh when he was a green ranger and he was like kind of bad I was like a bad boy Tommy I’m like damn yeah exactly and he had that dagger flute like Yo God he is his own dinosaur which is pretty [ __ ] sick yeah well they all I think they all did it no the other ones combined together but Tommy had his own thing that could fight them like that big one combined he was like a pterodactyl I think now that’s the Pink Ranger come on kid grow up would you sorry talk about my girl Kimberly come correct next time no Tommy had the best weapon too he had the ax slash gun I was like so that’s the best weapon by far right everyone else had like a like a bow and arrow or like a sword
is that what he had because I thought I thought Zach had the ax who’s Zach Blue Ranger the black Ranger no that’s what I’m saying the black Ranger oh yeah yeah okay yeah sorry no no yeah Black Ranger yeah Zach had it nice for sure I I usually that super in Nintendo game is great by the way yeah Santa like you said talk about who’s coming correct Santa you gotta come correct [ __ ] you I’m out on Santa well I I had the exact same stock down mine was more around the gifts themselves all the gifts are pretty cool I thought swords and shields and healing potions and Felix Felicia whatever that uh horn was it was like the lucky charm horn or whatever and then we get to the beavers and Mr Beaver everything that he has to work on fixed so he gets the house fixed he gets like the damn fix he gets like all the stuff that he’s working on it’s time yeah he gets time back yeah which I was like oh great so Mrs beaver I assume she’s gonna get like the pantry restock because she was cooking and doing all this stuff all the stuff that she has to do for chores you know maybe some nice Winters you know sweaters things like that where she could do it’s like no she gets stuck with a [ __ ] sewing machine so she has to do more work now I was like what kind of shitty gift was that that’d be like giving Mr Beaver like an ax or something or like to help him build quicker but you fix all of his problems he doesn’t have any problems anymore and now you’re giving her more work I I just didn’t care for it I didn’t like it at all once again he’s like all right mail you can go lounge like you’re done your work’s done woman you go back to work stay away from the fight go back to work I’m surprised you didn’t because he delivered this sewing machine to her which was nice I’m surprised he didn’t just like plop it on her back and be like carry it with you all right show your worth how dare you like what’s where’s Mrs Claus is she in a cage somewhere like what is this what is this depiction of Santa Claus I just I just did not my father could not like it at all my final stock down is just standard Christian indoctrination church and stuff I hated it you go to the 10 gospels all this [ __ ] it’s like oh my God just get me out of here get me to the donuts like just get me to the donuts they’re coming after this thing don’t worry about it why instead didn’t they just instead of the Gospel just read these books or something like that instead of doing the story of Christ and all that stuff why don’t you hide it behind some like fun animals playing in the woods and then later in life do the Jesus things then in your own head you already have these Positive Vibes to the idea and then when they pulled Jesus in you’re just like oh Jesus is like Aslan like right that’s cool for me instead they just pound the Jesus thing in you and didn’t work that way so I think the better way is create children’s stories about moral and mythical ideas that involve religion and then you turn them at some point into like the religion thing and then people are hooked minus aslan’s weird ideas a couple of them throwing Peter at the wolf letting the girls see his grisly murder I was all lit you know he seemed Majestic and amazing yeah and his sacrifice was wonderful really good idea you know it was cunning in a good way not in like a weird scheming way was like here’s how I can give one up on this witch yeah I think the the whole Christianity’s got to figure it out you know and CCD class was terrible instead just be like hey we’re gonna read Chronicles of Narnia I’d be like I’m in yeah watch the movies and stuff like that you know in the end be like oh by the way this movie this is how it ties into Jesus by the way yeah cool everyone be nice everyone see you later that’s it you know perfect so we basically want a movie club is what I’m looking at or a book club that makes sense for kids to indoctrinate them into Jesus well it’s funny because I was reading on the Wikipedia page the reception I was like oh I’m guessing I said like great reception because it was like ahead of its time you know but some reviewers considered the tale overly moralistic or the Christian elements overstated attempts to indoctrinate Children which the whole book is literally about fighting for what you’re you believe in it is good that’s like a good thing to do kindness and forgiveness are important like they forgive their brother immediately it’s not like old-time Christianity like eye for eye like fear God stuff it’s like very like just be a good person and fight for good things yeah it’s it’s not Old Testament it’s New Testament stuff it’s like every basis of almost every story so I don’t know how that’s necessarily that Christian also the other thing is I watched The Lion King when I was growing up that was like my favorite Disney movie then Aladdin I wasn’t like holy [ __ ] Shakespeare’s the God after I got older and started listening like I wasn’t indoctrinated to Shakespeare because of that like that makes no sense you know it’s just like what you like is a story who cares you just loved Hamlet after that there was a point in The Lion The Witch in the Wardrobe when Aslan takes Peter up and like shows him his kingdom and it had very strong Lion King Vibes going on so it’s really just Shakespeare that’s what it is all right yeah because he like takes him up to the top of the mountain and he’s like oh everything you see here like this is your everything that touches the light I was like [ __ ] Simba don’t go over to the elephant graveyard watch out all right what’d you love about lion witch wardrobe you already mentioned the professor and that’s really my my favorite character you mentioned appropriately like the last book they were like you’re crazy for thinking out to the bugs and he’s like no that’s it’s crazy not to think that this world exists honestly like it sounds too too real to be like not made up right he also had an unreal quote he says uh my dear young lady said the professor there is one plan which no one has yet suggested and which is well worth trying Susan says what’s that he says we might all try minding our own business I started clapping I was like yes that’s that’s just mind your [ __ ] own business I was like I love that it’s just a great quote so the professor is awesome yeah I can dig it well my first love and I think I have to say this and get this out of the way is my local library because I went to get this book on Libby and it was a weight and then like it’s like 150 page children’s book like I’m not gonna get this on Audible it just it seems crazy yeah here’s a little hint by the way for our listeners and yourself for future reference yeah you can just YouTube these Classics they’re all on YouTube oh good to know but yeah so instead I just the wife and I took a drive down to a local library branch that we hadn’t been to yet it’s just like a real small one and it was such a cute little Library like just it was great it was peaceful it was wonderful there were some women in there playing like Mahjong or something they were playing some sort of like dollar dominoes or something I couldn’t really tell but they seem to be having a ball and did you use the Dewey Decimal System no I just looked at my author’s last name oh I don’t know what that is Phil but I I like saying the word it was odd going into like the children’s section and we’re the only one in the libraries like middle day in the middle of the week and the librarian’s like can I help you I was just like uh no I think I can I’m looking for a book I think I can find it like I’m okay you guys have the wife come with you for that right yeah yeah she’s like you’re looking for a book in the children’s section but uh they also had like and this is even a small Branch they had like tons of DVDs they had like top gun Maverick and like all like new DVDs like at the Avatar movie and stuff I was like what the why are we paying subscription Services we could just we used to all love going to the movie store as kids because you can like go there shop around and pick stuff out the library is the same thing now but it’s free as opposed to surfing online and being like Oh what movie are we gonna watch it happens every night like we’re like oh what movie we’re gonna watch it’s like no not this one not that one it’s like no we already have the DVD like we’re ready to go like we got it from the library it’s perfect they actually have like newer type because I remember I used to library and I was always ecstatic I was like oh my God they have movies here and then I’d go and it’d be like taming at the Shrew or some weird old [ __ ] movies you know there wasn’t anything Mutiny on the Bounty no they had a bunch of new stuff and like I just peruz threw it quickly and just like tons of great movies in there I was like wow this is sick and additionally they also had a whole section of board games which I thought was really fun I I love a good board game myself and board game is one of those things like you can’t try it you know you have to buy it or go to someone’s house and play it there and then decide you want to buy it well the library like you just go try it on if you like it then you can go and buy it and they’re good with a ticket to ride they had this Dune game that I’ve heard that’s really good they had seven wonders it’s it’s amazing you know that these that these things exist and are free and you know people don’t um use them because damn it was fun let me ask you this if we could establish a public internet access so everyone has high speed access internet I mean at this point it’s very important to have but we had to get rid of all our libraries so we cut all the costs there would you do that or would you think that it’s better to continue to have their Library establishments yeah I’m a big brick and mortar guy mortar or motor mortar I don’t know how to say that every time I have to look it up and I work 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I just I just like the idea of going in and like the tangibility of it makes it really nice I wouldn’t take the high-speed internet thing for that I would hope the way that let’s get rid of other stuff besides libraries okay uh what else do you love I really like the saying the Beavers like making something or I think he provides food and they’re like oh this is this is awesome this is so great and he says merely a trifle merely a trifle merely a tripod I don’t know what it means or how it means or whatnot but that was that’s just a great line it’s like a better way to say no worries kind of or like like you’re welcome or thanks so yeah I like it as well I think the last thing I love just the read aloud ability if that’s a word and if it’s not I’m inventing it it’s a long word but the read-aloud ability of of this book and it’s made that way it’s made to be read aloud the author who’s like telling like the narrator is like breaks the fourth wall or whatever a couple times you know like oh this part’s too scary so I won’t let you listen to it or else your parents won’t read you like always like I can’t describe the people that are there because they’re too scary but here is someone getting tortured at a knife yeah exactly but even the way like the book starts is like once there were four children whose names were producers and then Lucy their stories about something that happened to them when they were sent away from London during the war because of Air Raids the way it opens I immediately felt like it was being read to me even though I was reading it to myself like my internal monologue was reading it and maybe that’s because it was read to me as a kid but I feel like this is just a great book to read to kids not only because it’s built that way but also because there’s the perfect amount of options for voices that I’m a big if you read aloud you have to do the voices kind of person and I like that there’s not a ton of characters so like you don’t have to make up a ton of voices but additionally they’re mostly animals so you can kind of Freewheel it you know you don’t have to have a specific voice be like oh like this is a big strong Gruff guy or whatever the case is like oh this is squirrel like this is what a squirrel is going to sound like in my head so uh yeah it seems like a fun a fun time to read so people with kids out there if you what what age would you say that this is appropriate for children I also think you could skip some of the darker scene so I don’t think I think you just be like and then he was killed by them and then killed I don’t know even that’s could be well I mean then the Risen from the dead thing is I don’t know what you say after that he went to sleep and then yeah okay yeah I guess so I I don’t remember how young I was when I was read this too I think it was like six or seven so and you said you were young too right like I was definitely young but I don’t know how yeah I don’t think I’m having books read to me when I was like 10. there’s definitely well before then yeah I’d say I was probably like third grade or something like that’s like nine eight nine it is interesting that both of us had this book read to us and both of us are now really into into fantasy as well as hard drugs so yeah I think that’s really nice and furries which is weird um did you have anything else for love just that we wanted to say that it held up fantasy wise I thought it was pretty uh impressive to go read go back and read it even though it’s a kid’s book definitely held up and it did kind of remind me a little bit of Lord of the Flies in terms of the writing style but yeah it definitely holds up all right what about hates the ending or just it was just a shorter book overall I think this most times I like say books are too long I think this one could have been an hour longer that maybe the ending a little bit more robust seems like it wrapped up pretty quickly and they’re like and then 30 years later there’s still that you know there’s just kind of like jumped times and things so it just seems to speed up really quickly which sometimes it’s good and this I was like ah I could have gone for another you know I’m already invested at this point you know might as well make this a little bit longer yeah I agree with you 100 it didn’t go super fast until like the stone table situation and then after Aslan gets re resurrected it was like on Hyper Speed the battle is like two pages I had to rewind multiple times the witch dying because I didn’t I didn’t catch that like I read a sentence I was like and then the witch is dead I was like wait when did that happen like I thought they were fighting still like Aslan jumps in and like fights her but they don’t say anything they’re just like he ran after her and then it’s like Yeah The Witch was dead so they all ran away so wait what what happened yeah what uh so yeah and then after that it was like now they’re kings and queens they walk through the woods white stag British back in thing professor says what’s up it’s like oh [ __ ] so um yeah I agree wrapped up rather quickly that was really mine was just how quickly it wound down I thought it ended well and it did make me interested to see like what other Adventures they would have in Narnia because they do meant to do you know mention these other lands and like other stuff going on so so I dug that I guess I didn’t really understand the difference between a fawn and a Seder after our Percy Jackson situation I was a bit confused yeah well we know the difference trust me so I I Googled it and Fonz born with horns seders have to earn them okay simple enough funds are Greek say there’s a Roman fawns are more foolish and carefree which I didn’t feel like Mr Thomas was that Carefree considering he tried to screw Lucy over definitely foolish in that in that regard seders often possess more intelligence definitely smarter than Mr Thomas who tried to screw over a child but the key difference is that uh seders are and I quote often womanizers with their big old donkey dicks gotcha gotcha all right checks out what’s the sailors from Percy Jackson they like apparently have a full erection at all times or something I forget it was honestly just like super creepy when I read into it I was like what the heck and then trying to tie it to like his buddy and Percy Jackson just gave me all these weird images in my head so I just moved on it’s a a male nature spirit with ears and a tail resembling those of a horse as well as a permanent exaggerated erection there you go
uh classic so I get why the seders are bad in this book because no way Aslan Jesus is teaming up with some Crusaders with Spears
well language and wardrobe Keith would you recommend it to our listeners of all ages I’m not just saying children’s books of all ages I think it’s a good entry into fantasy you haven’t read fantasy before if you’re you’re wanting to get your mind open a little bit it’s a quick read I would recommend it and read it 1080 young kids yeah why not yeah I agree that’s great I mean talk about like uh it’s 180 Pages getting from your library go read it to your kid it’s great I would say like 10 though I don’t know keep the because you got to keep the murder in you know but uh kids can’t handle it they’re much more resilient than we’re making them out to be we can’t baby these kids these days yes when I read it when I think again I think it was six or seven what the biggest takeaway for me was that closets should have Narnia in it yeah being murdered on a table that’s normal we were interested Jesus getting crucified me or six yeah that’s a good point that is yeah it’s like whatever okay yeah you didn’t get thorns in his head like what it was this guy [ __ ] like what’s his deal so yeah I would I would definitely recommend it it was great it was great it was a fun trip back down memory lane I used to have all these books it was fun and I think if you hadn’t read it it’s like yeah what are you doing the audiobook’s four hours so it’ll take you three hours to read yeah for sure all right cool what do we got coming up next well bye he’s got an alliterative name Hugh Howie uh well by Hugh Howie I yeah I thought he was a famous author just because it does sound like a good author name yeah it’s just a good name but yeah there’s an Amazon series we were referenced it last pod there’s an Amazon Series right now out called Silo it’s the first book of The Silo Series so we’re getting into it and then we’re gonna probably watch the shows too at least I’m gonna yeah I think so I think it’s a good idea pick it up we’ll bring that to you next everyone enjoy the fourth I think we’re releasing this on the fourth so yep yeah giddy up enjoy the fourth I’m excited for uh I’m excited for wool all right this is right up your alley so dystopian [ __ ] I love it it’s not [ __ ] it’s real life kid all right that’s it for Lionel Richard wardrobe by C.S Lewis we’ll catch you next time Keith enjoy the fourth YouTube all right bye now bye now [Music] [Applause] [Music]