Wrong Place Wrong Time – Gillian McAllister – Episode 63
It’s officially summer (for all our northern hemisphere listeners), so the Buddies are jumping into some beach reads. They kicked things off with Wrong Place Wrong Time by Gillian McAllister. The time jumping murder mystery thriller, had the Buddies discussing Instagram’s ‘for you’ section, interview questions, and how they would have made the book ending a lot darker. So don’t respond to that work email, read up on your physics, and jump into the Buddy Book Club time-loop as we read Wrong Place Wrong Time.
Intro: (0:00-2:20)
Stock Up/Down (2:21-26:15)
Favorite Character (26:16-26:58)
Love/Hate (26:59-39:39)
Listener Mail (39:40-41:30)
Casting the Movie (41:31-42:29)
Conclusion (42:30-45:00)
Next Book: THE LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE by C. S. LEWIS
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welcome buddy book club I’m Dylan here with the only man I’d want to travel through time with Keith what’s up buddy yeah right place right time d-man me and you uh every time uh that was your catchy line here I came up with that on the Flies yeah that’s pretty good good for you well here at the bunny book club we’re breaking down some best sellers and this week we’ll be discussing Wrong Place Wrong Time by Jillian McAllister Jillian Gillian not 100 but we’re going with Jillian if you like to recommend a book for us to read or reach out to us about how many past episodes you can visit our website buddybookclub.com or sign into our DMS on Twitter or Instagram buddy book club podcast you can list us on iTunes and Spotify or wherever you get podcasts so please download And subscribe I said Jillian just because I listened to an interview with the author and the only time the name was mentioned was at the beginning when the person who was interviewing her said Jillian he or she probably had no idea either they’re just like kind of like throwing it out there like Gillian the author didn’t correct them so I’m just gonna go with it but wrong place wrong time it’s about a woman who travels back in time to ensure her father doesn’t miss his date with the Grim Reaper accurate that’s that’s one way to put it did you have another way I think it’s just to go back in time and look in the mirror it was very vain with everything she backed up she’s like and then my phone was different it was like that was the biggest things that she’d like noticed she was like I looked younger and my phone was different the most important things when I go back in time oh and my dad I guess I can stay there that’s okay yeah or not I did think there was one somewhat profound thing that she said when she kept noticing how good looking she was in the past which was she kind of said she spent all that time seeing her imperfections I’m not attracted for this every other thing and then time which will get us all uh shows her that damn like she should have appreciated that when when she had it so but we’re we’re aging like fine wine so I mean if anything you know those insecurities when we were in the 20s were fine but you know now we’re perfect so it’s it’s fun I was in the best shape of my life in my mid-30s and now I’m later mid-30s and I got fatter again just so I can then get even better shape in my 40s that’s that’s what I’m doing too you can’t lose a lot of weight unless you put a lot of weight on so I mean that’s just smart really exactly yeah good point all right well let’s jump onto some stock up stock down Keith what do you have for stock up for wrong place wrong time stock up criminal meat cutes pardon me you know what a meat cute is right I have no idea what a meat cute is uh you don’t watch that rom-coms so a meat cute is basically to to a movie or book a story kiss can’t have some two who people meet like a regular meeting there has to be some bizarre circumstance so hitch is a perfect example of that the beginning of the movie those are all meat cute oh it’s creating them be cute yes exactly a story basically you tell people of how you met like so it’s so crazy my dog ran away and he found the dog and brought him back to me and that’s how he like that’s a meat cute and this it’s a criminal version of that so the only way really to meet your significant other is based on this book is you bump into them while it’s on some sort of criminal Escapade or looking into some sort of criminal activity so we have Kelly meeting Jen yeah when he’s going over to basically talk to her dad her dad ends being a criminal in this case oh my God that’s so cute how you guys met and and Cleo or Eve meets Todd when she comes over to like deliver a package for her from her Shady Uncle I think it is yeah so that’s the only way to meet someone and I mean I did the same thing I was committing some wire fraud and you know it’s like fraud on the side when I met my significant other how about you were you doing that or is it like things not gonna last uh well no there was no wire fraud I mean unfortunately she had already been divorced at the time but if it was a little earlier it could have been an illicit Affair kind of thing you know well that’s not Criminal Just morally wrong I guess you’re more for like putting things that are in the Bible into law is that you’re getting it right here the Ten Commandments yeah Ten Commandments should be law is what you’re saying and they should be criminal 100 okay all right yeah that’s fair I will covet anyone’s wife sir uh my first stock up was I mean this is a quick one easy simple let’s start off easy and simple but being King stock up yeah yeah you know uh they say the British Monarchy you know it’s just really like a a ceremonial title you know they don’t really have a lot of political power anymore so it might not be that cool you got to go to a lot of press conferences you know a lot of shaking babies and kissing hands kind of stuff but I guess in England all unclaimed property goes to the king that’s a pretty sweet deal in in America here the municipality will just hold on to it for you until someone claims it if your grandmother had some unclaimed property whoever owns her trust can just go and claim it like the state will just hold on to a certain amount of time before they take it though right I don’t think so I don’t think there’s a statue of limitations or whatever in the United States like you can go on to some websites people should all do this and see if you have any unclaimed property like I did that and someone said that to me I was like ah no way I have anything I had like 700 in a HSA I opened or whatever that was just sitting there at the state yeah 700 bucks right your pocket so yeah people check that out unfortunately if you live in the UK it just goes to the king so yeah along another king God it’s good to be king what’s the Lion King I just can’t wait to be just can’t wait to be king yeah because then you get all the unclaimed property the king and queen are just giant lost and founds yeah exactly they’re like the gym class except instead of like shitty sneakers it’s people’s hard-earned assets yeah that’s awesome yeah uh what else here for stock up thinking outside the box stock up I think this has been one that’s occurred in past episodes as well but why does it take uh a physicist to believe in time Loops is that what we’re left with here people can’t go outside any sort of box and think differently and this happens multiple times in the book Jen is literally predicting the future being like Oh we’ve been to this day like I’m in a Time Loop this is about to happen and then it happens they’re like you know what you seem stressed you seem like you you know need a break are you tired first of all you demon could be like hey Keith like today it’s gonna rain and if it did I’d be like holy [ __ ] you’re in a Time Loop I’d be mad right in I’d be jumping in ready to go I don’t need to be a physicist to believe in something and that’s why we read fantasy books that’s why we read these things we want to believe in things that are a little outside the box yeah these people what is their life that they can’t even imagine anything that’s happening that’s not irregular without being like you’re tired I just don’t care for it yeah I live a pretty pretty standard day-to-day life that I want something wild to happen so if someone come knocks on my door this would be great some Perfect Stranger can come knock on my door and be like I’m from the future I’ve seen this and that and I’d be like no [ __ ] way come in I’d be all in there’d be at least some follow-up questions right I think the examples are like your socks are this they’re crazy I’d be like holy [ __ ] yeah it seems like you’d be at least intrigued it’s a cool thing to follow along with even if they’re lying I’d be I’d play along someone would be like your childhood stuffed animal’s name was Teddy and I bet holy smokes hot did you know that That’s So Random yeah uh yeah and it also felt like it took Jen a while and she didn’t even prompt this it was the physicist who did but to to set up some sort of hey let’s get through all the [ __ ] like let’s cut through the [ __ ] at the beginning he eventually was like telling you know my imaginary friend when I was a kid’s name was Steve whatever [ __ ] was I don’t remember but you think at the beginning once he figured out the first time who she was that they would have set that up like Hey we’re gonna talk about this again so is there something is there a code I can tell you that’ll make this a lot easier and at the beginning obviously she had a lot of stress going on I get it but I would have been setting that up with everybody like tell me something you never told anyone before let’s cut through this next time I see you we’ll do this and I’ll I’ll have that I’ll have that ammunition card word I did enjoy the when she like took Kelly out to see that car accident yeah then he still didn’t break after that he’s like well he’s like that’s I guess that was a car accident yeah it’s like so is there anything secret you wanted to tell me that you know he’s like nope that’s everything in my life’s perfect we’re fine he could have disclosed it all right there to her right right then and there be like oh you’re in a Time Loop you’re going backwards well maybe this giant secret is probably the reason what I would have done is I would have been like actually I’m God I’m gonna tell you what’s gonna happen and if you don’t develop all of your secrets to me you will be internally like spited or going to hell and then then he’s gotta open up right because you you know the future you know what’s happening and like you just showed him evidence right not bad I also don’t get why she didn’t buy more lottery tickets I would have definitely been buying lottery tickets you’re not going to see it the next day so it doesn’t matter well maybe on the day when she changed everything you didn’t know what day it was going to be but yeah fair enough well there’s also tons of time Loops going off in different directions so yeah yeah yeah it was a Quantum time Loop situation yeah on a similar fan I guess my stock up is the butterfly effect so not the movie with Ashton Kutcher although it is a it is a good movie I don’t remember it I just remember it being a good it’s a mind [ __ ] yeah yeah I like those movies so it’s always made out the butterfly effect itself it’s always made out to seem like something you should be hyper aware of if you go back in time one small change can have catastrophic events in the future for those that are unaware the idea is like you know a butterfly flaps its wings in Brazil then there’s a monsoon and there’s enough whatever something happens across the world it turns out though that the butterfly effect it’s just not that bad Jen decides at the end of the book to save this baby baby Eve without much of a second thought you know she just is like today’s the day that Eve gets kidnapped I’m going in I’m gonna talk to Ryan I’m going to tell them that this Baby’s gonna get kidnapped you would think that would have some wrinkles that would Cascade through time it turns out it’s not a big deal she still ends up with Kelly slash Ryan they still have Todd which is pretty wild all the situations would have to be exactly the same for you to have the exact same baby in my mind it was a criminal meat cute by the way so just keep it on mine that was a third one I didn’t think about that oh okay yeah yeah they re meat cute but it was around something criminal so it still worked not a ton of questions from his supervisors about how she knew he knows this Baby’s gonna get kidnapped her or anything like that I feel like there would have been a follow-up but literally nothing changes except that the baby was saved so I think the bottom line is whenever someone brings up time travel or whatever like oh you know don’t go back and kill Baby Hitler because it’ll change everything it’ll really just change nothing World War II won’t happen you’ll still be here everything’s gonna be exactly the same so don’t worry about how things will shake out go kill Baby Hitler all right hot take all right I like it I was thinking you’re gonna use something a little bit less impactful but all right is that usually what people say when they think about traveling through time well that’s more like the moral question would you ever go back and kill something evil even if it’s a child I mean yeah sure wait till Hitler’s in a world war one trench and ban at him whatever the case oh yeah that’s that’s that’s more moral yeah good point yeah or just like wait till he’s an art school and then just like really berate him so that he’s gonna be like that’s a really good painting you should pursue wow yeah I think that was in Family Guy all right let’s get into Stockton what do you get for stuck down my two stock towns are kind of similar the first one is the five F’s docked down on those okay I’m not familiar I try to look it up I thought this was well known or maybe it’s the four F’s but remember the four or five apps to to talk to people about that you have if you’ve just first meeting meeting them I never use them but it’s friends and family firsts fun from like where you’re from and favorites those are like the things you’re supposed to go up when you like meet someone sorry sorry say that again friends family from from where you’re from where yeah first so like oh is this the first time you’ve I’m not really sure the first the first one seems a little bit harder fun so we need it for fun and then favorites too so why are friends and family tucked into one I don’t know why those are in one they should be six hours yeah there should be six F’s anyways I would never use them but I think it’s a good conversation out here but Kelly he doesn’t have any of these he doesn’t have any friends or family no no no no first so I don’t they’re the only thing Kelly has is witty banter apparently like that’s yeah what are they talking about I don’t understand the first time I meet we’re in this long conversation what were they talking about that’s why I didn’t understand he can’t talk about any of these things you can’t talk about any fun he does he does I don’t even know like any opinions of his like what what does he do they also say like stupid people talk about other people normal people talk about things and smart people talk about ideas yeah some ideas I like it’s like stupid people talk about other people in what way like gossip yeah like you just sit around and chat about other people normal people talk about things like what’s going on stuff like that and smart people talk about ideas and I’m sure I’m butchering that quote isn’t that like uh when you’re on cocaine you do that a lot too I’m sure I’m sure there’s lots of drugs that psilocybin stuff like that I’m sure you just talk about ideas and stuff like that so but hey it opens Pathways in your brain legal in Colorado you’re going there so you let me know sidebar on Instagram I don’t know why I put this profile but I get inundated with cocaine memes and Gifts they’re like when the guy pulls out like the baggie at the end of a party and I’m like I’m like what does this mean I don’t know it’s like I’m like all these memes and they’re all cocaine related and I’m like why am I here
I have no idea that’s like when I went to Cabo I wear the group of friends no not one of them like someone came up and asked them they were on drugs I had like 10 people be like hey you are you looking for cocaine I’m like what I don’t see I’m a big nose they’re like this guy yep that is that’s so funny I think you have a Kelly Ryan type situation Mike you’re Alter Ego or whatever is a huge cokehead it’s as simple as that and you’re pretending to be Keith that and then and then I have like Taylor Swift memes yeah it’s weird yeah I’ve actually always thought it’d be fun at a social event or whatever to use the five F’s no even better the the eyes you everyone passes around their Instagram page and people just look at your your explore feed and you try yeah you try to guess who’s Explorer feed you’re looking at I like that yeah I feel like mine would be pretty straightforward it’s like pickleball and cooking stuff so pretty pretty easy but you’d find out like the one nerdy person is like all about like big booty hoes or something like that I would love it uh well uh that was an interesting sidebar uh my first talk down is writing work emails I mean especially when you’re in a stuck in a Time Loop but what’s the point and Caroline actually pointed this out she also read the book she was like I don’t understand why she keeps writing these work emails she’s going backwards in time like it’s honestly not gonna matter the future her is going to do it you’re gonna have to write them anyways I mean like who cares so just don’t write it I understand like wanting to maybe like take yourself out of the situation for a minute but go watch an episode of Seinfeld or something you don’t have to start writing work emails also in real life half the time I write work emails I think I’m in a Time Loop because most people don’t even read them and they end up asking the same questions that I’ve already answered so all of it just doesn’t make any sense point is just don’t write work emails when people email you just just don’t email them back simple as that and if they and if they end up getting to too far and they’re like what the [ __ ] you’ve never respond to me be like I’m sorry I was in a Time loop I thought future me was gonna do this I’ve been going backwards in time my bad I’ll take a look now simple yeah that was my first note I would like I’d be kind of awesome just having to call in sick every day to work and not have to worry about it for the like the remaining of the time Loop right you wouldn’t have to worry about any work do any like responsibilities because it’s not gonna matter yeah 100 I completely agree we’ve talked about this before but 90 of things I do I have to say to myself well that’s future Keys problem not my problem you know like I have to present Keith and future Keith and future Keith I [ __ ] him [ __ ] that guy you know yeah unprotective sex got you uh what else did you have for Stockton stock down preparing for interviews this kind of ties into your last episodes mistborn now the final book there you had a stock town for planning but when you go to an interview the first thing they asked you is like where do you see yourself in five years right Kelly’s answer was keeping a fraudulent undercover name not making any friends not ever sharing anything personal not make making a difference even though I became a cop to make a difference I’m gonna not do [ __ ] and then having absolutely nothing planned for 15 years later when the guy 20 yeah 20 or 15 years without five years I’m talking about okay 20 years later total gets out of prison what was he doing this whole time why what was the point of keeping this name he had nothing planned other than to get a son involved in it yeah what what are you doing this whole time it was like ruined from the last uh that’s exactly right that’s what I was really had a thousand years and Kelly had 20 years to put together some semblance of a plan but he was like you know what I actually have no idea how to be a painter decorator so I’m gonna spend 20 years uh honing my craft because I totally lied to this woman that I know how to paint and she’s gonna say oh honey like there’s all these holes in the walls this new house like can you paint the wall and if it looks like [ __ ] then it’s gonna be a bad look so I gotta learn how to paint so maybe that’s what he was doing the whole time just becoming a professional painter decorator is that another British thing painter decorator what’s the word for here painter just you paint what are people that like build stuff called Carpenter yeah Carpenter yeah Carpenter’s a woodworker though I dream Carpenters also throw some paint on there if they need to yeah I mean sure they’ll paint some wood but Carpenter means you work with wood I mean just ask Jesus and go back in time and ask him you don’t think Jesus picked up a paintbrush once in a while Sistine Chapel’s kid he helped with that 16 chapels he was all over those yeah I said her right I learned that recently I always thought it was 16. I’ll be honest did you really that’s funny oh yeah I was joking I was like that’s a total key thing but that’s amazing I learned that like three years ago I’d love you to show up in Italy and be like all right this was cool where are the other where the other 15. they’re like huh sir you were just on a tour for four hours that was your accent I thought you could say 16. my next talk down is being a supportive parent just don’t do it people just don’t do it Jen’s dad pays for her uni and pays for her training so that she can become a successful lawyer and how does she repay him she decides to not use her Newfound power superpowers really super problem Powers they’re super powers and she just lets him die even though she finds out that there’s a way to save him she’s like oh there’s this new therapy this is around or there’s this new like way we can deal with this this was around in the past all I have to do is pick up the phone and say hey Dad you might want to look into this simple as that they even steal a Harry Potter line as she’s like figuring out the day that Eve is captured or whatever she says oh my God I might be able to save two lives on this day which is what they say in Harry Potter book three Dumbledore says it to Hermione and Harry before they use their own Time Turner to go back in time and save Syria’s and a hippogriff unfortunately she just goes nah you know what doing this whole baby thing is changing enough already throwing a phone call to my dad would just be way too far you know that’s just way too much I couldn’t possibly do that she’s like I’m gonna go in tell my future husband and his boss who will probably think I’m a criminal that I know what these criminals are going to do I’m gonna do that to save this baby I I don’t know about but yeah I’m not gonna call my dad and let him know that hey you might be sick in the future and you should look into this wild to me on top of that Ryan just disappears off the map once he falls in love with Jen his mom the only connection she has is her son because her other son died and he says nope I’m gonna leave my mom to take care of herself after he falls in love with Jen after like a half dozen dates she’s like nope I’m not gonna even touch base with her for the next 20 years I’m gonna spend no time planning for what happens when Joseph comes out and I’m gonna just bury my mom in my mind until she eventually dies so if you’re a supportive parent be wary be wary here because if your child’s in a Time Loop they will not save you she kept on being like the rules I have to follow the rules I’m like of what yeah it usually sound like Arbiter or some person that’s like telling you why you’re going through this like The Nightmare Before Christmas the Night Before Christmas what’s the thing the three Christmases thing [ __ ] Christmas pass Christmas whatever there’s usually like a person there yeah yeah you got basil Expedition Exposition going on you know yeah exactly but then also to add to your point Jen and Kelly just [ __ ] on their son constantly they’re like what a [ __ ] nerd we raise losers sucks he’s just a smart kid that I didn’t understand that they’re like it’s so weird that we raised such a like a weirdo like he’s just interested in something that you’re not interested in why does that make him weird like it doesn’t make any sense to me what 100 oh I can’t understand this science stuff I’m just gonna ignore him what yeah this stuff’s way over my head you’re such a loser what a piece of [ __ ] Sun we have it’s like oh classic Dad you’re a decorator what the [ __ ] are you talking about and then she reads first of all your son’s showing you the text that he’s sending to his girlfriend yikes Big Time yikes and then you’re like what a pathetic loser this kid is oh Jesus Christ this I would dump this kid a little nerd shaming guy on it at the at the front of this eventually she was like wow I see that he has these abilities and it’s wonderful but it’s like what like he just was into science you know what I mean it wasn’t he wasn’t into furries or something like that right and you had to then like go to a Furry Convention to like understand that it’s not so weird it was like he just likes science which is a thing like heard of it one of the major studies yeah like I’m sorry that your child makes you feel stupid but don’t shame him for that team tot team Todd team time which we’ll get into shortly because my last stock down is me me Dylan I am stalked down okay I like to think of myself as a moderately intelligent human being let’s say I’m above the the 50 but not far above that’s how I like to think of myself but I didn’t see any of these twists coming honestly I I really I think I’m somewhat of a Dullard because originally when I read it I was like oh okay these are just good twists whatever the case is and then me and the wife here were on a long drive recently and she goes oh do you mind if I finish the audiobook because I had already finished it I was like no no problem at all and she had like an hour and a half left so we’re listening to it and the second they mention baby Eve in the past Caroline’s like oh is that Chloe is that his girlfriend in the future and I was like Mother Hubbard they they’re barely even mentioned it so she was all over it I was not I felt a lot of internal sadness in my own intellect because I didn’t see it coming so can you help me out and tell me that you also oh I didn’t I didn’t know that twist happened until Ellie told me the same thing I was like oh that’s who that was I didn’t so yeah I’m glad you you brought that up but I have a few questions on that one Chloe is supposed to be the same age as Todd right I think she’s 18. sorry I kept saying yeah sorry all right whatever it’s the same difference yeah Eve is abducted as a as a child before they didn’t meet so she’s born so there’s gonna be at least a year to two years difference so I don’t really understand how they’re the same age yeah did they say they raise it no well they said she’s 18. I mean they’re in the same high school maybe maybe in high school she lives in uh okay so he’s dating an older woman who’s raising wow yeah and then she was talking about how hot she is all the time I’m like all right yeah okay um let me zoom in who who raises her I don’t understand that yeah and if you’re gonna go away for 20 years couldn’t you just be like oh wow the baby got returned so now I’m out of prison I don’t understand like he’s getting going away for 20 years for kidnapping right also it’s a baby it can’t point you out in a lineup like you just leave it at a police station or a fire station Blockbuster was around put it in the return video slot like it honestly it’s a baby put it wherever anyone’s doorstep who raised the baby no that wasn’t explained his random friend who then she called her uncle but it’s not Joe isn’t that who that was no it was some other guy at the beginning yeah the names in this were very confusing to me yeah Kelly by the way for the first like five chapters I’m like who is this chick Kelly they keep on talking about I didn’t know it I was like who’s Kelly yeah it all it honestly made no sense that they kept the baby like it it really it’s a baby I think that was a Twist that they put in there that I think that was supposed to be that the baby died and then she’s like you know what let’s throw this in there and the baby lived and that’s who he’s dating but it does soul mates you know I guess they they all still stay together at the end like they’re all soulmates let’s just say you copped when you’re like hey I stole a car I found a baby in the back seat will you take it I’d say yeah I’ll take it to a police station and drop it off because it’s a baby like who wants to care for this baby that was abducted it’s just not gonna what’s happening Gone in 60 Seconds where they uh steal a car and it has tons of the drugs in the back and they’re like go return the car we don’t want this [ __ ] that’s what you do simple right yeah exactly Nick Cage I mean come on Nick Cage knows pick your character I’m going for Todd here I mean team Todd good sense of humor likes to play video games super smart willing to stab a convict who just spent 20 hard years behind bars to save his family what else do you need the guy’s got it open her time Loops too he he was ready for the time Loop questions he was like oh yeah this is what I do it’s obvious yeah but you haven’t done any of that stuff mom yeah who’s the loser now team Todd for me I was the the physicist he was basically the he was basil Exposition yeah for sure and I like that he had like he was like a Texan or something at least in the way the uh the voice actor did him it’s like a southern it was an American American accent or something yeah yeah love to see that yeah USA USA all right what do we love about Rock Place Wrong Time oh I I meant to put this in the interview prepping for interviews but Kelly also had an interview and the reason why she liked him is that his greatest weakness is office Donuts which let’s be let’s be honest that’s a phenomenal answer a home run answer the reason she liked Kelly is he said he once took an interview and they said what’s your weakness and he said office Donuts which is just a great answer yeah what a phenomenal answer nice what would you you’ve interviewed people what’s like what are you looking for for an answer there I’d be fine with something quippy we started watching Suits did you watch suits yeah it kind of falls off the end I really liked it the other one yeah I’m sure it does and it is I don’t watch a ton of like that type of TV show goes on for season season it’s like episodic kind of thing but we just kind of needed something to to watch and it was there and it’s popular and I’ve heard people talk about it so I was like yeah sure we’ll give it a shot and I like that the lawyer was looking for someone that at the beginning just like says something super different in an interview it doesn’t really matter and anything crazy if I interviewed someone and I said what’s your weakness and they came up with something that was intelligent in a quippy way I would be all for it I would hope that they would then follow up with something that applied to the job they just said office Donuts be like oh all right well uh cool I like the answer I mean that’s there must be me and you but I think 95 of people their resume says they’re qualified you don’t know if they’re qualified maybe they are but if they they’re like someone you would want to hang out with what matters the most couldn’t agree couldn’t agree more I mean most of the people that I hire are like out of college or like young people for right right intro jobs in these follow-ups with other people that interview them they’re like I don’t know if they have a proficient enough skill in this department like they’re 22 years old like who cares right you can learn they’re willing to learn and they seem like a good hang that’s that’s good enough for me you know yeah I’m gonna have to banter with this person especially when you’re in the office like back in those days I’d be like I have to actually sit next to this person like they better be chill otherwise is when we’re [ __ ] yeah but that was one of my loves the other um bladder I pee every 30 minutes all right not bad
I forgot I’m glad you mentioned this I also think 9-1-1 i i a lot of times I’m like is it 991 or 9-1-1 I mean that’s just me or am I the idiot okay tell me Todd anyways someone’s breaking into your house like nine call 991 it sounds right yeah that sounds right why why do they why 9-1-1 why not 999 it’s so much easier much easier well I have to spend the extra time to cross over the entire keyboard or your keypad I don’t care for it yeah it doesn’t make any sense that was your love was 999 I respect I respect that yeah uh well my love is books heard of them audiobook regular book doesn’t matter because for this story wrong place wrong time you just can’t do this story without it being a book because it is heavily reliant on you not being able to see the characters with your eyes that’s why it works if you like this was a movie the first time you saw Ryan you’d be like oh Kelly he’s right got it what’s next you know oh Chloe’s Eve right at the end perfect got it totally so it’s it’s an interesting thing that you can do with books that you can’t do with movies well I mean you know you don’t get the reveal until the end anyways with Chloe so I don’t think that matters Chloe matters last Cleo Cleo Cleo we’ll keep on saying the name wrong that’s that’s a meme move what are you doing kid Cleo is like Miss Cleo that’s the only Clio I know well what else did you love I mean I like time element books but that was mine too yeah or movies anything you have to keep track of anytime you’re like trying to solve a mystery with like time involved shouts to Nolan you know Christopher Nolan because I wouldn’t really include Memento the story is told in a different time but it doesn’t really have like a time element you know I’m thinking more of uh Edge of Tomorrow pretty much all those books are all of Christopher Nolan’s movies are times oh yeah tennis tenant was super time but Edge of Tomorrow that Tom Cruise movie AKA live diary a great good movie uh Looper Bruce Willis movie although we don’t talk about that director who is it Star Wars director and Ryan Johnson or whatever and he did the second Glass Onion oh yeah yeah Back to the Future too Groundhog Day well yeah I I just I love time as a plot device like time situations I think that the ones I listed did it pretty well I think it can be done poorly oh how did I forget time cop for Jean-Claude Van Damme that’s a fun album I’ve never seen you ever seen dime cop oh go back and watch that on it that’s a great shitty Sunday movie I did see Jean-Claude Von down on the streets in LA and I walked by him and I said holy [ __ ] that’s John Claude Van Damme and the sgf didn’t know who he was and I was like what yeah I was like geez that’s Christ that’s what are we doing Bloodsport what sudden death I remember watching as well as I was young being like this is the peak of movies getting big yeah and then if I watch them now I’d be like Jesus Christ this is the worst movie I’ve ever seen no no Bloodsport is is still checks out I mean there’s two splits like two epic splits that happen in that in that movie and it’s just the kumate it just it’s an amazing I premised you know there’s this underground martial arts battle that happens in the middle of Asia like crazy awesome good for him okay hey what do you got the first night that we meet Joe Joseph all right he goes by Joseph whatever Joseph they specifically say that Kelly is wired he’s like I wired up and on the first meeting he’s like Hey listen if you turn me in I’m gonna come back and get you when I get out of prison I’m gonna [ __ ] you up and they Shake on it and they say me too wouldn’t that be enough evidence right there for the police to like relocate him and help him out and change it it’s like no that’s like the whole you said it they shook hands the handshake wasn’t on the audio so it doesn’t count yeah no it’s so stupid it’s a fine line with me bring this up but it did have the last thing he told me Vibes where the the logistic and Logics of some of the like specifically Kelly of what he was doing made zero sense like just no sense like there’s a thousand things I would do before lying for 20 years to my wife about my undercover and not having friends like I already brought it up but like all these things you have to do to cover up a small lie that could be solved by a numerous things you know it’s just I don’t know just really bugged me I was on my list too I also was just wasn’t a big fan of his thought process assuming this fake identity for the rest of his life witness protection like you said seems like a pretty easy one I know that they’re gonna be like oh so you would have to turn in her dad and like she would you’d have to like tell her that you met under false pretenses or whatever the case was and hope that yeah you know it would work out but the alternative which is pretending you’re a painter decorator with this fake name that you can’t travel anywhere you can’t do anything you can’t have friends you can’t see your mom like it all I mean even in witness protection you couldn’t either but you know that seems to make more sense or just simply tell Jen who you are Say Hey I was actually investigating I did your data solid by getting him out of this right but we now have to hit the road like we gotta move yeah move yeah just move it’s as simple as that you just move and and like you said Joseph still comes back for him anyways it doesn’t it doesn’t matter you know whether he’s Kelly or Ryan he knows about Jen so he could just go to the law office Joseph can just go to The Lofts whenever he wants so it seemed like Kelly’s plan was once he got out to like pretend he’s still in and then get Nicola to arrest him again in the future but a lot of that just made sense because Joseph would be like all right cool what have you been doing for the past 20 years she’s like uh I’ve been assuming this painter decorator waiting for you to come out so we can start our criminal Enterprise again it seems like there was lots of ways for him to get out of that and I know it it obviously [ __ ] with The Narrative of the whole thing but just didn’t seem super thought out the big thing the whole story is around Todd stabbing Joseph I still don’t understand why I did it it doesn’t I know Todd was looped in and told hey you got to stop dating her because back in the day I’m gonna tell you all these things that yeah I was a cop this happened why was Joseph outside their house that night why did Todd just take it upon himself to stat like what was the reasoning there there’s no there’s no lead up to that we know wasn’t it Angela was that her name yeah we know she got beat up is that we’re assuming that she I didn’t really beat up or murdered or whatever you got like injured or something I just don’t understand like what was the lead up here and why is Todd stabbing her and then why is Todd like I’m not talking to anyone I’m not doing it it’s like what why would any why would you do that either I thought that was supposed to be a nerd let’s be smart like what are you doing it also seemed like the way it played out with tops Todd stabbing the guy was probably fine like I I honestly don’t think self-defense yeah I honestly don’t think granted he like walked up to him and stabbed him it but like she can rework that she’s a lawyer but he might have gone to jail but like it wouldn’t be for that long there was this Criminal Who came out and he was saying he was gonna like come after her mom and her dad or excuse me his mom and and his dad and he just did what he thought he could do to save his family like it’s gonna probably would play okay in court unless the judge was like oh you like science you’re a loser 20 years to life loser yeah and when they showed the police station wouldn’t they be like oh Ryan what are you doing here yeah yeah so yeah it’s been so long Ryan what are you doing here oh I assumed this fake identity and never moved yeah yeah like no cop sees him in the street and it’s just like yo Ryan what’s going on yeah it doesn’t make any sense I thought it was a little too clean of a finish for me because you know we’re talking about time travel with big changes needing to happen for you to like quote unquote save your son there just has to be some backlash it worked out so perfectly with him now dating Eve who was Cleo and her and Ryan now living this happy life with Todd it was you know obviously her dad died but that’s how she wanted it so it was just a little too clean with all of the moving pieces it all works out for your family I get it but you come back into the now after saving Eve and Joseph is the prime minister of the UK and has declared like nuclear war on Russia like what the [ __ ] like yeah that’s a Black Mirror type shirt yeah exactly saved my family but but what the [ __ ] I mean even if it works out like it did we’re presuming that Ryan now has been in has been a deep undercut cover police officer for 20 years so so he’s seen some [ __ ] he’s had his Donnie Brasco moment understandably there could be some marital issues you know maybe she comes back and it’s like oh Ryan’s hit the bottle hard because he was with the Hell’s Angels biker gang or whatever I like this he’s addicted to the crystal meth or something that yeah Todd’s okay Ryan’s had some bad stuff he can’t stop painting decorating and he doesn’t know why but yeah it just just something else it was also just a little weird to me Cleo is a meth addict because her mom’s actually like Gone Baby Gone yeah now we’re talking but she even says in this new world that she’s created that Joseph gets off right he’s not he they never catch him well we saved the baby but we never catch the criminal It’s Gone in 60 Seconds he’s stealing cars who cares that’s not even like a big I guess he’s on drugs too well that’s what they said that she’s like whatever criminals are gonna criminal you know people are gonna steal cars people are gonna sell drugs whatever the case is so Ryan should never become a cop then yeah yeah how about instead Joseph is like she looks in the paper and it finds out that Joseph had like murdered a bunch of people you know it’s like [ __ ] like yeah that you know maybe my family yeah some moral dilemmas yeah that happened so it was a little too clean and too too dice for me a little too briefs Witherspoon book club for me Joseph uh found God and became actually a preacher right right after this it was weird I don’t know how that works cult became the next Jonestown okay we got some listener mail what do we got You’ve got mail this is from Marie Southern California I loved how Jen deeply appreciated her husband’s juicy backside this is for the female listeners hold on I’m interested go on I’d like to think it was a crucial strategically placed characteristic there’s a lot of big words there the author used to foreshadow Kylie Ryan’s true character do the Buddies agree that your partner’s juicy assets can be a light in dark times or that they can be marked for a great personality good question our partners juicy backsides can do what for light and dark types that your partner’s juicy assets can be a light in a dark can be light in a dark times or that they can be a mark for a great personality yeah that’s what Galadriel gave Frodo in Lord of the Rings she said here’s this juicy ass nerd so it can be a light for you in a dark time he’s like oh she loves Larry he’s just showing my wife’s ass I appreciate it no I’m hey it’s always a light for me in a dark or light time and I’m talking middle of the winter No Tan just show me that white yeah I’m down for it all I don’t I’m I’m into it what are we talking about what are we talking about again I don’t I would never objectify a woman that’s that’s I wouldn’t do it no this is appreciative of the of the appreciative of the body and brain yeah well obviously you do but I think Jen was the whole time because she she married a deer that’s zero personality zero friends zero background zero history but he had a nice ass so Hey listen that’s what she was into I don’t hate it don’t hate the player I hate the game you know what I mean that’s the other thing kept asking him to like paint stuff around the house so he’d get on the stepladder and she could see his butt and he was just getting on the stepladder I don’t know what I’m doing I have no idea how to fill this whole life no idea what’s going on she said oh he knows how to fill the hole trust me I think Todd came along
uh do you have anyone to cast for this one I want some All-Stars here for the casting I casted one person for Kelly slash Ryan Jen Emily Blunt run it runner back okay girl on the train slash so Tom Cruise one you just mentioned Live Die Repeat Kelly uh Charlie Hunnam you know I do know looks like a painter but also is like an undercover cop I had Jeffrey Dean Morgan for him Jeffrey Dean Morgan he was in like the second half of the uh portion of the Walking Dead stuff oh yes okay yep yeah I just had he had that dark enhancer yeah exactly tall dark and handsome yeah Gruff he’s got a great ass honestly so that was a big thing that’s that’s the most important thing you know really that’s that’s all we’re looking for for the cast good call on that so does Charlie Hunnam I mean what the only casting that really mattered for Joseph Vinnie Jones all right oh yeah yeah of course guy Richie movies yeah I’ve been quoting Gone in 60 seconds so I mean you know you know I was gonna put pull something out like that all right Keith uh wrong place wrong time Jillian McAllister would you recommend this to our listeners I wouldn’t I think if you’re looking for this type of book I would go I would first recommend silent patient I think that was much more gripping and much more like the whole time tense it never like hooked me the saying that that one did yeah and then if you’re looking for a good time travel book dark matter I think is better than this one as well there’s two books that are better that do the same thing so I would recommend those two first yeah I think I didn’t I don’t even think about it and didn’t compare it to like past books we’ve read which is absurd considering we’ve read like 50. but yeah no I think dark matter is definitely a better like exciting time travel summer read like that’s also a summer read you know like almost a beach read so I would say that we haven’t read the Midnight Library which is also from what I understand like somewhat of a time travel thing and people love that book so I think we should add that to the list but yeah and I don’t think I liked silent patient as much as you did I think I’ve taught five for me oh [ __ ] yeah okay so yeah you you really liked it I do think though that like the twists were a little more interesting in that one these ones you know I wasn’t when the twist happened I was like oh [ __ ] that was cool it was just like all right okay did that make sense I guess you know but at the same time I wouldn’t say like I wouldn’t recommend it it’s it’s a quick book it’s like 11 hours that’s fair audiobook it’s a I think this would be a pretty easy be treat if you were going away for a weekend you could take this book and at the end of the book feel like oh okay that was exactly what I expected it’s a middle reliever kind of situation yeah yeah good good analogy so yeah I’ll take I’ll take it as that do we know we have coming out next oh we’re gonna we’re gonna do some some C.S Lewis right oh yeah The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe the original first book or I guess book two but it’s the original uh book so we’re doing uh yeah that’s a quick read should be good to go in that soon yeah lion with some wardrobe We’re not gonna do the series that’s for sure but um you know it’s a classic so we haven’t read a lot of Classics lately so we we need to I feel like we need to get get back into that it helps that it’s quick read so we can keep going with more content so uh coming up next mile ocean wardrobe get it at your local library I’m sure they have a copy do not be ashamed of being an adult and going into the child section to get lion witch’s wardrobe and then after that we’re gonna read uh wool which is now a apple Series so if you’re about to start the show don’t get the book listen to us instead we’ll have those coming out pretty soon all right good combo glad we did it and we’ll catch everyone next time